Posted on 10/15/2012 8:05:21 AM PDT by MuttTheHoople
Choice of Presidential ticket: Obama/Biden vs. Romney/Ryan
Date Obama/Biden Romney/Ryan Johnson/Gray
Oct. 15, 2012 42 55 3
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Multiple different and historically reliable polls are showing this race to be close. Some Freepers are deluding themselves that it is otherwise and that most of America thinks like they do. No, only about 35-40% think like we do. Forty-five percent are lunatic white and Asian leftists, unionists, blacks, Hispanics, homosexuals and slackers who never will vote for a Republican. We start from behind and he have to work harder to win. Go out and vote! This will be CLOSE.
Now, I would love to see that; but, I am a pessimist at heart and I know that a good portion of the American public simply do not think very well, and they will vote for Obama.
Lately, however, I have been becoming a little more optimistic and think that hubby may have been correct. Here's hope'n that he is correct and our "long national nightmare" will soon be over.
Don’t see any way Mitt gets to 350, but 320 is a very outside shot.
OK, everybody - vote:
Poll-Free Republic: 1 (ken5050) Free Republic: 1 (Izzy Dunne)
I would would like some polling volunteers, as I would like to conduct a poll on the probable outcome of this vote.
I remember when I heard that Obama really "hated" Mitt Romney. I couldn't really understand why, as I don't think they have had much contact with one another. Then, it dawned on me. Obama's tactic for winning elections has always centered on digging up dirt on his opponent and pushing it out there with the help of the media. Well, Mitt Romeny doesn't really have "dirt" on him. He is a Mormon. He is boring. And, I think this really ticks off the 'O' because he loses his "edge" against someone who has lived an exemplary life.
Ol' Herb didn't get hardly no votes in 1938.
Obama had no chance of re-election.
You cannot have real unemployment at 15% for 4 years and think its going to be close, this was all a dillusion created by his accomplices in the MSM.
Once Romney was able to be seen first hand without filter, and Obama was seen without teleprompter or post editing, which is what happened in the debate in Colorado Obama was done. He was done long before that, but in 90 minutes Romney countered 4+ years of manufactured nonsense and billions of dollars of Propoganda.. and he did it by simply showing up.
Obama never had a prayer for re-election. Obama rode to the white house on a combination of Anti-Clinton sentiment among democrats, and anti-Bush/Bush Fatique among the general population. Obama didn’t win the election because he was OBAMA, he won because he was the non Bush. Now he is up for re-election and he cant just say hope and change and attack an incumbent and say anything witn no record to back it up... he has to own what he has done, and he can’t do that because what he has done has been abject failure.
The election is, was and always will be a referendum on Obama and that is a vote he never had a prayer of winning.
He can’t get re-elected in any way other than BEING OBAMA, and the fact is OBAMA doesn’t sell... never did. He thought it did, because he’s an arrogant fool.. but no one ever supported Obama because he was Obama.. how could they? he had no record, and nothing to give them reason to support him.. he never built consensus in his life, never accomplished anything in the face of adversity.. He’s just took advantage of an opportunity, nothing more. Then he wasted that opportunity by pushing what he wanted, not what was needed, and only did that by thuggery and complete control of the congress.. once his party lost control he accomplished NOTHING, because he has no idea how to lead or how to govern.. Watching this buffoon and yes he is a complete buffoon trying to engage in politics is like trying to watch a fish ride a bicycle. Never has there been ANYONE to be so far above their abilities in US Politics in the history of this nation... and in less than a month, he’ll know he’s done and will likely try to push through crap before he is retired in January to Hawaii.
His legacy is one of EPIC FAILURE. The likes of which the US has NEVER seen in politics. Someone unfit to be elected Dog Catcher was put in the White House, and we will have to deal with the consequences of that for at least 2 decades.
Hoover got 39.something percent of the popular vote, and I don’t know if it was the worst schelacking of an incumbent president in US history, it is certainly a feat that hasn’t been duplicated since. In fact incumbents losing re-election bids are very rare in the modern era.. Obama however truly could face a drubbing as bad if not worse than Hoovers.
I think Obama probably won’t end up as bad as Hoover, but its certainly possible. I do think that he has an absolute MAX on his best day of no more than 42-43% of the vote.
Hoover ran in 1928 and 1932. There was no presidential election in 1938.
Can you be sure that Big Ears won’t have the questions leaked to him? Don’t discount it.
It was a typo.. Clearly I was discussing Hoover in 1932
Agreed. I’m thinking Romney 55 Obama 45
It DOESN’T matter if Obama has the questions leaked.. the guy is done.. Its been obvious in every poll conducted that the electorate has written this guy off. This happened LONG before the election cycle began.
All they needed to know was the guy they were going to replace him with wasn’t worse than the guy they want to replace. Obama and his minions spent hundreds of millions of dollars to try to convince the electorate that Romney was worse than he was... and inside of a few minutes of unedited live side by side, the electorate decided, yep, this guy is fine.
Obama can’t recork the bottle, the genie is out, even if Obama “wins” the debate this week, he’s not going to see a momentum change out of it. He’s been a dead man walking since before the cycle began.
Now I have no doubt Obama will do better this week than last time, because its a simpler format, there isn’t supposed to be follow up questioning and he can just smile and say whatever he wants and we all know the audience will be overwhelmingly liberal and planted.
However even on his best day Obama is a LOUSY speaker.. he’s a great READER, but a horrible speaker. Go look at his debates 4 years ago.. he sucked, the problem was McCain wasn’t very good either. So you have 2 low to average people speaking and there is an overall momentum against the incumbent party, the challenger wins by default.
Now what is most likely to happen this debate and the next one, particularly if the momentum keeps going more and more Romney is that Obama will do like Biden and completely overplay is “agressive” hand and turn off more voters than he attracts. He may fire up his base, but will turn off far more of the independents than he’s already managed to piss off.
Now the press is reporting Obama is going to go for the jugular on Bain capital.. now I don’t know if this is true or misinformation, but given how poorly this topic did for him with his attack ads, do you really think its going to play outside his base in the debate??? He spent over 100 Million dollars trying to use that to destroy Romney and in the end it did nothing. If Obama goes there, and decides to go agressive and hard there, he’s only going to play to votes he’s already gotten.. It will have the same outcome as Biden.. more people net will move to Romney than to him.
Romney is not going to fall apart no matter what happens, he’s too smart and dedicated. Obama is relatively intelligent but incredibly lazy. Romney is very intelligent and has a WORK ETHIC. Obama will not best him.
I am sure Obama thinks he will, but of course this is the same guy who thought he won the first debate too.
I don’t expect this debate to do much if anything other than perhaps fire up the democratic base, but if you are still pandering to your base 3 weeks before election day, you are beyond a lost cause. Also in pandering to your base, you are going to likely turn off even more voters than you attract. Obama cannot win, he can’t run on his record, so all he can do is attempt to attack, and the attacks he’s using are ones that have had ZERO impact in the polls. 47 Percent did get a little needle movement, but not anything that’s going to shift the race if its repeated 200 times in 90 minutes.
My predictions re the town hall:
1) Fewer people will watch than the first one... The electorate made up its mind.. So Obama having a chance to turn the tide is reduced out of the gate no matter how well he does.
2) Obama will try to be more agressive and likely overplay it.
3) Press will proclaim Obama winner no matter what actually happens, because they want Obama to be in this race, and reality is he’s not and never was.
4) Democratic hard left base will get fired up, but overall momentum will not change.
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