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The independent states of America: Tens of thousands demand to secede from U.S.
The Daily Mail ^ | Monday, November 12, 2012 | Louise Boyle

Posted on 11/12/2012 6:17:01 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

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To: Marathoner

It’s got to be hand for conservatives in Illinois. At least, in southern Ohio we win one every now and then.

Chicago runs Illinois. There’s something anti-representative government and irritating about a relatively small area controlling everything around it for hundreds of miles.


201 posted on 11/14/2012 6:14:24 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Marathoner

It’s got to be hard for conservatives in Illinois. At least, in southern Ohio we win one every now and then.

Chicago runs Illinois. There’s something anti-representative government and irritating about a relatively small area controlling everything around it for hundreds of miles.


202 posted on 11/14/2012 6:14:32 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I couldn’t agree more.“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.Matthew 7:13-14.


203 posted on 11/14/2012 6:47:10 AM PST by johnny reb (I Have Not Yet Begun To Tea Party!)
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To: xzins

People vote, land doesn’t.


204 posted on 11/14/2012 6:48:25 AM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: Deagle

I hope they take a serious look at a third party. Most voters I’ve talked to refuse to consider voting for a Green, Libertarian or other party, simply because they say it will impact the outcome of votes to one or the other candidate they don’t want to vote for anyway. A third party seems a lot better that “busting up the Union”.


205 posted on 11/14/2012 7:04:32 AM PST by TiaS
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To: TiaS
Third parties won't be practical until we have a proportional electoral college. I pray for when that happens (winner-take-all EC is a prehistoric relic) but I'm not holding my breath, either.
206 posted on 11/14/2012 7:07:38 AM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: teflon9
people vote, land doesn't

Actually, the US Constitution's great compromise did not see it that way. The Founders recognized that huge population centers should not dictate to regions far removed. That was the idea behind the creation of a bi-cameral legislature.

207 posted on 11/14/2012 7:10:31 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

“Actually, the US Constitution’s great compromise did not see it that way. The Founders recognized that huge population centers should not dictate to regions far removed.”

Well then, why did they implement a winner-take-all electoral college, which ensures that the big population centers DO overwhelm the folks in the hustings? And a bicameral legislature does reside in Springfield.


208 posted on 11/14/2012 7:26:25 AM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: teflon9

They did not implement a winner-take-all format. They said that each state legislature got to decide how to pick electors. Why so many states have gone to winner-take-all is probably expediency. Nebraska, of course, proves that the constitution does not require winner-take-all.


209 posted on 11/14/2012 7:42:54 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

You’re right there. But the Framers in their foresight should have seen what would happen and forbade winner-takes-all in the Constitution. Would have saved us a lot of grief. But the Framers weren’t perfect. There’s a lot they didn’t see coming. The book “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” and the place names Gettysburg and Antietam come to mind. Talk about kicking the can down the road!


210 posted on 11/14/2012 7:50:37 AM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: teflon9; P-Marlowe

I agree with you that winner-take-all is an anti-republic procedure.

I’m a radical, though. I’d prefer we elected capable, honorable electors who would gather and elect the most capable person to lead our nation.

Presidential beauty pageants aren’t really what the Founders envisioned.


211 posted on 11/14/2012 8:02:48 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

“I’m a radical, though. I’d prefer we elected capable, honorable electors who would gather and elect the most capable person to lead our nation.”


That would be great. But we haven’t had one of those since 1/20/89.


212 posted on 11/14/2012 8:04:55 AM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: xkaydet65; ROCKLOBSTER; Jim Robinson

This is a long and somewhat contorted thread this is getting out of hand. We have some common causes and surely we realize there are decent people in every state. I think this got off course when Rock made the comment about washing away a part of the country ruled by statist and parasites. Xkay, I don’t think you fit that designation. That said, realize, all conservatives do have myriad problems with parasites, atheists, and sexual perverts. The parasites speak for themselves. The atheists want the rest of us to comply with their self-loving perception of existence. We won’t and can’t since we realize that belief in God is a function only of higher life forms. As far as homosexuals, having worked in the public health area, you probably have no idea what goes on with such degenerate behavior; they never, I repeat, never discuss such in circles outside the homosexual community. In short, most male homosexuals routinely exhibit coprophagic behavior—enough on that. The disease vectoring, the molestation of young boys are other issues swept under the rug. It is surprising that a Catholic would share your opinions, in view of the destruction that homosexual infiltration has done to your church.


213 posted on 11/14/2012 9:28:26 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: teflon9

Excuse me, but I’ve always heard that war is a thinking man’s game, and we are thinking men and women. First of all, you pulled the wrong data about U.S. overseas forces. The military of the United States is deployed in more than 150 countries around the world, with approximately 310,000 of its 1,478,000 active-duty personnel serving outside the United States and its territories.

Disgustingly, it looks like over a quarter of the military may have still voted for Obama and OF THIS MINORITY, I would imagine most were comprised of the younger enlistees, where his standing improved 3 percentage points over 2008. You’ve probably also read about the infiltration of gang membership into the armed forces.

The FBI released a new gang assessment report in October last year announcing that there are 1.4 million gang members in the U.S., a 40% increase in just three years, and that many of these members are getting inside the military, which has seen enlistments from 53 gangs and 100 regions in the U.S. Members of every major street gang have been reported on both U.S. and international military installations. The FBI report noted that while gang members have been reported in every branch of service, they are concentrated in the US Army, Army Reserves, and the Army National Guard. If they voted at all, one guess who they voted for. These military return with organization and skills that they bring to the domestic street. I think it would be a mistake to underestimate them. You are correct that some service members would defect, but I’m not certain it would be by the boatload. One can only hope.

Regarding communications: Under the Assignment of National Security and Emergency Preparedness Communications Functions Executive Order, signed in July of this year, the federal government has the authority to take control of and administer all public and private communications in the United States during and in the aftermath of a national emergency. While much of it concerns sharing, repairing and maintaining communications infrastructure after a disaster, I don’t trust the language, particularly after reading 5.3-5.6 of the EO. Obama can also declare martial law through The National Defense Resources Preparedness Executive Order (EO-13603), which he signed on March 16, this year. This order gives Obama control over much more than even our communications network and infrastructure.

Concerning other armed federal agencies, I don’t have a clue how many armed personnel each of them have, but they’re arming themselves. The latest figure I found, DHS alone recently ordered 750 million rounds of .40 caliber ammo against the threat of domestic terrorism. In addition, it has bullet resistant enclosures made of 4x13 Steel UL, 752 bullet resistant level-3 booths with standing seam hip roofs and thru-wall HVAC units. And if you haven’t read H.R. 645 (111th): National Emergency Centers Establishment Act, it might be an interesting read, especially the subsections stating that no fewer than six of the government’s regional FEMA camps must be located on military installations.

There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger because one allowed emotion to cloud judgement. Pragmatism is what is needed, because underestimation of resistance will be fatal, not only to you and your family, but to the cause of freedom. One would also do well to read comments and listen carefully to avoid confusing ones own fellow and FRiend with those against whom we could one day be fighting.


214 posted on 11/14/2012 2:14:45 PM PST by floralamiss ("For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.")
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To: Neoliberalnot; Jim Robinson; xkaydet65
I think this got off course when Rock made the comment about washing away a part of the country ruled by statist and parasites.

In fact, it started on post #18 with another member tempting a San Andreas fault tilt affecting the CA RAT-counties. I merely compounded it with recent ACT OF GOD references, having occurred in the blue RAT-districts of the North East.

Your relatively polite discourse seems to describe exactly what my boiled down comments revealed. Actually, I'm not so sure the thread got all that far off course. When I spoke of the social-justice, baby-killing, packer/munchers, I was referring to the phoney-baloney "cafeteria catholics" and certain RATical lawmakers.

215 posted on 11/14/2012 4:05:17 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: WildHighlander57

Sign up using a sniveling liberal’s name and address.


216 posted on 11/15/2012 7:01:13 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

FR had a flood of secession “concern” trolls, and now all threads on secession votes have gone silent.

If one of those trolls are reading this, being silent means we are just not telling you what is happening.


217 posted on 11/16/2012 5:09:56 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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