Skip to comments.California’s Prop. 31: The Revolution Will Not Be Publicized
Posted on 10/21/2012 5:30:04 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
We are two months away from fundamentally transforming the State of California, and barely anyone knows it. With a five to six point lead in the latest poll, Proposition 31 has a solid shot at passage. The measure is meant to bail out Californias failing cities by creating regional super-governments empowered to raid and redistribute suburban tax money. Its the end of the system of local self-government that has served as the bedrock of American democracy since the time of the Founders in the nations largest state, no less. Yet virtually no one is paying attention...
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Why would anyone vote for this proposition? The language is so convoluted its impossible to know exactly what your voting for.
HELL NO!!! These cities got themselves into this mess, it’s not my responsibility as a taxpayer to help clean their mess!!
We should sell California back to Mexico and use that money to pay off our national debt.
Sell California back to Mexico to pay off our debt?
Hell....the entire country of Mexico doesn’t have
enough net worth to make a dent in what the US owes.
The GOP is endorsing it, I am voting against it.
Kali has become a cancer on the nation
The Peoples Republic of Kalifornia is becoming a reality. All Kalifornia Freepers need to leave before they get trapped behind enemy lines.
Anyone heard of it?
This is part of UN Agenda 21. They will be sorry if they vote for this. But then it’s California.
As a resident of California, I will kindly disagree. This state used to be a bedrock of conservatism. At some point enough of the failures here will force people to go back to where we were, but we have to hit bottom first. Amazingly, we haven’t hit it yet.
You will soon.
You will soon.
John Galt will take his cookie jar and go Galt.
I voted against it this week via absentee.
I don’t mind California regulating itself into (further) bankruptcy, but it ticks me off that now we’ll have to accommodate more leftie transplants coming to Texas. These people learn nothing when they get here and bring their rotten politics with them.
Isn’t this a mini version of life in Agenda 21?
Little by little it is being implemented across the country. Those smart meters are part of it.
If Congress ratifies this treaty, soverenty will be gone and there is nothing anyone can do about it, Not the courts or anyone else. By the way Obama is for this along with other treaties. The UN will govern our country.
I don’t surrender territory to the enemy. Thanks for the suggestion though. I was born here. I’ll die here.
The RNC abandoned my state. It’s already selling the union out as a whole. It will abandon your state too.
As some point we have to take a stand.
I’m doing it here.
Why should we let Mexico have a place that has the potential to be the 5th economic power on the planet?
Folks, seriously, if you don’t want to be my ally in battle, please use another forum to sell me out.
Probably a bit late for that. Possession is supposedly nine tenths of the law.
We have a Constitution in Virginia that requires that any tax changes be voted on by an elected body. The state supreme court canceled 7 taxes levied by unelected regional bodies ~ see: http://taxfoundation.org/blog/virginia-holds-legislative-special-session-transportation-taxes ~ California might well have such a provision in law, if not the constitution, but it’s certainly worth some research.
The reference is to the volume of law devoted to a single topic ~ not to the idea that simply possessing something necessarily gives you more property rights than someone else. Could be it could merit an arrest warrent and some jail time!
However, you better start hammering the current Senate because between this election and January when the new President (Romney) and the new Senate is sworn in, is a very dangerous time foe this country.
There are a number of treaties Obama would like to sign into law. Such as the Law Of the sea treaty and the rights of the child to name a couple.
Still laughing! A friend who is a cop in one of KA's "wealthy" communities, says people there are so clueless as to what is going on around them. He says the people won't know things have gotten bad until all the bigger homes surrounding them have each collected 8 families with their chickens and goats. I am thinking that effectively makes 9/10s the rule of law?
Yeah, we should change our name to TexMexifornia. The liberal locusts have chewed California to the ground. The migration and infestation is well under way here.
First the state raided redevelopment funds from all over the state, now it is going to take money away from communities that managed their finances responisbly and give it to cities who provide services to illegals. It provides funding for the continuuing invasion of the United States and the deconstruction of its Constituion. This is a major shot across the bow. It’s not just California’s problem, this is extremely dangerous on a national scale.
Food for thought...
I think there’s one aspect of this you folks may have not thought of.
If a new government district is set up to include an inner city and a number of suburbs, then the tax base as a whole could be considered, then taxes could be moved from the suburbs to cover inner city costs. There would be no new taxes.
If it’s presented as a way for per capita expenditures for schooling to be leveled out, you’d have a lot of folks in the inner city go for it, while the folks in the suburbs would be furious. The suburbs would lose funding for their schools or whatever else the new districts decided to include in this.
The sad thing is, the district leaders would be appointees, not subject to the will of the people.
These new ruling districts are something to be avoided IMO.
They are forms of non-representational government. Their whole structure are foreign to our nation, and should be deemed unconstitutional.
We are to have a representation form of government. We’re a Republic. It’s in the Constitution. Republics don’t have special districts where the citizen have no voice.
I believe the president swears to provide a Republican form of government for the states in Article IV Section 4. These districts are outside his oath. He could issue a Executive Order and forbid them.
Here it is. A4S4
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
We really ought to amputate California like the gangrenous limb that it is, before it kills us all. Give it to Mexico and see how long it takes to fit right in.
BTW: If Prop 31 passes, the Republicans should attack it in court the very next business day. It should NEVER be allowed to stand.
“I dont surrender territory to the enemy. Thanks for the suggestion though. I was born here. Ill die here.”
Woohoo Doughtyone, I like your ‘tude!
There are just all sorts of treaties where specific but critical parts have gone unfunded so effectively the treaty doesn't work.
Tsk tsk... Roll over and die by yourself, friend. Kindly leave your fellow patriots to fight back as they surely will.
Traditional Voter Coalition recommends a no on 31. They put out a church-ok guide for D and R candidates and do actual recommendations on the propositions. The propositions are recommended as follows by them:
To order their ok-to-distribute-at-church guide, go to https://traditionalvalues.org/content/voter_guide. Hurry, time is running out.
I don’t work for them, I just appreciate their work and really like getting this info out to the churches.
As some point we have to take a stand.
Im doing it here.
Well, there are two of us plus FR. It's a start.
Watched “Color Me Gone” drag race many times......
Only the Senate ratifies treaties. Once passed it becomes law regardless of funding.
Seriously, middle ages, here we come.
Moving from Williamson County to south Austin in January. I’ll be in Lloyd Dogget’s district. For the first time in my life I’ll have a communist representing me.
Read more here. http://iclei.org/
I had that decal on some model cars in the 60's. Also used it to decorate my canoe paddle prior to a couple of wilderness trips in the 60's.
Well, at the rate Wiliamson County is going liberal, you won't be able to tell the difference between the two in a few more years.
Same thing here in Maine....Rusticators and Trust Fund babies.....They cant wait to tell us how backwards we are and how they did it back in Mass. R.I, New Jersey or where ever....... I always politely offer to buy them a bus ticket back to Utopia if they'll leave tomorrow.....I haven't bought a bus ticket yet but they sure get out of my space in a huff...usually in a smoking Volvo covered in bumper stickers
“1964 Dodge 426 Short Ram Hemi Drag Race Car ‘Color Me Gone’, Roger Lindamood’s Door Detail Garage(WPC Museum)N”
Most treaties are about things that require funding. With no money, they don’t work as designed. You might even win a lawsuit, but NO ONE tells the House what it has to appropriate.
I think that we should have a state law which prevents anyone from voting in any election in Texas until they have lived here for five years.
World’s 8th largest economy is circling the toilet bowl, just waiting for the final flush.
I see your link, and will raise you one re-reading of the American Revolution.
You stated before that "there's nothing anyone can do about it." I'm sorry, but that's simply not true. Like all people, the American people do have a breaking point. If and when we're pushed beyond that point, the purveyors of such tyrannical concepts won't know what hit them.