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California egg farmers frustrated by unclear mandate over chicken cage size
The Sacramento Bee ^ | October 28, 2012 | By Jan Ferris Heenan

Posted on 10/28/2012 5:18:53 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

California voters sent a clear message four years ago when they overwhelmingly approved Proposition 2, a ballot measure banning the "cruel confinement" of certain types of farm animals.

What's followed has been nothing but confusion, complain commercial egg farmers. They're seeking certainty on what kind of enclosures for the state's 20 million laying hens will be considered legal under the law.

Proposition 2 did not provide specific dimensions for hen cages. It simply said that chickens needed to be able to perform certain behaviors, such as standing, turning and spreading their wings without bumping into the side of a cage or another hen.

The 2015 deadline to comply or face possible criminal prosecution is in the wings.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: chicken; failure; nannystate; socialism

1 posted on 10/28/2012 5:19:06 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So another industry will get moonbeamed and people will buy Arizona or Nevada eggs. The golden state becomes just plain Cal as in a “clockwork orange”.


2 posted on 10/28/2012 5:25:29 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

1728 in^3/laying hen = $0.99/dozen at the food barn.

200,000 ft^2/laying hen = $3.50/dozen from my wife.

Your choice.


3 posted on 10/28/2012 5:36:45 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Vaquero

Can’t import them either. The idiots who wrote the bill thought of that...

“The latter has caused the most confusion and concern, in part because the law covers not only eggs laid in California, the nation’s fifth-largest producer, but those brought in from out of state.”


4 posted on 10/28/2012 5:39:29 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: WorkingClassFilth

.99


5 posted on 10/28/2012 5:51:56 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: ltc8k6

Suicidal idjits. Wealth is leaving in droves.


6 posted on 10/28/2012 5:54:50 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth

Is it safe to assume your wife wrote and promoted this law?


7 posted on 10/28/2012 5:54:54 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Obama: Brought to you by the letter "O" and the number 16 trillion.)
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To: ltc8k6

What about things that are made with eggs, like bread and Leggos?


8 posted on 10/28/2012 5:55:56 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Obama: Brought to you by the letter "O" and the number 16 trillion.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The solution is readily apparent. To assure adequate size, simply bribe the cage measurer.


9 posted on 10/28/2012 5:56:06 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: WorkingClassFilth
When planning the construction of my chicken tractor, I found the guidelines to state; 1 - 3 sq.ft. inside and 2-4 sq. ft. outside.

My mobile chicken coop is 4X8X6 coop w/ 12X8X7 run (fenced in)

Very clever and utilitarian design if I do say so myself ... and I DO say so myself.

10 posted on 10/28/2012 6:05:04 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: bert

Or just quit using eggs. We could import Mayor Bloomberg to clamp down on evil eggs.


11 posted on 10/28/2012 6:06:30 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (Superciliousness is the essence of Obama)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

They have to have bigger packages...


12 posted on 10/28/2012 6:07:16 AM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: ltc8k6

I was responding to a comment about requiring out of state egg producers to comply with the California law. Specifically, if an out of state baker uses eggs that do not comply with California law, can he sell his products in California? This law might actually hurt commercial egg consumers as much as California egg producers.

What, after all is a chicken? An egg’s way of making another egg.


13 posted on 10/28/2012 6:22:22 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Obama: Brought to you by the letter "O" and the number 16 trillion.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
What about things that are made with eggs, like bread and Leggos?

Bread will soon require handmade brick ovens powered by the sun to be baked in.
And donkeys can no longer be used to haul water or supplies.

Legislators think they must do something about everything.
So here ya go, they're doing something.

14 posted on 10/28/2012 6:24:02 AM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

-——What, after all is a chicken?——

Is a fried egg an aborted chicken?


15 posted on 10/28/2012 6:31:47 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: bert

No, a fried chicken is an aborted egg.


16 posted on 10/28/2012 6:59:46 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Obama: Brought to you by the letter "O" and the number 16 trillion.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“spreading their wings without bumping into the side of a cage or another hen.”

Cut off their wings as soon as they hatch!

Current cage is now big enough!!


17 posted on 10/28/2012 7:04:28 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Vaquero

The egg opertions will leave California and take their jobs with them.

The cost of eggs will go up in the Calif markets for the consumer because the cost of transporting them from a longer distance will have to be re-captured.

California—you just never seem to learn about the laws you want passed.

I remember a big flap years ago in Los Angeles about the fact that dry cleaners charged more for a woman’s blouse than a man’s shirt.

There isn’t a person in America above the age of 9 who doesn’t realize that women’s blouses are far more complicated to press than a man’s shirt.

But—sure enough, the women who wanted to push this, must have thought they would get the cost of their dry cleaning dropped. They sure were going to handcuff those dry cleaning establishments!!!

Of course, that didn’t happen.

The cost of a man’s shirt was RAISED and now both members of the household —wife & husband — pay the higher rate.

That was a complete backfire & this egg cage crap is on the same track.

I once worked for the largest egg producer west of the Mississippi.

They employed over 750 in 7 states, but most were in California, IIRC.

Kiss those jobs goodbye.


18 posted on 10/28/2012 8:07:07 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

PS:

I will add that in Nevada, there is no corp or personal income tax. Same in Texas.

The facilities would cost less because of the lower cost of land & property taxes.

I hadn’t realized that the law also covers eggs produced outside the state.

I don’t think they can enforce that.

IF they can enforce that—let’s look at all the items that will disappear from the grocery shelves:

Eggs—Egg noodles/pasta—Chickens—Chicken soup fo all kinds—Anything which is prepared with eggs, such as the dough in certain base items like frozen pizza.

I am sure others here on FR could make a much larger list.

This is just plain crazy, but it is a PERFECT example of the power that the Enviros & Greenies have over the voting populace of California.

When there are no more eggs or chickens in your local supermarket, look at yourself for voting such crap in the first place.

When your local KFC or El Pollo Loco is no longer there, blame yourself. When you can no longer get your tasty Egg McMuffin or a chicken sandwich at McDonald’s—blame yourself.

None of you ever worked at McDonald’s—KFC—the local grocery store??? You are putting more & more people out of work and drawing down tax revenues. Almost every fast food outlet sells something with chicken in it. Where will your kids & grandkids get that all important first job???

Another nail in California’s self-built coffin, IMO.


19 posted on 10/28/2012 8:21:48 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Vaquero

Nothing wrong with that. God bless America.


20 posted on 10/28/2012 3:45:56 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Nah. We don’t want any kind of intrusion. However, the market exists for high quality eggs (and these are high quality - orange yellow yolks and terrific tasting) and we try to make feed costs from that market segment. Excess production goes to families in need.


21 posted on 10/28/2012 3:48:40 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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To: knarf

I may build a tractor for bed cleaning next season. For the most part, they range through four paddocks and graduate in late season to unlimited range. Haven’t lost one to a predator yet but they also have a snug, bullet-proof coop they head for before the sun goes down. No vampire problems, either.


22 posted on 10/28/2012 3:52:19 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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