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Skip to comments.BOMBSHELL: US Forces Would Not Have Been Painting Targets on Ground Unless Air Support Overhead
Posted on 10/28/2012 4:10:13 PM PDT by Truthhunter1
...Then theres this bombshell at BlackFive from a former Delta operator:
Having spent a good bit of time nursing a GLD (ground Laser Designator) in several garden spots around the world, something from the report jumped out at me.
One of the former SEALs was actively painting the target. That means that Specter WAS ON STATION! Probably an AC130U. A ground laser designator is not a briefing pointer laser. You do not paint a target until the weapons system/designator is synched; which means that the AC130 was on station.
Only two places could have called off the attack at that point; the WH situation command (based on POTUS direction) or AFRICOM commander based on information directly from the target area.
If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.
If that SEAL was actively painting a target; something was on station to engage! And the decision to stand down goes directly to POTUS!
This is HUGE. It should be obvious by now that someone is not telling the truth.
As Blackfive says,
This is bigger than Watergate!
The worst has to be the team on the ground knowing that the President just left you to die.
(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...
Bombshell fatigue...why did it HAVE to be an AC-130 —tell me that.
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In case you didn’t make it to the MEAT of the article:
... General Ham as head of Africom received the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the Pentagon that he had a unit ready.
General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his command.
The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham’s place as the head of Africom.
obama had to be very cautious, you know
Some of his campaign donors might have been in that attacking force
Says AC-130 had to be on station, THEN says an armed Predator was there....inconsistent and speculative without being honest about it.
They’re taking a totally legit scandal and Alex Jones/Art Bell-ing it to death.
This thread is already here and long and great. Join it
Maybe one of the drones had some birds.
A ten to twenty second burst would have made a large difference.
Stop Jihad Now! (Zer0 is FOR Jihad.)
Tough weekend for the liberal media. Benghazi is way worse than Iran Contra. Benghazi is way worse than DESERT ONE. Benghazi is way worse than Watergate. And it’s all Democrat. Oh, the dream has died. Switching the tv on and off, hoping beyond hope that FOX News doesn’t run a story about who has been giving money to the Democrats to set the Middle East on fire. Would they really throw the Secretary of State and the President, our “higher plane” President, into prison? “What’s going to happen to me when everyone realizes I’ve been covering for criminals? Is that considered ‘accessory’?”
Chris Wallace asked Senator Warner about that and he wouldn’t answer if the drones were armed
This Anti-Colonialist doesn’t want to admit we had power over Libya, and he certainly didn’t want to send troops in!
No, it said that a Spectre was **probably** on station but if, as Panetta says, it never scrambled, then it was an armed Predator. Bottom line: there is no painting of a target without there being SOMETHING real nearby ready to drop ordnance...and somebody VERY high up stopped it. I, too, would like to see firm evidence on this and other aspects up this f’ed up tragedy, but POTUS and his crew are desperately trying to classify everything to prevent it from blowing up pre-election. This means that all ANYONE can do is speculate, unless they’re in the know and wish to risk a court martial or criminal charges.
“I told them to secure our personnel and do what we need to”
What kind of a directive is that based on what was going on at the time? That sounds more like a statement that has gone through 10 or 15 lawyers before it was even said.
Any executive that would give such a “directive” should get an “F” because it doesn’r really say much of anything. It is a statement that can later be twisted this way and that.
It in no way gives anyone any idea what to do. “Do what we need to” what the hell does that mean?
Just put those comments in place of some of our most famous moments in history where the Commander in Chief needed to act decisively. He didn’t say that. If he did how did anyone (subordinate) know “what we need to do” means?
Is “what we need to do” mean NOTHING?
Maybe so. Maybe after a 5 pm conversation with Panetta and the General they decided that what they need to do is NOTHING. Then the Directive was given. “Do what we need to do”. Panetta interpreted it as NOTHING.
Calm down, we’ll get this all sorted out after Nov 6. /s
Obama couldnt be bothered with these details, he had a campaign event to attend.
LOL. Is a reboot the same as a reset?
This is bigger than Watergate!
Watergate was a stupid endeavor that should not have happened. Nixon didn’t even know about when it took place.
Nixon covered up for his subordinates, which was a mistake, and it led to his downfall. the press was all over it. if Nixon would have not had tried to cover it up, he would have got off.
Where are the “press” today? with few exceptions, they are aiding and abetting the coverup. Fox and some others, excluded, of course.
Sen. Goldwater (whom I loved) “the Statesman” told the president that the jig was up and he could either resign or be impeached. He placed his love of the country above His party.
Nixon could no longer be trusted. of course the clintoon did even worse.
find me a statesman that is a ‘rat? should i write a letter to sen. turban durbin (I call him dirtbag dick durbin, but turbin durbin seems to be what those on FR prefer) and expect an answer? is he a statesman? think not
there is NO MAN OR WOMAN in the ‘rat party that will put America first over their socialist/communist/islamic kissing party.
When I linked to it originally, (on Friday, October 26, 2012 4:20:19 PM by Sir Napsalot), there were only 9 comments. Now the comments grew to over 80. Be sure to read to the end of the BlackFive comment thread. Especially don't miss the following one
Duck Bank said in reply to D... (October 28, 2012 at 04:34 AM)
"Tonight on The Dark and Secret Place radio show, hosted by Desert Storm, Kosovo, and OIF veteran Bryan Suits on KFI AM 640, Los Angeles, he had a former member of the Combatant Commanders In-Extremis Force. This guy said that the CIF is a "green light" organization that is automatically readied for exactly the sort of circumstance that was happening in Benghazi.
He said Panetta is lying, because the CIF is sent in regardless of what's known. On his previous missions, he'd gone in only knowing that there was an attack happening. Benghazi had the largest bonanza of information he ever would've encountered in his career: real-time overhead video, exact locations, number of enemy involved, and number of people to rescue.
He also said that there was no mission to which the CIF would not be committed. Their job is to go in and kill as many of the enemy as possible when our people are in extremis, which means every man in the unit fully expects to face daunting, even overwhelming odds. That's their job. The risk to them is not a consideration, because they spend all their time training, firing off unbelievable amounts of ammunition and preparing for exactly this mission.
Suits said he won't reveal their mode of travel, but he said they could've been in Benghazi much faster than most people realize.
In short, both Suits and this former member of the CIF said that everything we're hearing is a lie. The "fog of war" excuse is a lie, and so is the claim that it would've been too risky to send in any troops.
Panetta also said he conferred with General Ham, but two weeks after the attack Ham said in an interview nobody asked him whether or not to send in troops.
And now the AP is reporting that there were 150 attackers in technicals with antiaircraft machine guns.
That means Obama, Panetta, Hillary, Biden, and Dempsey all watched this massive assault unfold in real time, did nothing about it except send eight doomed security contractors from Tripoli, and then lied about it ever since.
Regardless 'target painted' or not, we KNOW Panetta lied. And who else?
I ok ya used four astericks to highlight the word, “probably”, a word indicating honesty about what was known or unknown. In WHICH paragraph in the original can you cite use of that word...?
I agree this is a huuuuuge scandal. I agree Obama is at fault.
Great reporting, there.
Long ago I was a SEAL officer... (his post at link)
To summarize them both; these CIF teams and other assets don't sit on the ground waiting for a 'go' order. They get in the air or water and make as much time towards the target as possible while the bigwigs decide what to do.
“If the AC130 never left Sigonella (as Penetta says) that means that the Predator that was filming the whole thing was armed.”
When one or more sides are lying, different partially-consistent hypotheses become in play. According to the Delta person, if someone was painting a target, that means a weapon was on scene and ready to fire at said painted target. But no attack happened, therefore, an order to stand down had to have been issued, and it could only have come from a high place.
Had a good chuckle after reading your bio. ; ) The dogs are awesome.
Careful here, this isn’t a slam dunk. You can paint a target for a LATER strike. This is key, but not the key.
I should point out that the term "consulate" is a misnomer - THIS WAS NOT A CONSULATE.
I read an article that said this: A consulate has a "consul": a permanent diplomat dealing with visas and there for citizens of the represented country.
Benghazi was not such a place. It was a "mission". This article explained that the govt people had not used teh term "consulate" but had let the press get away with it.
So, what was the purpose of the "mission" ? I think the gun-running angle has already been mentioned.
We should alert this thread to as many ping list (you think would be interested) as possible.
Spread it wide, so that even the civvies will have the WH COVER UP on their minds.
The Obama ad with Morgan Freeman narrating was just on and something in that ad just made me very angry. It says:
“... four years later, our enemies have been brought to justice. Our heroes are coming home...”
Obviously, the recent events in Benghazi show that enemies have not been brought to justice and our current Administration believes in leaving our heroes behind and ignore repeated requests for help.
I can’t believe that OUR COUNTRY would EVER do something like this. Please tell me this is just a dream...a nightmare that will end soon. Because part of my nightmare is telling me that an election is about to be stolen and current coward in chief is going to have another 4 years.
Hmmm. Interesting. If he didn't know he most likely would have said "I don't know" wouldn't he?
are people shocked that 0bama wouldn’t harm Muslims or that he deliberately caused, thru inaction, the deaths of American citizens and military personnel?
we’ve been saying he’s an anti-American commie for 4 years. what did they think we meant?
What would be the use of painting a target, unless there was an asset in the sky capable of observing and acting upon the paint?
And how much later? Later enough to ask, "Mr. President, we've locked onto some bad Mooselimbs lobbing mortar shells at our SEALs. Ok if we waste 'em?" I would think the position of a mortar crew would be very perishable information.
FWIW the term 'diplomatic mission' has been around for a long time and is used to refer to any outpost of the State Dept. or the diplomatic corps themselves.
Everytime I read that it brings tears to my eyes...
I think Obama is toast. Liberals I know are in a very defeated state of mind, their fear is palpable. I think it has been Romney’s race since his stellar performance in the first debate, where America learned Romney was not the caricature the Obama campaign had portrayed him as. Even Obama has been flailing about since then, grasping for an issue. Cheating has always happened, it can push a point or two, but I’m starting to sense a Romney by 8 or 10 scenario. Cheating can’t over come that. It’s ground game time now, and even the weather is not cooperating with the liberals. They can’t go to the Eastern States they need, like Virginia, and don’t know if the Blue States in New England will even have electricity on election day. They are definitely panicked.
I too see how it looks as if Romney is moving toward victory. I just worry about rampant cheating going on that could steal enough votes in any one of the states that could give a lump of electoral votes to the coward in chief.
I’m from WA state where the Dems in one county of our state have stolen enough votes to turn statewide elections before.
I think so.
I think they want this thing kept under wraps until the election
I have seen all kinds of voting machine irreggularities and vote scams in North Carolina, Colorado and Nevada
Voter fraud has to be done covertly. My feeling is that their is simply too much needed at this point to keep it underwraps. I’m in Fla. so I too have seen a lot of fraud. I’ll never forget 2000.