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The shape of things to come (John Derbyshire on the future of the GOP)
John Derbyshire ^ | November 9, 2012 | John Derbyshire

Posted on 11/09/2012 10:02:38 AM PST by Zhang Fei

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To: cripplecreek

You do know that Jim DeMint is a senator.


21 posted on 11/09/2012 10:52:00 AM PST by OldPossum
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To: Zhang Fei

> you vote in accordance with race and religion.

Very true. And this time race was not a factor, it was the few million gonadal and religious voters that stayed home because Romney was Mormon and didn’t force rape victims to carry their rapist infected embryo.

I’ll add that people also vote or abstain in accordance with their intelligence.


22 posted on 11/09/2012 10:57:39 AM PST by soycd
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To: cripplecreek
I just think we need to stop the divisive crap and get back to work or the democrats will bowl us over like we weren’t even here.

Right now we need to join together and apply the whip to the speaker of the house.


Preach it.
23 posted on 11/09/2012 10:59:44 AM PST by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: cripplecreek
Right now we need to join together and apply the whip to the speaker of the house.

We'll have to agree to disagree..

I say we need to apply the boot to the Weepers back side.


24 posted on 11/09/2012 11:02:38 AM PST by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: Zhang Fei
GOPBUDGETKIT
25 posted on 11/09/2012 11:06:15 AM PST by FrankR (They will become our ultimate masters the day we surrender the 2nd Amendment.)
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To: Jane Long

Yeah, but boots don’t flay chunks of flesh off the backside.


26 posted on 11/09/2012 11:07:34 AM PST by RichInOC (Palin 2016: The Perfect Storm.)
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To: arkfreepdom

“Sex will take care of the racial divides.”

That’s a great idea. Wait a minute. Isn’t Obama racially mixed? And how do most racially mixed people vote?


27 posted on 11/09/2012 11:24:55 AM PST by Silver Sabre
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To: Zhang Fei
Thanks for clarifying this earlier.

I only had the one post on this thread, there was no "earlier".

28 posted on 11/09/2012 11:26:29 AM PST by ansel12 (Todd Akin was NOT the tea party candidate, Sarah Steelman was, Brunner had tea party support also.)
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To: Zhang Fei
Barack Obama wasn't re-elected by blacks, Hispanics, or Asians, though they helped at the margins; he was re-elected by Yankees.

And the GOP-E country clubbers have a Yankee mindset as well (trust me, I know, I come from a family of such and was fortunate to have grown up away from the Northeast). That has always been the problem with the GOP-E - even as it is in a separate party than the Dems, their views overlap with the Dems more than their views overlap those of conservatives. Hence the fact that Romney went far more negative against his primary opponents than he did against Obama - it was a much more natural reaction for his GOP-E campaign operatives.

29 posted on 11/09/2012 11:38:28 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: DustyMoment

Two election cycles? More like six. With the fastest growth in new entitlement and social spending since LBJ, GWB was no conservative.

Just because a Republican politician says he is a conservative and Democrats say he is a conservative does not mean that he really is a conservative.


30 posted on 11/09/2012 11:45:53 AM PST by Skepolitic
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To: Zhang Fei

I want them to believe in it and stay home!

On the general subject, once upon a time we believed we could teach immigrants to be Americans, including non-whites. Today we fail to even teach multi-generation WASPs to be Americans. I do not believe either to be impossible, however.

It isn’t going to end well if it continues in our current direction. A financial crash followed by a strongman is the result, historically.


31 posted on 11/09/2012 11:54:35 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: Zhang Fei

This post is written in anger and frustration.

Angry that we continue to follow the Republican Party’s elite ignorance. A party that continues to pull defeat from the jaws of victory characterized by pompous fools who fulfill the sterotype built by the left.

Frustrated that the reality of politics is this: There will be no third party capable of competing with the coalition constructed by the dems. As a result, true conservatives MUST take steps to irradicate the ignorance of the Republican Party while still adhering to the core values of our forefathers (beliefs that I discovered are considered extreme by over half of my countrymen last night, BTW).

I have no solve for exactly how to accomplish this. Only advice based on a long military career in several foreign lands for how to defeat the dems once this is accomplished.

This thought process is based on the concept of irregular warfare with twists thrown in here and there for good measure.

With that, I provide the following advice for the good of the order.

LEADERSHIP: The old crew has proven either incompotent or outdated. McConnell and Boerner must go. They represent a failed plan to defend and resist without clearly explaining their position. They are content with looking like the bad guys and face public scorn when they don’t realize how important it is to manipulate a clearly left leaning MSM. They represent the failure of the last four years to our own and obstructionists to the opposition. We’ve got to show a new face to the nation. That is the genesis of rebuilding this movement. Ryan or Cantor in the House, Rubio or Demint in the Senate.

They represent a change in a party that has been beaten soundly in the last two elections by a charlatan and his traveling circus. A fresh choice in leadership represents change you can TRULY beleive in from every angle.

GROUND GAME: It is IMPERATIVE to develop and foster an intricate ground game. It requires a MICRO-ANALYSIS of every county, every city, and every early and absentee ballot by demographic to find how how, why, and with what method they voted. Give it to the dems on their “community organizing” machine. We don’t need to reinvent that model. we MUST develop our own.

It will require an insurgent effort at the ground level. An infiltration into dem areas that we identify are weak or vulnerable to start cutting in to the blue.

This isn’t as difficult as it sounds. It requires a patient and immediate effort that starts with the post election analysis.

The COIN (insurgeny/counterinsurgency)effort would include the identification of these areas, the inflitration of the areas through churches and charitable organizations AND PARTICULARLY THROUGH EDUCATION.

I’m not talking about traditional public schools and universities. I’m talking about the new way to educate - the online universities, the trade schools and nightschools. Corporate allies need to invest and educate with the ideals of economic and fiscal conservatism.

The RNC needs to lead and develop this effort. A novice like me can see that there is a disconnect between the voting habits of catholic-dominated hispanics and baptist blacks and their actual stated values. That disconnect can be exploited if it is done slowly, deliberately, and effectively.

INFORMATION WARFARE: We are ATROCIOUS AT THIS. Dems get a simple message out early and often. They poison the well and we are left to change minds rather than get the initial impression right from jump. We constantly play defense and think we are sooooo clever when dems (as they ALWAYS do) do something stupid or illegal.

We ABSOLUTELY MUST be proactive. We must attack at EVERY OPPORTUNITY then add each fail of the dems to a trend and theme. These themes must be simple, tailored, and repetitively broadcast to each target demographic.

We must look out beyond the 5 and 10 meter targets. We’ve got to effectively interpret what the dem message is on the horizon and confront it at all levels - from the national MSM level filtering directly down to the target group level. Even I can see what the talking points of the upcoming week are by watching the Sunday talking head programs. Defense is unacceptable. Attack, attack, attack.

This is only one part of an overall information operation plan that is constant in a simple party message and what it means to each target group.

WE DON’T DO THAT WELL. WHY NOT?

I find it unbelievable that Obama has hijacked the reputation and imagery of the Party of Lincoln. COIN operations involve a very in depth understanding of cultural idocyncracies and how best to exploit them to our advantage. It’s not a “wool-over-the-eyes” approach or a “free shit” approach like the dems sell. THAT ALWAYS COMES UP SHORT.

It’s a sell based on how it effects each target group and what it means to them. If it’s done right, I am CONFIDENT that the tenets of conservatism sell themselves.

In Civil Miltary Operations, assistance in areas that seem unrelated builds trust in the agency. Granted, there’s a fine line between assistance and the giving of free shit but, the special operations forces walk that line well. It can be done. Community outreach in areas that we identify, in ways that we haven’t before can build a larger tent without sacrificing our beliefs.

The military has been doing this in third world countries for years. We’ve been more successful in some areas, less successful in others. In the United States third world strongholds of the Democratic Party,I am confident that it can be done.

This is, by far, not the only avenue we’ve got to pursue in order to turn the tide.

But, if we are going to war, the RNC must look to the military to rediscover and reorganize. The number-crunching beancounters have their place in the organization but, on their best days, they can only identify who will and won’t vote Republican.

This is a “Hearts and Minds” effort.

It requires a new way to think about the political battlefield.

Rangers Lead the Way.



32 posted on 11/09/2012 12:19:21 PM PST by military cop (I carry a .45....cause they don't make a .46....)
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To: dirtboy

You are missing the point of the article. Derbyshire is stating that in the end we are all tribal everything else is BS. The reason that white liberals exist is because whites are still the dominant majority racially. There is no fear of being marginalized yet. However in the future as our numbers dwindle, white liberals will have to fall back to racial solidarity just to survive. In a country were whites are a minority, do you really think Harry Reid will be treated any better than Jim DeMint, hell no. All those white liberal hacks holding cushy no work jobs are going to be replaced with minorities. At that point they will become Republicans for the sake of survival. When you scratch beneath the surface, we are no different than the Sunnis in Anbar Province.


33 posted on 11/09/2012 12:37:12 PM PST by gusty
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To: mosaicwolf
He is a wimp and we need a ruthless speaker with guts and principles.

The speaker does not have to be a member of the House, strange eh. Think out of the box.

34 posted on 11/09/2012 12:47:37 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: Skepolitic
Two election cycles?

Well, true. I discounted GWB because there are some people who still believe that he is a conservative.

I'm not among them.

35 posted on 11/09/2012 12:48:52 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: soycd
I’ll add that people also vote or abstain in accordance with their intelligence.

McCain beats Romney.
Obama Beats McCain
Obama beats Romney.

Who could have foreseen that result?</sarcasm>

36 posted on 11/09/2012 12:52:38 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: Zhang Fei

In the last 4 years, 13 million have been added to Food Stamps, millions more to disability. This is the reason odumbi won. He had a head start of at least 20 million sucking like vampires on America.

The GOP House needs to defund welfare. NOW.
The GOP House needs to establish an election day police and system that will stop the voter fraud. NOW.

Take away the welfare and THEY HAVE TO WORK. If they have to work, then they HAVE TO VOTE GOP, because the GOP creates jobs. The Dems create food stamps. nuff said.


37 posted on 11/09/2012 12:53:57 PM PST by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: military cop
LEADERSHIP: The old crew has proven either incompotent or outdated. McConnell and Boerner must go. They represent a failed plan to defend and resist without clearly explaining their position.

They represent a failed plan only if their plan was what you think it was. Personally I think they are both closet Progressives.

38 posted on 11/09/2012 12:57:15 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: Callahan
We can still win, but it’s getting harder and harder with less room for errors/misfortune on the part of our candidates.

No, we can't. The party is in shambles, the GOP-E have done their level best to suppress the Tea Party and conservatives, in general. We aren't going to take over a Republican Party that is blind, deaf and dumb to its base.
What we CAN do is one or more of the following: 1) stop donating ANYTHING to the Republican Party and START donating heavily to the Tea Party; 2) revolt against the government we have, or 3) divorce the blue states and form a conservative, Constitution-based country out of the "flyover" red states who also secede from the blue states.

America is beyond fixing at the ballot box, anymore. The rule of law is dead and the Constitution has been shredded and will be used as confetti for Obama's next inauguration parade.

39 posted on 11/09/2012 1:04:29 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Silver Sabre

He was raised by radicals. Not a good example. Racially mixed people will vote differently than they do now. We just need to convince them with our argument.


40 posted on 11/09/2012 1:37:38 PM PST by arkfreepdom
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