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After Brookfield spa shooting, lawmakers take up gun control legislation
Milwaukee J-S ^ | 24 oct 2012 | Annysa Johnson

Posted on 10/24/2012 5:31:45 AM PDT by rellimpank

In the wake of Sunday's deadly shooting at a Brookfield spa, Wisconsin lawmakers say they will push legislation aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of batterers in domestic abuse cases.

State Rep. Jon Richards (D-Milwaukee) said Tuesday that he would work with advocates to draft a bill that would bar firearm sales to people under restraining orders, let police remove guns from the scene of a domestic violence incident, and allow courts and prosecutors to know if a batterer has a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

Sen. Lena Taylor (D-Milwaukee) and Rep. Penny Bernard Schaber (D-Appleton) said they would reintroduce a bill that failed in the 2009-'10 legislative session that would force abusers, who must surrender their guns as part of any restraining order, to prove they've complied.

"I hope and expect that this will be a bipartisan issue," Richards said.

Radcliffe Haughton stormed the Azana Salon & Spa on Sunday, fatally shooting his estranged wife, Zina, and her co-workers Cary Robuck of Racine and Maelyn Lind of Merton, three days after receiving a restraining order that barred him from possessing a firearm.

(Excerpt) Read more at jsonline.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: banglist; rkba
--this was appended to an article pointing out that a Milwaukee-area police department was somewhat remiss after not arresting the alleged shooter some time ago when he apparently pointed a rifle at his wife as police watched---
1 posted on 10/24/2012 5:31:54 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: afraidfortherepublic

—ping—


2 posted on 10/24/2012 5:33:08 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank
"...a bill that would bar firearm sales to people under restraining orders."

so the Lautenburg Amendment doesn't work in Wisconsin either?

3 posted on 10/24/2012 5:35:21 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: rellimpank
They just don't get it. Recidivist maggots like this guy WILL NOT OBEY RESTRAINING ORDERS, or gun control laws. He was ordered to turn his guns in. He did not. Their idiot FBI background check didn't catch him. He took a gun into a so-called "gun-free zone", which means the law-abiding can't carry. This guy did. He killed people. The police weren't there. They got there after it was all over.

People like him aren't going to obey more laws!

What we need are more armed citizens who are ready to stop violence with controlled and civil violence.

4 posted on 10/24/2012 5:38:02 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (My game is disruption. I will use lethal force --my vote-- in self-defense against Obama.)
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To: TurboZamboni
One can't have too many laws on the books.

Writing laws is their career field mind you.

I think they get more career points for tackling controversial laws, regardless whether or not the legislation already exosts.

5 posted on 10/24/2012 5:39:17 AM PDT by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: rellimpank
Sure, the police can like magic pick up all of the abuser's weapons. How do they know how many he has? Any chance they might miss the Winchester Model 12 pump shotgun his grand-father bought 60 years ago and has never had any “paper” on it? If I want to hide a gun from either the police, or a wife, they would never find it.
6 posted on 10/24/2012 5:40:37 AM PDT by Lockbar (Romney's job on day one: Shut down all the Obama Phones)
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To: sonofagun
exosts=exists

:^)

We need an edit function!

7 posted on 10/24/2012 5:41:01 AM PDT by sonofagun (Some think my cynicism grows with age. I like to think of it as wisdom!)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Why, oh why, is it so hard for people to get this through their thick skulls?

To answer my own question, it is because all these “arguments” for more laws is merely an emotional stalking horse to ultimately take away our rights!

Laws are passed to restrict the law-abiding. Laws are of no impact to the lawless, like this guy. Passing more laws to restrict the already law-abiding is, iteself, unconstitutional as it further curtails our God-given rights.

STOP. No more!


8 posted on 10/24/2012 5:44:02 AM PDT by Obadiah (The corrupt MSM is the enemy of the American people.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
People like him aren't going to obey more laws!

This.

9 posted on 10/24/2012 5:47:07 AM PDT by real saxophonist
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To: rellimpank

New Liberal Law:

If you’re married, you must have your wife sign a permission slip, MONTHLY, for you to keep your weapons.


10 posted on 10/24/2012 5:52:33 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: rellimpank

We already have laws that prevent domestic abusers from having guns. Crazy people don’t always obey the law — big surprise. And this guy was able to buy a new gun after being ordered to turn in all his guns. So now we must ban guns altogether.

Give these people an inch and they’ll take a mile.


11 posted on 10/24/2012 5:54:12 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: rellimpank

It’s not about guns. It’s about individuals whose VALUE SYSTEM lets them kill other people.
Liberal policies have destroyed traditional values and replaced them with liberal “values.”


12 posted on 10/24/2012 5:55:15 AM PDT by I want the USA back
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To: TurboZamboni

I’m sure that law will prevent someone from buying a weapon out of the trunk of someone’s car . Full auto to boot!Better start watching Son’s of Anarchy .


13 posted on 10/24/2012 6:01:44 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: rellimpank

Stupid.
So your soon-to-be-ex-wife accuses you of something (she doesn’t really need evidence, does she?) and suddenly your RKBA is gone?
That helps me understand (but not sympathize with...) those folks who want to give convicts their RKBA back right after they leave prison.


14 posted on 10/24/2012 6:07:48 AM PDT by Little Ray (AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: rellimpank

( draft a bill that would bar firearm sales to people under restraining orders, let police remove guns from the scene of a domestic violence incident, and allow courts and prosecutors to know if a batterer has a permit to carry a concealed weapon.)

These laws already exist in most States and have zero effect on stopping criminals from killing people. A person who abuses their spouse is a criminal. Criminals do not obey gun laws. It is very easy for a criminal to get an illegal gun from another criminal. Sorry, but this is an exercise in feel good politics and nothing else.


15 posted on 10/24/2012 6:18:24 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: rellimpank

Obama is a Moslem. He formally recited the Shaheed in front of large Moslem gathering that included clerics and politicians. That in itself is a knowledgeable person’s statement of belief and allegiance. The kenyan certainly knows enough about Islam and Moslems that he knows what that recitation means to Moslems all over the world. No Moslem who knows that the kenyan made the recitation publicly thinks that the kenyan is not Moslem. Much of his administration is coming to be dominated by Moslems as would be appropriate and required for a Moslem head of a non Moslem sate. By the end of a second term his entire adminisration will be Moslem to the extent that he can find enough such personnel.


16 posted on 10/24/2012 6:30:57 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: rellimpank; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; ...

Firearms up for discussion in legislature again...

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


17 posted on 10/24/2012 7:06:32 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: backwoods-engineer
They just don't get it.

Actually they do get it. They want a USA where only the police and military are armed. This is just another cynical attempt to pass more restrictions on firearms ownership by ordinary citizens under the smoke screen of "domestic violence."

18 posted on 10/24/2012 7:20:23 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: rellimpank

A much better way of dealing with this is to create a fund to buy domestic abuse victims guns and some ammo. It works wonders.


19 posted on 10/24/2012 7:23:58 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: rellimpank

Gun control worked really well on the south shore of Lake Michigan, why not try it on the west shore. /


20 posted on 10/24/2012 7:24:33 AM PDT by Straight8
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To: backwoods-engineer
They just don't get it. Recidivist maggots like this guy WILL NOT OBEY RESTRAINING ORDERS, or gun control laws. He was ordered to turn his guns in. He did not. Their idiot FBI background check didn't catch him. He took a gun into a so-called "gun-free zone", which means the law-abiding can't carry. This guy did. He killed people. The police weren't there. They got there after it was all over.

They don't care that the laws will not have the effect of stopping the perps - what they do care about is that the laws will infringe on everyone's freedoms and lead to us becoming nothing more than livestock that exist at the government's pleasure.

21 posted on 10/24/2012 7:55:57 AM PDT by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

-—I’m surprised that there hasn’t been more noise about the dreaded “private sale” which is apparently how he got what he used-—


22 posted on 10/24/2012 8:32:37 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank

Nope, I don’t see any way this could be used to abuse average folks in any way. Good job, legislators!


23 posted on 10/24/2012 8:38:51 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
A much better way of dealing with this is to create a fund to buy domestic abuse victims guns and some ammo. It works wonders.

I actually suggested this to a woman who works at a "domestic abuse shelter" (as if a bunch of unarmed yentas could shelter anybody). I even offered to pay for the first handgun, and told her I'd buy one just like the one I carry.

She had a look on her face that made me think she was in the process of peeing in her pants. True dyed-in-the-wool hoplophobe.

24 posted on 10/24/2012 9:38:43 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (My game is disruption. I will use lethal force --my vote-- in self-defense against Obama.)
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To: rellimpank

More gun control is not the answer. It is people who murder not guns.


25 posted on 10/24/2012 11:06:13 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: rellimpank

Funny when there is a black criminal, the story usually falls from the headlines pretty quickly. Once this guy was known to be black, it wasn’t national news anymore, was it? /rhetorical


26 posted on 10/24/2012 12:17:37 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama in a binder!!!)
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To: PghBaldy

—maybe have had something to do with his getting away with no charges after apparently pointing a rifle at his wife as cops observed a domestic dispute call, also-—


27 posted on 10/24/2012 12:57:57 PM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank
Read this article. There are several instances where this guy was on the police's radar and they failed to arrest him. It's almost like an American Fast and Furious: let the guy commit a crime with a gun and then we can blame the guns for the problem. Every one of the police and sheriff's deputies involved with this guy should be fired.
28 posted on 10/24/2012 3:50:10 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: rellimpank

Oh... I did not know that. Thnks.


29 posted on 10/25/2012 2:34:51 AM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama in a binder!!!)
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