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GM's Fuel Cell Plant Closes in Upstate NY (shocker!)
Politics on the Hudson ^ | 10/5/2012 | Joseph Spector

Posted on 10/16/2012 3:49:17 AM PDT by AbolishCSEU

The upstate economy took another significant blow today as General Motors announced it will close its fuel cell plant in Honeoye Falls, just south of Rochester.

The decision means the 220 salaried employees who worked in the research and development facility won’t be employed in the area. The company said most of the employees will be offered the opportunity to transfer to the Global Powertrain Engineering Headquarters in Pontiac, Mich., the Democrat and Chronicle reports.

“This decision has significant business advantages for the company,”said Kim Carpenter, GM spokeswoman.

“For example, it will enable GM to capitalize on synergies with the rest of the powertrain and vehicle organizations. The majority of the GM employees will be offered the option to relocate in Michigan.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Michigan; US: New York
KEYWORDS: automakers; bhoeconomy; democrats; economy; generalmotors; gm; green; greenenergy; jobs; manufacturing; theend
I hope this isn't a duplicate post as I searched on keywords and titles before posting.

This is a well buried item in the local liberal news; however I found out about it from a NEW CO-WORKER who is a TOTAL SCREAMING GREENIE LIB. Her husband works for the DEC (EPA's biological extrusion) and she has worked in Planning and Mapping for various gov't entities as well. She mentioned this in a casual conversation about house hunting in the Honeoye area. I couldn't resist and said "so I thought GM was ALIVE?!" She responded with nervous laughter!

1 posted on 10/16/2012 3:49:23 AM PDT by AbolishCSEU
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To: AbolishCSEU

Which will result in the unemployment numbers dropping to a low of 7.5% for October /s


2 posted on 10/16/2012 3:56:18 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (Obama is like Ron Burgundy - he will read ANYTHING that is on the teleprompter)
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To: AbolishCSEU
How desperate must Government Motors be that they did not hang onto this news until after the election...

Can you imagine the wave of layoff notices at green enterprises scheduled to go out on Wednesday, November 7, 2012?

3 posted on 10/16/2012 4:14:47 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If Hillary reminds every man of his ex-wife, Joe Biden reminds every woman of her ex-husband.)
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To: AbolishCSEU
Those upstate NY workers will be thrilled with the offer to move to Detoilet.

Kinda like an offer to go to prison, complete with bars on the doors and windows, and everyone outside carrying guns.

4 posted on 10/16/2012 4:23:01 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: AbolishCSEU

““This decision has significant business advantages for the company,”said Kim Carpenter, GM spokeswoman.”

Axeing 220 employees is a business advantage. Sounds like the White House is writing their press releases.


5 posted on 10/16/2012 4:26:24 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: AbolishCSEU
For example, it will enable GM to capitalize on synergies with the rest of the powertrain and vehicle organizations

What a crock!. They have internet and telephone, and with that you can have all the synergy you need.

The subsidy must have run out.

6 posted on 10/16/2012 4:28:51 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: caver

Well, at least they aren’t moving this to China—yet.


7 posted on 10/16/2012 4:29:28 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: AbolishCSEU

So... was this decision based on the realization that hydrogen fuel-cell batteries can never generate power, but only store it? That the hype about fuel cells was never true?


8 posted on 10/16/2012 4:43:26 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Beagle8U
Kinda like an offer to go to prison, complete with bars on the doors and windows, and everyone outside carrying guns.""".....

ROFl, don't you just love irony? lol. They can transfer to MICHIGAN?? rofl

9 posted on 10/16/2012 5:03:20 AM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: annieokie
It's true, everyone that lives close to Detoilet has to put bars on doors and windows to keep the crackheads from breaking in.
10 posted on 10/16/2012 5:09:48 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: AbolishCSEU

AbolishCSEU~ :”.. I couldn’t resist and said “so I thought GM was ALIVE?! ... “

This is a case of GM cutting Research & Developement for the sake of preserving manufacturing ( think: union )jobs.

I thought Biden said last week in the Vice Presidential debate that : “ Obama saved the automotive industry “
Maybe he meant .. union jobs ?


11 posted on 10/16/2012 5:23:09 AM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (Islam is a religion AND a political system. There is no separation of church and state in Islam)
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To: Haiku Guy

“Can you imagine the wave of layoff notices at green enterprises scheduled to go out on Wednesday, November 7, 2012?”

OK, true, but seriously, how can 250-500 layoffs affect the economy??


12 posted on 10/16/2012 5:32:53 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: annieokie; Beagle8U
Plenty of nice places to live around and near Pontiac, if you like boating, jetskiing, canoeing, sailing, fishing, etc.
13 posted on 10/16/2012 5:45:09 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: AbolishCSEU

How far is this closed plant from Hofstra University, the site of tonight’s town hall show? When BO whines about Bain closing some businesses, Romney should point out that even Government Motors closes unsustainable businesses, such as this one, Many other “green” companies have failed after receiving huge government subsidies.

However, the BIG difference is that when Bain does it, it loses private money. When the government does it, it is losing the taxpayers’ money.


14 posted on 10/16/2012 6:06:51 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: AbolishCSEU

“We have increased your employment from 40 hours a week to 0! Glory to the party!”


15 posted on 10/16/2012 6:14:03 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: AbolishCSEU

...GM to capitalize on synergies...


Of course, one must capitalize on synergies at any price...


16 posted on 10/16/2012 6:18:11 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (The Left blaming Jim Lehrer for the debate is like blaming Liencoln's assassination on the play.i of)
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To: The Antiyuppie

250-500 here...250-500 there...soon you have quite a few people laid-off or fired.

More importantly, it appears that the nobamites have weirdly “saved” GM.


17 posted on 10/16/2012 6:20:04 AM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: 1rudeboy
I'm sure there are many nice places in Michigan, for the humor of the article, DETROIT comes to mind.
18 posted on 10/16/2012 6:23:30 AM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: annieokie
Humor aside, I didn't get the impression that you understand that there are nice places near Pontiac, and not just "in Michigan."
19 posted on 10/16/2012 6:26:57 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: txrefugee

The plant is almost 350 miles from the debate. Hempstead is on Long Island and the plant is near the great lake Ontario


20 posted on 10/16/2012 6:31:43 AM PDT by shoff (Vote Democratic it beats thinking!)
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To: 1rudeboy

oh my!!! PEACE??


21 posted on 10/16/2012 6:49:36 AM PDT by annieokie (O)
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To: The Antiyuppie

250-500 Layoffs can be a big deal in a place like Upstate New York, which already has chronically high unemployment and low growth. Add to that the associated suppliers and businesses that serve the workers, and the effect multiplies.

On the other side of the coin, the Government has gone Billions of Dollars further in debt to produce an unproductive project. Most of this money might as well have been flushed down a sewer. And, as they say, a Billion here and a Billion there, and pretty soon we’re talking about real money!


22 posted on 10/16/2012 7:03:20 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If Hillary reminds every man of his ex-wife, Joe Biden reminds every woman of her ex-husband.)
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To: Haiku Guy

“250-500 Layoffs can be a big deal in a place like Upstate New York,...”

You are SO right.

Any single layoff of 250-500 employees must be considered in light of prior layoffs and declines at Xerox, Kodak and IBM in the Rochester area. Those are the tech companies that the nation looks to for innovation and growth. However, the growth and innovation have taken place elsewhere since 1946. In places around Cambridge MA, Palo Alto CA, and other gardens of technology company. The jobs lost in Rochester are the jobs of highly educated engineers and technicians who support mid-price home purchases, want their children to become well-educated, and are often the source of spin-off businesses. The loss of these jobs hurts the region’s economy and future as much or more than the loss of any other kinds of jobs.

New York state lives on the finance industry and treats the citizens of the state as if everyone worked at Goldman Sachs in Manhattan. As an exercise in extreme contrasts, drive from the New York side of Niagara Falls to the Canadian side—see which side has a lively economy and life. Downtown Rochester, like Buffalo and other regional cities, are like museums of pre-WW2 American industry.


23 posted on 10/16/2012 7:46:12 AM PDT by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: exDemMom

Honda has working prototypes.

They now are working on making fuel cells, goof proof to refuel, cheap, and reliable.

There is no point to GM to continue since Honda is already so far ahead in fuel cells.


24 posted on 10/16/2012 8:15:15 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: hal ogen; Liz; Ernest_at_the_Beach; tubebender; SierraWasp; NormsRevenge

Exactly! losing 250 well paying jobs in smaller communities hurts the community where it happens.

The Chicago Thugs in charge of the Outhouse have told the defense companies not to lay off people until after the election.

Banks here in California with large loans on McMansions from San Diego up to the Mendicino coast have been warned not to foreclose on those loans until after the elections.

Makes one wonder what type of pressure the thugs in the Outhouse are putting on businesses across the nation not to lay off people nor foreclose on big unpaid/in default loans until after the election to keep the unemployment rate down.


25 posted on 10/16/2012 8:32:16 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (We are the 53%, who pay taxes and keep this country going inspite of the 47% rat moochers!)
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To: iacovatx
Downtown Rochester, like Buffalo and other regional cities, are like museums of pre-WW2 American industry.

True - plus they're infested with rats, mostly big 'Rats!

26 posted on 10/16/2012 9:01:33 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: Haiku Guy

You’re correct about the layoffs having an impact here.

I’m from Western New York and our economy has been fragile in the Rochester area ever since Kodak declared bankruptcy.

While 500 jobs may seem slim to a major city like New York or Chicago or LA, it has a huge impact here in the Rochester area.


27 posted on 10/16/2012 9:06:51 AM PDT by upstatemetalhead
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

Twentieth Century Motors abandons the engine of the future??

hhmmm


28 posted on 10/16/2012 9:17:12 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Beagle8U

Those upstate NY workers will be thrilled with the offer to move to Detoilet.”””

Exacrly!!!

A chance to move from beautiful upstate New York to a hellhole of a city- Detroit area—and listen to the 80 +++ mosques send out the call to prayers 4 times a day!!!

What an opportunity!!!!


29 posted on 10/16/2012 9:19:40 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: iacovatx
Any single layoff of 250-500 employees must be considered in light of prior layoffs and declines at Xerox, Kodak and IBM in the Rochester area. Those are the tech companies that the nation looks to for innovation and growth.

You're kidding, right? With the exception of IBM (and only on the high end), those companies are dinosaurs. And there I thought the nation looked to Apple, Google, and Intel for innovation. Silly me.

30 posted on 10/16/2012 9:22:03 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us choices: convert or kill, submit or die.)
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To: AbolishCSEU
Gov. Andrew Cuomo has made reviving the upstate economy his top initiative, but the two latest factory closures are a hit to that message.

Elections have consequences.

31 posted on 10/16/2012 9:28:38 AM PDT by McGruff (I love the smell of DESPERATION in the morning. Smells like victory!)
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To: exDemMom

“So... was this decision based on the realization that hydrogen fuel-cell batteries can never generate power, but only store it?”

I think you have the concept backwards. The point of fuel cells *is* to generate power directly from gaseous fuels, rather than store power like a lead or lithium battery. The problem is practicality and cost. Hydrogen is an ideally clean fuel, whose only catalytic byproduct is water. But, hydrogen gas would be impractical, dangerous and expensive as automobile fuel. Efforts to use hydrocarbon gaseous fuels have apparently not been as successful as hoped. I think contamination of the cells by those fuels is the problem, cutting their lifespan too short to be marketable.


32 posted on 10/16/2012 10:51:16 AM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Haiku Guy

770 layoffs is a big deal in Upstate NY.

We need to stop dragging feet and start fracking natural gas in Upstate NY!


33 posted on 10/16/2012 11:08:10 AM PDT by Fitzy_888 ("ownership society")
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To: 1rudeboy
“Plenty of nice places to live around and near Pontiac, if you like boating, jetskiing, canoeing, sailing, fishing, etc.”

And carjackings, drive-by shootings, assaults, robberies, sky high taxes, and failing schools.

34 posted on 10/16/2012 11:13:47 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: exit82
"The subsidy must have run out. "

BINGO!

35 posted on 10/16/2012 11:46:53 AM PDT by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: AbolishCSEU

Excellent reporting on your part.


36 posted on 10/16/2012 11:47:07 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Beagle8U

What a shock that must be to the residents of Oakland County. It’s one of the wealthier counties in the United States.


37 posted on 10/16/2012 12:14:06 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: caver

They aren’t eliminating the jobs, just sending them back to the mother ship. Which makes a lot of sense. The only reason they were in NYS in the first place was politics.


38 posted on 10/16/2012 12:20:03 PM PDT by nascarnation (Defeat Baraq 2012. Deport Baraq 2013)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Thank you; How I’d LOVE to move out of this god-forsaken BLUE state!!


39 posted on 10/16/2012 12:22:07 PM PDT by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: Fitzy_888

Good luck on that one! I see all the “no frack” signs put out by the GREENIES and the People’s Republic of Ithaca.


40 posted on 10/16/2012 12:24:14 PM PDT by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: iacovatx

“Downtown Rochester, like Buffalo and other regional cities, are like museums of pre-WW2 American industry.”


Oh yeah? Well in Buffalo we have hundreds of loud mouth, burlap wearing, makeup deficient, commie liberals who come out in defense of our unused grain elevators anytime somebody has an idea which might create a job at the expense of these concrete silos. /sarc

I love it when one of them are in ear shot and I’ll say, loud enough for them to hear, that I looked for all the people at the grain elevator souvenir shop but I could not locate it.

I refer to them as bird people as if you ever saw them you would now exactly what I mean.


41 posted on 10/16/2012 12:29:43 PM PDT by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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To: TexasRepublic
I think you have the concept backwards. The point of fuel cells *is* to generate power directly from gaseous fuels, rather than store power like a lead or lithium battery. The problem is practicality and cost. Hydrogen is an ideally clean fuel, whose only catalytic byproduct is water. But, hydrogen gas would be impractical, dangerous and expensive as automobile fuel. Efforts to use hydrocarbon gaseous fuels have apparently not been as successful as hoped. I think contamination of the cells by those fuels is the problem, cutting their lifespan too short to be marketable.

At least in the 1990s, when fuel cells were supposed to be the next revolution, they sounded a lot like perpetual motion machines. No matter how they work, it will always take more energy to break the covalent bonds of hydrogen-containing compounds to get elemental hydrogen than can be retrieved by combining hydrogen with oxygen. For that reason, fuel cells do not generate power, but can only convert it.

42 posted on 10/17/2012 5:25:17 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: Carry_Okie

In the general sense, Xerox, Kodak and IBM are related to Apple, Google, and Intel. Each of these is a private sector technology company and have microprocessor technology at the core of their main products. Xerox, Kodak and IBM are in the old-economy parts of the US and Apple, Google, and Intel are in the silicon valley world. With what has happened to HP in recent years, I wonder how long it will be until Apple and Google feel the strain of California taxes and regulations? IBM may have been more prominent in the past but being located in NYS could hasten the pressure on profits.


43 posted on 10/27/2012 5:28:20 PM PDT by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: Wurlitzer

I’ll have to look for them the next time I pass through Buffalo. The image of “bird people” just demands that they be seen! Thanks for the comment and the chuckle.


44 posted on 10/27/2012 5:30:49 PM PDT by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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