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Exasperation builds on Day 3 in storm-stricken NYC
AP via Yahoo News ^ | 11/1/12 | LEANNE ITALIE and MEGHAN BARR

Posted on 11/01/2012 6:13:53 PM PDT by Kartographer

In darkened neighborhoods, people walked around with miner's lamps on their foreheads and bicycle lights clipped to shoulder bags and, in at least one case, to a dog's collar. A Manhattan handyman opened a fire hydrant so people could collect water to flush toilets. "You can clearly tell at the office, or even walking down the street, who has power and who doesn't," said Jordan Spiro, who lives in the blackout zone. "New Yorkers may not be known as the friendliest bunch, but take away their ability to shower and communicate and you'll see how disgruntled they can get."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New Jersey; US: New York
KEYWORDS: humannature; perparedness; preparedness; preppers; prepping
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To: SaraJohnson

I do, too. Many of the people never anticipated the storm surge.


41 posted on 11/01/2012 7:49:55 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: DJ MacWoW

The water is going to be something else for a number of days. At least he has work!


42 posted on 11/01/2012 7:51:15 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: onyx

I think he’d like to sleep. He’s only getting catnaps.


43 posted on 11/01/2012 7:54:59 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: ncpatriot
It is time for the brains of this country to learn how to deal with these disasters,

The brains of this country do know how to deal with the disasters. What in the Wide, Wide, World of Sports does that have to do with how the government or city folks deal with it?

The common theme is follow the 1950s government publications about preparing for trouble (of any kind), and figure on 3 days minimum response if you aren't hanging naked from a tree in the middle of a raging river.

Back in the day, Civil Defense did a good job of teaching and prepping. Then we became sophisticated, and didn't need it any more.

/johnny

44 posted on 11/01/2012 7:58:31 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Starstruck
even the unexpected can come upon those that are prepared for almost anything

True. And they would be dead.

Drop me (not too hard) in most of North America, and I can get by for 3 days. In a month I'll be living fairly comfortably.

No flush toilets, or stuff like that, but the basics, shelter, heat, water, food, clothing.

I like having stuff. I don't require stuff to survive. I have a mindset and the skillsets to survive. Wilderness is harder than urban, considering the concentration of resources.

I don't even require a knife. I can make one.

Can you identify the rocks that will make a suitable cutting edge?

/johnny

45 posted on 11/01/2012 8:06:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Donnafrflorida
I am originally from philly. lived thru 1977 or 1978 blizzard . 8 foot snow drifts. EL and subways shut down. I got it but many AREWoefully unprepared and too many expect gov to parachute in on hour two.

I remember that winter and the one before. There were three storms. Pittsburgh set record temps in January at -20 and did not get back above freezing until the mid March (thaw). I was a student at Pitt and remember walking back and forth from south Oakland. That was just one of the clues that got me thinking about preparedness.
46 posted on 11/01/2012 8:09:58 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer

I went to CMU. I remember sitting in physics, bundled up, trying to take notes with gloves on. Like the class wasn’t challenging enough and it was “Physics for Humanities Majors.”


47 posted on 11/01/2012 8:20:08 PM PDT by pops88 (Geek chick standing with Breitbart for truth)
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To: RummyChick; NautiNurse; NELSON111; AFPhys; Kartographer

They may get hit again.

http://www.rsmas.miami.edu/blog/2012/11/01/potential-big-storm-for-northeast-u-s-next-week/

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OMG, not again......


48 posted on 11/01/2012 8:21:32 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
How does that work?

One possibility is the lines are the low level of the system. Many apartment high rise buildings require pumps to get the water to the roof tanks. No electricity and then no water.
49 posted on 11/01/2012 8:22:29 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Exactly.

What I find ironic in all this is how much time the media and people around NYC/NJ have sniffed and tut-tutted at those of us who are prepared for turd->turbine collisions as “hicks” and “nutjobs.....” and now they don’t understand even WHY they’re going to be without power for at least a week. They can’t even tell you how electrical power is generated or transmitted.

Every time there’s a big storm, we hear calls by uppity liberal arts majors to bury the power lines... and now we have a city with mostly buried power infrastructure that is royally screwed when water (and salt water at that) got into their oh-so-cleverly buried power infrastructure. Let’s leave that oh-so-brilliant dependency on public transportation out of the picture for right now - the subways will likely take a couple months to fully restore (at a great expense, I might add), just getting the power infrastructure back online is going to be a huge feat.

A city of mostly liberal arts majors and welfare dependents in this situation shows what the value of some hard asset skills are.

But they won’t learn. They’ll never bother learning that you can forge a nice knife out of the leaf springs of cars - and that they have lots of cars around them now that aren’t ever going to go anywhere again. Never mind that lots of those cars are filled with at least some fuel that can be decanted off the water in their tanks... never mind that someone could be pulling the alternators out of cars to make makeshift gensets to recharge batteries and such, or that someone could be making makeshift heaters. Nah. Much easier to complain very loudly.

BTW, in my area of Wyoming, I’d be looking for obsidian. Makes tools that are holy-crap sharp. There are recently discovered sites around Wyoming where it is thought that the Indians had “edge factories” - they had nice outcroppings of the rocks/stones that made nice edges and tools and they’d hang out there for weeks at a time, with skilled flintknappers just cranking out one arrow/spear point or knife after another. I’ve spent a little bit of time with a guy who can crank out a very serviceable arrow head in literally five minutes. He thinks that the Indians were at least as skilled as he is and that losing a stone knife for them was a fairly minor annoyance, since it took them only a hike to find the suitable rocks and in no more than 20 minutes after locating said rock(s), they had just about anything they wanted.


50 posted on 11/01/2012 8:24:25 PM PDT by NVDave
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To: RummyChick

The stereotypical New Yorker is not going to have a lot of patience with this disaster.


Sadly, tossing a fit won’t change anything. It’s going to take time. I hope they can get the power, water and sewers working quickly. They should have MRI’s and bottled water there very soon - like now.

It’s cold, the flood water is filthy and with the water not working, they will get sick. :(


52 posted on 11/01/2012 8:26:02 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: pops88
I went to CMU. I remember sitting in physics, bundled up, trying to take notes with gloves on. Like the class wasn’t challenging enough and it was “Physics for Humanities Majors.”

I remember that. I had a couple of classes in the Cathedral. I did not get warm until May. They had fires going in the fireplaces on the first floor. There was just no heat. I learned that fireplaces were pretty much useless. The only place I could get warm was Friday nights at Craig's Street Inn. Beer for $2 a pitcher. ;-)
53 posted on 11/01/2012 8:28:42 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT
Skyscrapers and other tall buildings need to lift their water to the higher floors. Older buildings have water tanks on their roofs which are filled gradually and then used to maintain pressure. Since there is no electricity, I imagine there is not much water pressure above the first few stories.
54 posted on 11/01/2012 8:35:18 PM PDT by Woodman
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To: onyx

I expected the surge because that storm looked like Ike that came into Texas. :(


55 posted on 11/01/2012 8:35:34 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Kartographer

This is going to become a bigger disaster than Katrina, because the lack of food, clean water, electricity and severely hampered transportation will comboine to produce a whopper of an epidemic...especially since another system looks to be coming through in a few days.

My mother has been in the hospital in central NJ for the last 30 or so hours - and hasn’t seen a single cardiologist because none of them can be reached. Luckily, the 23 docs are good, and she should get out tomorrow. She even enjoyed thw warmth and the TV, because there’s none at home.

The only positive here is that this is a big, in-your-face teachable moment. Millions, and not just in the Northeast, will take prepping more seriously and actually store a few days or couple weeks of food and water, plus have more batteries, camp stoves with propane, gas, tarps, blankets, etc. Even Bill O’Reilly was talking earlier today about not relying on the government in an emergency.


56 posted on 11/01/2012 8:36:26 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (Why do blacks think that a half-white multi-millionairre really cares about them?)
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To: Ancesthntr

“Luckily, the 23 docs are good....”

Uh, ER docs.

Fat fingers and no preview will do that.


57 posted on 11/01/2012 8:44:44 PM PDT by Ancesthntr (Why do blacks think that a half-white multi-millionairre really cares about them?)
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To: PA Engineer
No electricity and then no water.

People burning candles in high-rises. I can't believe people aren't talking about the fire danger.

58 posted on 11/01/2012 8:44:44 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: NVDave
I've used obsidian. Broken window glass, rubbed on rock to dull everything you don't want cutting, and sharpened on the same rock isn't as good, but nearly, and we don't have obsidian here.

I've even used bamboo for a cutting edge/pointy thing, but you gotta be careful. It will bite you in a heartbeat.

I prefer to not try surviving in true wilderness like where you live (without preparation), because it's a heck of a lot harder. Even when I did the mountain man thing, you would run across old bottles, arrowheads, pieces of iron wire, etc...

Just takes a mindset and a game face.

/johnny

59 posted on 11/01/2012 8:46:40 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: driftdiver

Can’t - no gas. Sucks. ;-)


60 posted on 11/01/2012 8:49:38 PM PDT by VRWCer ( They will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. - ML King)
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