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California’s Prop. 31: The Revolution Will Not Be Publicized
NRO ^ | September 10, 2012 | Stanley Kurtz

Posted on 10/21/2012 5:30:04 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

We are two months away from fundamentally transforming the State of California, and barely anyone knows it. With a five to six point lead in the latest poll, Proposition 31 has a solid shot at passage. The measure is meant to bail out California’s failing cities by creating regional super-governments empowered to raid and redistribute suburban tax money. It’s the end of the system of local self-government that has served as the bedrock of American democracy since the time of the Founders — in the nation’s largest state, no less. Yet virtually no one is paying attention...

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; prop31; proposition31; redistribution; regionalism; socialism; treaty
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1 posted on 10/21/2012 5:30:11 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
The white devil shall not be allowed to escape slavery to Eric Holder's people.
2 posted on 10/21/2012 5:38:19 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Why would anyone vote for this proposition? The language is so convoluted its impossible to know exactly what your voting for.


3 posted on 10/21/2012 5:39:44 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: GodGunsGuts

HELL NO!!! These cities got themselves into this mess, it’s not my responsibility as a taxpayer to help clean their mess!!

We should sell California back to Mexico and use that money to pay off our national debt.


4 posted on 10/21/2012 5:40:28 PM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

Sell California back to Mexico to pay off our debt?

Hell....the entire country of Mexico doesn’t have
enough net worth to make a dent in what the US owes.


5 posted on 10/21/2012 5:42:50 PM PDT by nvscanman
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To: GodGunsGuts

The GOP is endorsing it, I am voting against it.


6 posted on 10/21/2012 5:43:29 PM PDT by ansel12 (Mitt Romney is a mixture of LBJ and Nixon, Obama is a mixture of LBJ and Jimmy Carter.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Kali has become a cancer on the nation


7 posted on 10/21/2012 5:44:17 PM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence again.t foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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To: Kozak

The Peoples Republic of Kalifornia is becoming a reality. All Kalifornia Freepers need to leave before they get trapped behind enemy lines.


8 posted on 10/21/2012 5:46:54 PM PDT by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012
I'm trying to remember - they want to do the same nationally. No more states - regional governments!

Anyone heard of it?

9 posted on 10/21/2012 5:47:18 PM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: donna

This is part of UN Agenda 21. They will be sorry if they vote for this. But then it’s California.

http://m.youtube.com/?reason=8&rdm=4544#/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DTzEEgtOFFlM


10 posted on 10/21/2012 5:56:40 PM PDT by BMC1 (OBAMA IS A THUG RUNNING A GANGSTER GOVERNMENT)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

As a resident of California, I will kindly disagree. This state used to be a bedrock of conservatism. At some point enough of the failures here will force people to go back to where we were, but we have to hit bottom first. Amazingly, we haven’t hit it yet.


11 posted on 10/21/2012 5:57:26 PM PDT by muwarriors92
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To: muwarriors92

You will soon.


12 posted on 10/21/2012 5:58:25 PM PDT by BMC1 (OBAMA IS A THUG RUNNING A GANGSTER GOVERNMENT)
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To: muwarriors92

You will soon.


13 posted on 10/21/2012 5:58:25 PM PDT by BMC1 (OBAMA IS A THUG RUNNING A GANGSTER GOVERNMENT)
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To: GodGunsGuts
This is Agenda 21 in action, up close and personal. Even the GOP has been duped into supporting it. Voter apathy and stupidity combined with sneaky Leninist duplicity and incrementalism will destroy the U.S. -- the people will vote for their own enslavement.

Prop. 31-Agenda 21

14 posted on 10/21/2012 5:58:32 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: GodGunsGuts

John Galt will take his cookie jar and go Galt.


15 posted on 10/21/2012 6:00:07 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Paladin2

16 posted on 10/21/2012 6:01:30 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: ansel12

I voted against it this week via absentee.


17 posted on 10/21/2012 6:01:59 PM PDT by muwarriors92
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To: GodGunsGuts

I don’t mind California regulating itself into (further) bankruptcy, but it ticks me off that now we’ll have to accommodate more leftie transplants coming to Texas. These people learn nothing when they get here and bring their rotten politics with them.


18 posted on 10/21/2012 6:03:44 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Isn’t this a mini version of life in Agenda 21?


19 posted on 10/21/2012 6:04:47 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: skeeter
Mu husband tried to read this prop text in our voter pamphlet and it is very confusing we will vote NO. I am so sick of California. No on 30, 38, 31 Yes on 32.
20 posted on 10/21/2012 6:05:12 PM PDT by funfan
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To: Bernard Marx

Little by little it is being implemented across the country. Those smart meters are part of it.

If Congress ratifies this treaty, soverenty will be gone and there is nothing anyone can do about it, Not the courts or anyone else. By the way Obama is for this along with other treaties. The UN will govern our country.


21 posted on 10/21/2012 6:07:22 PM PDT by BMC1 (OBAMA IS A THUG RUNNING A GANGSTER GOVERNMENT)
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To: SVTCobra03

I don’t surrender territory to the enemy. Thanks for the suggestion though. I was born here. I’ll die here.

The RNC abandoned my state. It’s already selling the union out as a whole. It will abandon your state too.

As some point we have to take a stand.

I’m doing it here.

Why should we let Mexico have a place that has the potential to be the 5th economic power on the planet?

Folks, seriously, if you don’t want to be my ally in battle, please use another forum to sell me out.


22 posted on 10/21/2012 6:08:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fooled folks once didn't you. Revenge is spelled, "VOTE RED". You're going down donkeys...)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012
We should sell California back to Mexico and use that money to pay off our national debt.

Probably a bit late for that. Possession is supposedly nine tenths of the law.

23 posted on 10/21/2012 6:08:06 PM PDT by jwsea55
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To: funfan

We have a Constitution in Virginia that requires that any tax changes be voted on by an elected body. The state supreme court canceled 7 taxes levied by unelected regional bodies ~ see: http://taxfoundation.org/blog/virginia-holds-legislative-special-session-transportation-taxes ~ California might well have such a provision in law, if not the constitution, but it’s certainly worth some research.


24 posted on 10/21/2012 6:12:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: jwsea55

The reference is to the volume of law devoted to a single topic ~ not to the idea that simply possessing something necessarily gives you more property rights than someone else. Could be it could merit an arrest warrent and some jail time!


25 posted on 10/21/2012 6:13:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
You're missing the point. If the US Senate ratifies the treaty, it will trump all laws. If you want to fight it, vote Obama out of office an vote in a Republican majority in the Senate them hammer the day lites out of the Republicans to not vote for it.

However, you better start hammering the current Senate because between this election and January when the new President (Romney) and the new Senate is sworn in, is a very dangerous time foe this country.

There are a number of treaties Obama would like to sign into law. Such as the Law Of the sea treaty and the rights of the child to name a couple.

26 posted on 10/21/2012 6:23:26 PM PDT by BMC1 (OBAMA IS A THUG RUNNING A GANGSTER GOVERNMENT)
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To: muawiyah
The reference is to the volume of law devoted to a single topic ~ not to the idea that simply possessing something necessarily gives you more property rights than someone else. Could be it could merit an arrest warrent and some jail time!

Still laughing! A friend who is a cop in one of KA's "wealthy" communities, says people there are so clueless as to what is going on around them. He says the people won't know things have gotten bad until all the bigger homes surrounding them have each collected 8 families with their chickens and goats. I am thinking that effectively makes 9/10s the rule of law?

27 posted on 10/21/2012 6:26:55 PM PDT by jwsea55
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To: GunRunner
I don’t mind California regulating itself into (further) bankruptcy, but it ticks me off that now we’ll have to accommodate more leftie transplants coming to Texas. These people learn nothing when they get here and bring their rotten politics with them.

Yeah, we should change our name to TexMexifornia. The liberal locusts have chewed California to the ground. The migration and infestation is well under way here.

28 posted on 10/21/2012 6:27:26 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

First the state raided redevelopment funds from all over the state, now it is going to take money away from communities that managed their finances responisbly and give it to cities who provide services to illegals. It provides funding for the continuuing invasion of the United States and the deconstruction of its Constituion. This is a major shot across the bow. It’s not just California’s problem, this is extremely dangerous on a national scale.


29 posted on 10/21/2012 6:31:06 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: muawiyah; funfan

Food for thought...

I think there’s one aspect of this you folks may have not thought of.

If a new government district is set up to include an inner city and a number of suburbs, then the tax base as a whole could be considered, then taxes could be moved from the suburbs to cover inner city costs. There would be no new taxes.

If it’s presented as a way for per capita expenditures for schooling to be leveled out, you’d have a lot of folks in the inner city go for it, while the folks in the suburbs would be furious. The suburbs would lose funding for their schools or whatever else the new districts decided to include in this.

The sad thing is, the district leaders would be appointees, not subject to the will of the people.

These new ruling districts are something to be avoided IMO.

They are forms of non-representational government. Their whole structure are foreign to our nation, and should be deemed unconstitutional.

We are to have a representation form of government. We’re a Republic. It’s in the Constitution. Republics don’t have special districts where the citizen have no voice.

I believe the president swears to provide a Republican form of government for the states in Article IV Section 4. These districts are outside his oath. He could issue a Executive Order and forbid them.

Here it is. A4S4

Section 4.

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.


30 posted on 10/21/2012 6:31:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fooled folks once didn't you. Revenge is spelled, "VOTE RED". You're going down donkeys...)
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To: GodGunsGuts

We really ought to amputate California like the gangrenous limb that it is, before it kills us all. Give it to Mexico and see how long it takes to fit right in.


31 posted on 10/21/2012 6:33:28 PM PDT by Humble Servant (Work for the most conservative one in the race, and keep up the pressure.)
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To: muawiyah; funfan

BTW: If Prop 31 passes, the Republicans should attack it in court the very next business day. It should NEVER be allowed to stand.


32 posted on 10/21/2012 6:34:31 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fooled folks once didn't you. Revenge is spelled, "VOTE RED". You're going down donkeys...)
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To: DoughtyOne

“I don’t surrender territory to the enemy. Thanks for the suggestion though. I was born here. I’ll die here.”

Woohoo Doughtyone, I like your ‘tude!


33 posted on 10/21/2012 6:38:56 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: BMC1
As usual folks overlook the fact that invariably any treaty ratified by the Senate also needs some legislation passed by the House or it won't work!

There are just all sorts of treaties where specific but critical parts have gone unfunded so effectively the treaty doesn't work.

34 posted on 10/21/2012 6:39:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BMC1
If Congress ratifies this treaty, soverenty will be gone and there is nothing anyone can do about it...

Tsk tsk... Roll over and die by yourself, friend. Kindly leave your fellow patriots to fight back as they surely will.

35 posted on 10/21/2012 6:43:30 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Traditional Voter Coalition recommends a no on 31. They put out a church-ok guide for D and R candidates and do actual recommendations on the propositions. The propositions are recommended as follows by them:

30 No

31 No

32 Yes

33 No

34 No

35 Yes

36 No

37 No

38 No

39 No

40 Yes

To order their ok-to-distribute-at-church guide, go to https://traditionalvalues.org/content/voter_guide. Hurry, time is running out.

I don’t work for them, I just appreciate their work and really like getting this info out to the churches.


36 posted on 10/21/2012 6:43:47 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: DoughtyOne
The RNC abandoned my state. It’s already selling the union out as a whole. It will abandon your state too.

As some point we have to take a stand.

I’m doing it here.

Well, there are two of us plus FR. It's a start.

37 posted on 10/21/2012 6:44:39 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: Paladin2
Is that pic from the 60’s???

Watched “Color Me Gone” drag race many times......

38 posted on 10/21/2012 6:45:17 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: muawiyah

Only the Senate ratifies treaties. Once passed it becomes law regardless of funding.


39 posted on 10/21/2012 6:45:56 PM PDT by BMC1 (OBAMA IS A THUG RUNNING A GANGSTER GOVERNMENT)
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To: DoughtyOne
If a new government district is set up to include an inner city and a number of suburbs, then the tax base as a whole could be considered, then taxes could be moved from the suburbs to cover inner city costs. There would be no new taxes.

Fiefdoms....

Seriously, middle ages, here we come.

40 posted on 10/21/2012 6:48:20 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: TADSLOS

Moving from Williamson County to south Austin in January. I’ll be in Lloyd Dogget’s district. For the first time in my life I’ll have a communist representing me.


41 posted on 10/21/2012 6:49:59 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: Windflier

Read more here. http://iclei.org/


42 posted on 10/21/2012 6:51:36 PM PDT by BMC1 (OBAMA IS A THUG RUNNING A GANGSTER GOVERNMENT)
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To: M-cubed
Donno. Likely.

I had that decal on some model cars in the 60's. Also used it to decorate my canoe paddle prior to a couple of wilderness trips in the 60's.

43 posted on 10/21/2012 6:55:18 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: GunRunner
Moving from Williamson County to south Austin in January. I’ll be in Lloyd Dogget’s district. For the first time in my life I’ll have a communist representing me.

Well, at the rate Wiliamson County is going liberal, you won't be able to tell the difference between the two in a few more years.

44 posted on 10/21/2012 6:58:10 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: GunRunner
These people learn nothing when they get here and bring their rotten politics with them.<<,

Same thing here in Maine....Rusticators and Trust Fund babies.....They cant wait to tell us how backwards we are and how they did it back in Mass. R.I, New Jersey or where ever....... I always politely offer to buy them a bus ticket back to Utopia if they'll leave tomorrow.....I haven't bought a bus ticket yet but they sure get out of my space in a huff...usually in a smoking Volvo covered in bumper stickers

45 posted on 10/21/2012 7:04:52 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: M-cubed

“1964 Dodge 426 Short Ram Hemi Drag Race Car ‘Color Me Gone’, Roger Lindamood’s Door Detail Garage(WPC Museum)N”


46 posted on 10/21/2012 7:04:52 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: BMC1

Most treaties are about things that require funding. With no money, they don’t work as designed. You might even win a lawsuit, but NO ONE tells the House what it has to appropriate.


47 posted on 10/21/2012 7:05:07 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: TADSLOS; GunRunner

I think that we should have a state law which prevents anyone from voting in any election in Texas until they have lived here for five years.


48 posted on 10/21/2012 7:09:54 PM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Kozak

World’s 8th largest economy is circling the toilet bowl, just waiting for the final flush.


49 posted on 10/21/2012 7:11:06 PM PDT by carriage_hill (The 0bummer Penguin & Bidet Joker: We played this country like a harp from hell.)
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To: BMC1
Read more here. http://iclei.org/

I see your link, and will raise you one re-reading of the American Revolution.

You stated before that "there's nothing anyone can do about it." I'm sorry, but that's simply not true. Like all people, the American people do have a breaking point. If and when we're pushed beyond that point, the purveyors of such tyrannical concepts won't know what hit them.

50 posted on 10/21/2012 7:12:21 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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