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About That 'Facility' ( Benghazi )
American Thinker ^ | November 1, 2012 | Bill Schanefelt

Posted on 11/01/2012 6:46:40 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

As was noted on AT recently, a retired State Department Foreign Service Officer said: "Our Benghazi facility was a half-baked operation. It was not a consulate. It was a 'facility' with an ambiguous purpose, at least as far as the unclassified world is concerned."

If it was not a consulate, then it was not sovereign United States territory.  This fact has important legal consequences -- as was only just touched upon (at ~13:00, but pick up at ~10:00 for full context) by Newt Gingrich on Fox News in his appearance on Greta Van Susteren's Oct. 30 show (caution: auto-play).

One of these consequences may be that the United States had no "legal" authority under international law unilaterally to violate sovereign Libyan airspace by sending in a military force or by engaging attackers with U.S. aircraft, irrespective of the fact that U.S. citizens, including an ambassador, were the ones being attacked.

The purpose of this "facility" and its associated "safe-house" is increasingly becoming less ambiguous, as J.D. Longstreet points out:

That CIA "safe-house" has troubled me from the very beginning. ... What was the CIA doing there? There was no embassy in Benghazi. In fact, the building attacked was not even a consulate. If anything, it was a "mission" ... this was NOT an embassy.

It no longer reasonably can be denied that what was going on in Benghazi was "Fast and Furious in the Maghreb" being run by Ambassador Stevens, et al. at the direction of "fill in the blank."

He continues:

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 20120911; benghazi; libya; shadowwars; threatmatrix
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For some interesting reading....the R2P PDF:

The Responsibility to Protect:
challenges & opportunities in light of the Libyan intervention

21 posted on 11/01/2012 7:21:07 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Did we have legal authority to fly into Pakistan and nab OBL?


22 posted on 11/01/2012 7:23:03 PM PDT by Choozer
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The notion that calling a site a consulate or a facility makes some legal difference and that difference means standing and watching from the property line is just nuts.
Just plain nuts.


23 posted on 11/01/2012 7:25:36 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: onyx

Have You Heard About ‘Spigot Cities’ That May Pump Votes to Obama?

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/have-you-heard-about-spigot-cities-that-may-pump-votes-to-obama/


24 posted on 11/01/2012 7:26:54 PM PDT by Nachum (The List was hacked- www.nachumlist.com)
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To: onyx
OK....doing a cut and paste job here:

******************************

All about :

CBA--Cross Border Authority

Be sure and listen to the final seconds....

Guess I need to put the Link here again:

podcast--11-1 Matt Bracken

25 posted on 11/01/2012 7:30:43 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

What is the current status of those two facilities? Do we own them, or are they unprotected?


26 posted on 11/01/2012 7:31:38 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Marine_Uncle

Well,....I know about that....I can’t always remember where I laid my glasses down 10 minutes ago.


27 posted on 11/01/2012 7:32:50 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: blueunicorn6

Well....the survivors were evacuated....who would be watching it?


28 posted on 11/01/2012 7:37:21 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Former Proud Canadian

I guess that makes it allright to go in and murder the Ambassador.

Whats all the fuss about?


29 posted on 11/01/2012 7:37:28 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Nachum

YES, disgusting and outrageous.


30 posted on 11/01/2012 7:39:21 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thank you very much, sweet Ernest!


31 posted on 11/01/2012 7:40:15 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: TigersEye
Wouldn't we have the 'right under international law'

Except that, since there is no "international sovereign" and no "international lawgiver"(legislature), there is no such thing as international "law".

THIS is the only law we need:


32 posted on 11/01/2012 7:44:02 PM PDT by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: onyx

....Now I do like that...that is so nice of you.


33 posted on 11/01/2012 7:46:44 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Venturer
Nope, not in the least.

The fact that it wasn't a consulate really doesn't change anything for me. You put your men in there, doesn't matter if they had diplomatic "cover" or not. If AQ sends a hundred guys to attack your guys, you have to save them. Forget legalities and optics.

34 posted on 11/01/2012 7:57:23 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I thought that was American soil. Do we let thugs just kick us off our property these days? Why haven’t we sent in the tanks to secure these places?


35 posted on 11/01/2012 8:00:53 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Let alone 20 or more. :) I almost forgot a few minutes before ten to haul the 5 liter box wine of Chianti out of the refrigerator. Horrors. Total horror story.


36 posted on 11/01/2012 8:02:33 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: Jim Noble

That historically is the Soverign opinion....but the Globalist crowd is spinning a new scheme...see my post #21 above regarding R2P—Responsibility to Protect.


37 posted on 11/01/2012 8:03:54 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: Marine_Uncle
If you are flying hard what is the longevity of that 5 liter box?
38 posted on 11/01/2012 8:07:32 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: onyx; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Jim Robinson
Jim Robinson should be shipping free cases of Chianti per month to Ernest for the relentless service he performs here.
Then again, perhaps he would not be so relentless. :)
39 posted on 11/01/2012 8:09:17 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned.)
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To: blueunicorn6
Embassies are American Soil,....not sure about Consulates.

CIA does stuff off of American soil.

40 posted on 11/01/2012 8:09:41 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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