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DPS helicopter opens fire during chase; 2 dead
The Monitor ^ | 25 Oct 2012 | Jacqueline Armendariz and Ildefonso Ortiz

Posted on 10/25/2012 6:45:58 PM PDT by smokingfrog

NEAR LA JOYA — A Texas Department of Public Safety sharpshooter opened fire on an evading vehicle loaded with suspected illegal immigrants, leaving at least two people dead.

A Texas Parks and Wildlife Department game warden attempted to pull over a vehicle suspected of smuggling immigrants Thursday afternoon along Farm-to-Market Road 2221.

A DPS helicopter was called in to assist in the pursuit and a sharpshooter opened fire on the evading vehicle — a policy permitted by the agency.

Once the smuggler's vehicle stopped along FM 2221 near Mile 7 Road, troopers found three people shot inside, DPS spokeswoman Katherine Cesinger said in a statement.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; banglist; bordersecurity; humansmuggling; leo; publicsafety; smuggling; txborder
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1 posted on 10/25/2012 6:45:59 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

And how is this not murder?


2 posted on 10/25/2012 6:50:00 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: smokingfrog

Notice to humans thinking of becoming an illegal immigrant in the U. S.

U. S. Citizens are a patient people. Enough is enough.

Stay in your on country.


3 posted on 10/25/2012 6:53:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama's myth is oozing out onto the floor. He's the political Lance Armstrong.)
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To: trapped_in_LA

Wait for the details before judgement please.


4 posted on 10/25/2012 6:54:25 PM PDT by IrishPennant (Dr Erkel and Mr. Jive...lurking the streets of DC)
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To: smokingfrog

My guess is that there is a lot more to this story. Don’t believe that they would fire on a vehicle from an aircraft if shots had not been fired at officers first.

I am not a bootlicker and lately have not been siding with the police and their militarist tendancies lately but this seems pretty far fetched for the failing to stop.

We will see.


5 posted on 10/25/2012 6:55:47 PM PDT by gunnut
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To: DoughtyOne

It wouldn’t happen at all if we were protecting the border enough to prevent their entry in the first place.


6 posted on 10/25/2012 6:56:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: trapped_in_LA

Sounds like good shooting to me!
Illegals are just that, NOT LEGAL in the US.
Stealing services and benefits paid for by US citizens.
Bringing illegal contraband into a sovereign nation.
Kill them at the border, instead of waiting until they invade your home.
That is the responsibility of the federal government.
Not deciding how you will receive health care.


7 posted on 10/25/2012 6:56:51 PM PDT by 9422WMR (Life is not fair, just deal with it)
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To: trapped_in_LA

Are you aware of why they were being pursued? No.

So why don’t you take a deep breath and wait to explode tomorrow, when we know the full story.


8 posted on 10/25/2012 6:57:50 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama's myth is oozing out onto the floor. He's the political Lance Armstrong.)
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To: smokingfrog

As a law abiding citizen; I’m not opposed to the helicopter dispatching heat-seeking missles and killing EVERYONE in the vehicle. When the cops put on the flashing lights and siren - that means PULL OVER. It does not give anyone license to endanger everyone else on the road.

If you want to endanger innocent American’s, who are peacefully commuting - I have no problem at all seeing you killed. That goes for teenagers out for a joy-ride, illegals, drunks, car thieves and everyone else.

It’s not like we have a shortage of humans - and we can certainly do with a lot fewer of the criminal element.


9 posted on 10/25/2012 6:58:17 PM PDT by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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To: smokingfrog

The way you negate Posse Comitatus is to turn civilian police into de facto US military.


10 posted on 10/25/2012 6:58:48 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: trapped_in_LA

[And how is this not murder?]

The rationale is that a fleeing vehicle is a danger to other motorists.


11 posted on 10/25/2012 6:58:54 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: trapped_in_LA

We don’t have enough information at this time. Seems highly unusual they would open fire unless the smugglers attacked the game warden or the DPS thought there was a high probability that the fleeing vehicle was going to kill or seriously injure someone.


12 posted on 10/25/2012 6:58:59 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: cripplecreek

Frankly, I’m verging on the position that if we have to loose a few Mexican nationals to stop our men, women, and children from having to die at their hands, it might be an equitable trade-off.

Well, we know of at least three people who won’t be driving drunk tonight.

U. S. Citizens in that area will have a little better chance of getting home alive.


13 posted on 10/25/2012 7:02:39 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Obama's myth is oozing out onto the floor. He's the political Lance Armstrong.)
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To: 9422WMR

You’ll come down with a terminal illness within 24 months.


14 posted on 10/25/2012 7:03:07 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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To: trapped_in_LA
And how is this not murder?

If they were getting shot at?

15 posted on 10/25/2012 7:04:31 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I personally don’t consider military patrolling the border to be a violation of Posse Comitatus. I fail to see how its taking on police duties when the feds have a mandate to protect the borders anyway.

The Coasties patrol the Detroit river and nobody considers it to be a violation. In fact much of what they do is the same as police do on land.


16 posted on 10/25/2012 7:04:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: smokingfrog
Public Safety sharpshooter opened fire on an evading vehicle

I don't know the facts so I will withhold judgment, but I will say that this phrase would not have been written when I was a child.

17 posted on 10/25/2012 7:04:56 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: smokingfrog

Posse comitatus comatose us.


18 posted on 10/25/2012 7:06:41 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: trapped_in_LA

We can shoot invaders.


19 posted on 10/25/2012 7:12:24 PM PDT by bmwcyle
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To: trapped_in_LA

Perhaps the Texas authorities believed the driver was reckless and would hit a family of 4 crossing an intersection.. We don’t really know, do we? Reserve judgment. I give Texas the benefit of the doubt. They look after their LEGAL CITIZENS unlike most states and our Feds which always give the illegals the benefit of the doubt.


20 posted on 10/25/2012 7:15:20 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
They look after their LEGAL CITIZENS unlike most states and our Feds which always give the illegals the benefit of the doubt.

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21 posted on 10/25/2012 7:20:27 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah yeah.. ouch, gotcha, whatever. I meant to say, “Texas is the most liberal State in the Union.” Better?


22 posted on 10/25/2012 7:24:17 PM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
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To: smokingfrog

Considering how many good people around my immediate vicinity have died at the hands of illegals (thanks to the scumbag open-border, pro-amnesty politicians, who should all be tied to a stake and set on fire), I’ll be damned if I find any fault with this story.

Pleased as punch to find it happened here in Texas! Maybe it will serve as a warning, and influence the illegals to steer clear of the Lone Star State and go instead up to some faggy, Obama-voting blue-state to do their killings. Have them rob and rape and run-down the families of the lib politicians that are so happy to empower all these illegals.


23 posted on 10/25/2012 7:25:18 PM PDT by greene66
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Denial doesn’t fix squat.


24 posted on 10/25/2012 7:26:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: steve86

“You’ll come down with a terminal illness within 24 months.”
Nice comment there steve86!
About what I would expect from a liberal “retard”!
No facts, just hateful spite.
As my grandmother said, your too stupid to pour piss from a boot with up stamped on the heel!


25 posted on 10/25/2012 7:26:49 PM PDT by 9422WMR (Life is not fair, just deal with it)
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To: cripplecreek

I think I see a pattern there.


26 posted on 10/25/2012 7:26:49 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Nothing to see here. Just another day of shooting coyotes from a helicopter. Move along.


27 posted on 10/25/2012 7:28:22 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: cripplecreek
The Coasties patrol the Detroit river and nobody considers it to be a violation.

Because it's not. The Coast Guard is not covered.

Another way the get around it is to recruit Aussies and New Zealanders.

28 posted on 10/25/2012 7:29:57 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
The Coast Guard is not covered.

And why is that?
29 posted on 10/25/2012 7:31:14 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: smokingfrog

Hang on... they shoot from helicopters now?


30 posted on 10/25/2012 7:35:33 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: trapped_in_LA

I am sure they were someones son....

“I’m not going to get into Anwar al-Alwaki’s son … I would suggest that you have a far more responsible father if they’re truly concerned about the well being of your children. I don’t think becoming an al-Qaeda jihadist terrorist is the best way to go about doing your business.”

It’s their daddy’s fault according to the White House...

hardly almost sorta kinda kidding


31 posted on 10/25/2012 7:37:09 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

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32 posted on 10/25/2012 7:38:13 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: cripplecreek
Since it enforces maritime safety, environmental and trade laws, the Coast Guard is exempt from the Posse Comitatus Act.

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/defenseandsecurity/a/Posse-Comitatus-Act-The-Military-On-The-Border.htm

33 posted on 10/25/2012 7:39:21 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: cripplecreek

I would consider the military patrolling the border as part of its constitutional duty to protect the US. And the military did in fact patrol the border many times during the last centuries and did it exceptionally well.


34 posted on 10/25/2012 7:44:54 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The law of unintended consequences is an unforgiving and vindictive b!tch!)
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To: RetiredTexasVet
I would consider the military patrolling the border as part of its constitutional duty to protect the US. And the military did in fact patrol the border many times during the last centuries and did it exceptionally well.

Exactly. Its not taking on law enforcement duties on the streets of America. ts repelling a foreign invasion. After all, what happens if we are invaded by Cuba, send the police?
35 posted on 10/25/2012 7:47:50 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: smokingfrog

I don’t mind this sort of action being taken against illegals, esp. when they endanger innocents.

The disconcerting trend is that police attacks of this nature will escalate further against US citizens. The police state no longer regards the populace as citizens, but as potential enemy combatants.


36 posted on 10/25/2012 7:48:31 PM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State)
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To: smokingfrog; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ..
Ping!

Click the keyword Aliens to see more illegal alien, border security, and other related threads.

37 posted on 10/25/2012 7:57:34 PM PDT by HiJinx (Bring back public hangings!)
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To: Hodar

You are a clear disappointment. Does your mother know you are up late tonight?


38 posted on 10/25/2012 8:05:11 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: Hodar
As a law abiding citizen; I’m not opposed to the helicopter dispatching heat-seeking missles and killing EVERYONE in the vehicle. When the cops put on the flashing lights and siren - that means PULL OVER. It does not give anyone license to endanger everyone else on the road.
If you want to endanger innocent American’s, who are peacefully commuting - I have no problem at all seeing you killed. That goes for teenagers out for a joy-ride, illegals, drunks, car thieves and everyone else.
It’s not like we have a shortage of humans - and we can certainly do with a lot fewer of the criminal element.

So you would kill people for failing to stop? You would ignore the 6th Amendment, completely?
You'd be just fine with say, a police car chasing someone down (say because of expired plates), who refuses to stop, then shoot them? ... wow.

39 posted on 10/25/2012 8:08:16 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: smokingfrog

I’m just stunned

I would expect this from nazi Germany or soviet Russia... but the US??

so much for being the last refuge on earth to run to for help against evil and tyranny

just stunned


40 posted on 10/25/2012 8:09:43 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: smokingfrog

Posse comitatus dos not apply to the USMC and it it possoble it also does not apply to the USAF, though I’m unsure.


41 posted on 10/25/2012 8:11:05 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: cripplecreek
I personally don’t consider military patrolling the border to be a violation of Posse Comitatus. I fail to see how its taking on police duties when the feds have a mandate to protect the borders anyway.

It's not Art 4, Sec 4 is clear that the federal government has a responsibility to protect the States from invasion.

The Coasties patrol the Detroit river and nobody considers it to be a violation. In fact much of what they do is the same as police do on land.

This is however, a DPS helicopter... which, IIRC, is a LEO-agency, not military. (Which only illustrates the militarization of the police.)

42 posted on 10/25/2012 8:11:19 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: GeronL

Col. Kilgore does! “This is Big Duke 6, clear the area, I’m comin’ in myself....don’t these savages ever give up?”


43 posted on 10/25/2012 8:11:43 PM PDT by bobby.223 (Retired high up in the mountains of the American Redoubt and it's a GREAT life!)
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To: OneWingedShark

I’d rather have the actual military on the border than an increasingly militarized police force.


44 posted on 10/25/2012 8:15:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

My mom’s uncle was flying border patrol out of El Paso Tx in the 1930s.


45 posted on 10/25/2012 8:26:36 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

I forgot to add he was lifetime Coast Guard.


46 posted on 10/25/2012 8:28:07 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Ignorance is bliss- I'm stoked)
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To: smokingfrog

Good shooting.


47 posted on 10/25/2012 8:32:29 PM PDT by RBK
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To: trapped_in_LA

Typical liberal kneejerk reaction.

Stay there - don’t move here.


48 posted on 10/25/2012 8:38:45 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: smokingfrog

Depending upon the details, once I knew they weren’t talking about helicopter-mounted weapons I wasn’t much concerned.


49 posted on 10/25/2012 8:39:53 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: smokingfrog

http://www.themonitor.com/news/local/article_db567d9c-1f01-11e2-9e9f-001a4bcf6878.html


50 posted on 10/25/2012 8:57:58 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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