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California’s Prop. 31: The Revolution Will Not Be Publicized
NRO ^ | September 10, 2012 | Stanley Kurtz

Posted on 10/21/2012 5:30:04 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

We are two months away from fundamentally transforming the State of California, and barely anyone knows it. With a five to six point lead in the latest poll, Proposition 31 has a solid shot at passage. The measure is meant to bail out California’s failing cities by creating regional super-governments empowered to raid and redistribute suburban tax money. It’s the end of the system of local self-government that has served as the bedrock of American democracy since the time of the Founders — in the nation’s largest state, no less. Yet virtually no one is paying attention...

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; prop31; proposition31; redistribution; regionalism; socialism; treaty
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To: Bernard Marx

Little by little it is being implemented across the country. Those smart meters are part of it.

If Congress ratifies this treaty, soverenty will be gone and there is nothing anyone can do about it, Not the courts or anyone else. By the way Obama is for this along with other treaties. The UN will govern our country.


21 posted on 10/21/2012 6:07:22 PM PDT by BMC1 (OBAMA IS A THUG RUNNING A GANGSTER GOVERNMENT)
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To: SVTCobra03

I don’t surrender territory to the enemy. Thanks for the suggestion though. I was born here. I’ll die here.

The RNC abandoned my state. It’s already selling the union out as a whole. It will abandon your state too.

As some point we have to take a stand.

I’m doing it here.

Why should we let Mexico have a place that has the potential to be the 5th economic power on the planet?

Folks, seriously, if you don’t want to be my ally in battle, please use another forum to sell me out.


22 posted on 10/21/2012 6:08:06 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fooled folks once didn't you. Revenge is spelled, "VOTE RED". You're going down donkeys...)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012
We should sell California back to Mexico and use that money to pay off our national debt.

Probably a bit late for that. Possession is supposedly nine tenths of the law.

23 posted on 10/21/2012 6:08:06 PM PDT by jwsea55
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To: funfan

We have a Constitution in Virginia that requires that any tax changes be voted on by an elected body. The state supreme court canceled 7 taxes levied by unelected regional bodies ~ see: http://taxfoundation.org/blog/virginia-holds-legislative-special-session-transportation-taxes ~ California might well have such a provision in law, if not the constitution, but it’s certainly worth some research.


24 posted on 10/21/2012 6:12:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: jwsea55

The reference is to the volume of law devoted to a single topic ~ not to the idea that simply possessing something necessarily gives you more property rights than someone else. Could be it could merit an arrest warrent and some jail time!


25 posted on 10/21/2012 6:13:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
You're missing the point. If the US Senate ratifies the treaty, it will trump all laws. If you want to fight it, vote Obama out of office an vote in a Republican majority in the Senate them hammer the day lites out of the Republicans to not vote for it.

However, you better start hammering the current Senate because between this election and January when the new President (Romney) and the new Senate is sworn in, is a very dangerous time foe this country.

There are a number of treaties Obama would like to sign into law. Such as the Law Of the sea treaty and the rights of the child to name a couple.

26 posted on 10/21/2012 6:23:26 PM PDT by BMC1 (OBAMA IS A THUG RUNNING A GANGSTER GOVERNMENT)
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To: muawiyah
The reference is to the volume of law devoted to a single topic ~ not to the idea that simply possessing something necessarily gives you more property rights than someone else. Could be it could merit an arrest warrent and some jail time!

Still laughing! A friend who is a cop in one of KA's "wealthy" communities, says people there are so clueless as to what is going on around them. He says the people won't know things have gotten bad until all the bigger homes surrounding them have each collected 8 families with their chickens and goats. I am thinking that effectively makes 9/10s the rule of law?

27 posted on 10/21/2012 6:26:55 PM PDT by jwsea55
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To: GunRunner
I don’t mind California regulating itself into (further) bankruptcy, but it ticks me off that now we’ll have to accommodate more leftie transplants coming to Texas. These people learn nothing when they get here and bring their rotten politics with them.

Yeah, we should change our name to TexMexifornia. The liberal locusts have chewed California to the ground. The migration and infestation is well under way here.

28 posted on 10/21/2012 6:27:26 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Conservatism didn't magically show up in Romney's heart in 2012. You can't force what isn't in you.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

First the state raided redevelopment funds from all over the state, now it is going to take money away from communities that managed their finances responisbly and give it to cities who provide services to illegals. It provides funding for the continuuing invasion of the United States and the deconstruction of its Constituion. This is a major shot across the bow. It’s not just California’s problem, this is extremely dangerous on a national scale.


29 posted on 10/21/2012 6:31:06 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: muawiyah; funfan

Food for thought...

I think there’s one aspect of this you folks may have not thought of.

If a new government district is set up to include an inner city and a number of suburbs, then the tax base as a whole could be considered, then taxes could be moved from the suburbs to cover inner city costs. There would be no new taxes.

If it’s presented as a way for per capita expenditures for schooling to be leveled out, you’d have a lot of folks in the inner city go for it, while the folks in the suburbs would be furious. The suburbs would lose funding for their schools or whatever else the new districts decided to include in this.

The sad thing is, the district leaders would be appointees, not subject to the will of the people.

These new ruling districts are something to be avoided IMO.

They are forms of non-representational government. Their whole structure are foreign to our nation, and should be deemed unconstitutional.

We are to have a representation form of government. We’re a Republic. It’s in the Constitution. Republics don’t have special districts where the citizen have no voice.

I believe the president swears to provide a Republican form of government for the states in Article IV Section 4. These districts are outside his oath. He could issue a Executive Order and forbid them.

Here it is. A4S4

Section 4.

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.


30 posted on 10/21/2012 6:31:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fooled folks once didn't you. Revenge is spelled, "VOTE RED". You're going down donkeys...)
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To: GodGunsGuts

We really ought to amputate California like the gangrenous limb that it is, before it kills us all. Give it to Mexico and see how long it takes to fit right in.


31 posted on 10/21/2012 6:33:28 PM PDT by Humble Servant (Work for the most conservative one in the race, and keep up the pressure.)
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To: muawiyah; funfan

BTW: If Prop 31 passes, the Republicans should attack it in court the very next business day. It should NEVER be allowed to stand.


32 posted on 10/21/2012 6:34:31 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fooled folks once didn't you. Revenge is spelled, "VOTE RED". You're going down donkeys...)
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To: DoughtyOne

“I don’t surrender territory to the enemy. Thanks for the suggestion though. I was born here. I’ll die here.”

Woohoo Doughtyone, I like your ‘tude!


33 posted on 10/21/2012 6:38:56 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: BMC1
As usual folks overlook the fact that invariably any treaty ratified by the Senate also needs some legislation passed by the House or it won't work!

There are just all sorts of treaties where specific but critical parts have gone unfunded so effectively the treaty doesn't work.

34 posted on 10/21/2012 6:39:16 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: BMC1
If Congress ratifies this treaty, soverenty will be gone and there is nothing anyone can do about it...

Tsk tsk... Roll over and die by yourself, friend. Kindly leave your fellow patriots to fight back as they surely will.

35 posted on 10/21/2012 6:43:30 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Traditional Voter Coalition recommends a no on 31. They put out a church-ok guide for D and R candidates and do actual recommendations on the propositions. The propositions are recommended as follows by them:

30 No

31 No

32 Yes

33 No

34 No

35 Yes

36 No

37 No

38 No

39 No

40 Yes

To order their ok-to-distribute-at-church guide, go to https://traditionalvalues.org/content/voter_guide. Hurry, time is running out.

I don’t work for them, I just appreciate their work and really like getting this info out to the churches.


36 posted on 10/21/2012 6:43:47 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: DoughtyOne
The RNC abandoned my state. It’s already selling the union out as a whole. It will abandon your state too.

As some point we have to take a stand.

I’m doing it here.

Well, there are two of us plus FR. It's a start.

37 posted on 10/21/2012 6:44:39 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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To: Paladin2
Is that pic from the 60’s???

Watched “Color Me Gone” drag race many times......

38 posted on 10/21/2012 6:45:17 PM PDT by M-cubed
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To: muawiyah

Only the Senate ratifies treaties. Once passed it becomes law regardless of funding.


39 posted on 10/21/2012 6:45:56 PM PDT by BMC1 (OBAMA IS A THUG RUNNING A GANGSTER GOVERNMENT)
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To: DoughtyOne
If a new government district is set up to include an inner city and a number of suburbs, then the tax base as a whole could be considered, then taxes could be moved from the suburbs to cover inner city costs. There would be no new taxes.

Fiefdoms....

Seriously, middle ages, here we come.

40 posted on 10/21/2012 6:48:20 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$, A$PCA, or PETA.)
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