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Police fatally shoot Marine in California desert
Stars and Stripes ^ | Nov 12, 8:21 PM ES | Un-named

Posted on 11/12/2012 7:30:18 PM PST by Rabin

PALM SPRINGS, Calif. (AP) -- Police shot a Camp Pendleton Marine who struck an officer with a car in a parking garage in Palm Springs.

The Marine ignored orders to stop after being approached by officers on bike patrol. One officers partially climbed into the passenger window. The car accelerated, striking the other officer and continued with the officer hanging out of the window until the car crashed near the garage exit.

Both officers discharged their weapons... (shot the unarmed Marine).

Both officers were treated for injuries at a hospital and released. The Marine died at the scene.

(Excerpt) Read more at ap.stripes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; bikepatrol; palmsprings
How, Rab can but wonder, is this quality of officer selected, trained, then given a gun and a badge.

Tragic, R.

1 posted on 11/12/2012 7:30:26 PM PST by Rabin
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To: Rabin

It’s a different country now, communist as per liberals, election fraud and a communist propaganda machine posing as our media. And with communism comes the police state. You will stop while in a PARKING garage!


2 posted on 11/12/2012 7:37:56 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools we will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: Rabin

maybe a relative is a cop too? Just a thought . . . a depressing one . . .


3 posted on 11/12/2012 7:38:06 PM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: Rabin

Huh? Bad example.

The guy ignored orders (probably drunk), hit a cop, and had stolen items on him.

Not all enlisted men are full of honor, as we so glibly and loftily assume here.


4 posted on 11/12/2012 7:38:58 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda

Have any of you READ the article?


5 posted on 11/12/2012 7:39:33 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Rabin

Accident? Or road rage? We fervently hope any Marine would be way above venting road rage at a pair of bicycle police, but maybe this is one that cracked? He had no gun, to be sure, but he did have a guided missile.


6 posted on 11/12/2012 7:40:43 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Rabin
Tragic for sure.However the fact that he was “unarmed” doesn't necessarily mean that the cops didn't have reason to fear for the lives.Not *all* Marines are law abiding...particularly ones with psych problems (e.g.,PTSD).
7 posted on 11/12/2012 7:41:26 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Rabin

If the facts are as given in the story, the shoot sounds justified. Shame the Marine would throw his life away like that.


8 posted on 11/12/2012 7:42:17 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: Rabin
his son and the passenger had gone out to celebrate the 237th birthday of the Marine Corps

That's as good an excuse as any to get drunk and try out your new stolen smartphone and ID card.

9 posted on 11/12/2012 7:42:55 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

OR,

Surely drunk, Rab thinks. So go thru a window crash the car, all shoot the kid. Tragic.


10 posted on 11/12/2012 7:44:49 PM PST by Rabin
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To: Right Wing Assault

The Marine Corps, not them... I thought they had discovered Methuselah’s secret potion, and had grown up when there were no horseless carriages, let alone modern automobiles.


11 posted on 11/12/2012 7:45:25 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

>> Not all enlisted men are full of honor, as we so glibly and loftily assume here.

Therefore, deserve summary termination. /s


12 posted on 11/12/2012 7:46:36 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Rabin

I don’t know what it is about Camp Pendleton and the surrounding area. Google SGT Manny Loggins, who was driving his daughters for an early morning jog before school and was shot in his vehicle with the girls sitting in the back seat. Just saw that the officer was not charged. I could give more details but it would take up to much space. occurred February 2012


13 posted on 11/12/2012 7:49:12 PM PST by ArmyTeach ( Videteco eos prius (See 'em first) Sculpin 191)
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To: Rabin

He should have had a dog with him, so they would have likely shot and killed it instead......

The police these days(seemingly nation wide) are becoming increasingly militarized and out of control....Yes, there are exceptions. Hell, for our small rural town of not even 10,000 people, the police recently acquired a giant armored vehicle. If the thing had a turret/barrel and treads, I’d call it a black tank.... WHY??????

Having said that, I’m SURE they didn’t pay for it. The funding for it probably came from a federal grant of some kind. Likely either Homeland security(an agency that shouldn’t exist in the first place) or stimulus/0bama money.

Regardless of where the funding originated, we don’t need that damn thing(our town HAS somehow managed to exist for over 100 years without it). If our local police encounter a situation where such a monstrosity is necessary, they need to either call in the state boys, national guard, or something.


14 posted on 11/12/2012 7:49:32 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Gene Eric

Oily, who ALWAYS comes down on the side of jerkboots no matter HOW jerky, needs to learn a little lesson about crying wolf. I’d wonder about the wisdom of leaning into the window of a car that looked like it would not stop, but otherwise it seems unsurprising that he got himself shot at.


15 posted on 11/12/2012 7:50:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
The guy ignored orders (probably drunk), hit a cop, and had stolen items on him.

Not all orders are lawful; it is somewhat disturbing that your response here is "he ignored orders."

Not all enlisted men are full of honor, as we so glibly and loftily assume here.

And not all police are honorable either... in fact, I've heard of them robbing the homeless.

16 posted on 11/12/2012 7:55:31 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Not all enlisted men are full of honor, as we so glibly and loftily assume here.

Nor officers, apparently. I've as much respect for the military as anyone, but wearing the uniform does not constitute a free pass on bad behavior.

17 posted on 11/12/2012 8:18:52 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Gene Eric

What would you think of getting hit by a car and continued resistance?


18 posted on 11/12/2012 8:19:06 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: OneWingedShark

‘Not all orders are lawful; it is somewhat disturbing that your response here is “he ignored orders.”’

1st off, I had a LIST of things he did wrong, apparently. INCLUDING HITTING A MAN WITH A CAR. (Never mind the stolen items on his person, apparently, although that’s after the fact - I guess.)

2nd, as with all articles, this 1 does not have all the facts. You assume apparently this order to stop is “unlawful”. You can’t assume that because you don’t know what happened to instigate this per the article.

“not all police are honorable either..”

Did I say they are? Stop jumping to conclusions based on limited writings.

The truth is FR is rife with people who hate cops, while I’m yet to see anyone question any armed-forces member. They HAVE done wrong, you know. Hence my comment about enlisted men and FR’s assumptions.


19 posted on 11/12/2012 8:23:50 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Good luck buddy. On Free Republic the Military can do no wrong but the cops are all Jack Booted Thugs.


20 posted on 11/12/2012 8:35:38 PM PST by Wiggins
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To: the OlLine Rebel

I was, and I didn’t kill the driver.


21 posted on 11/12/2012 8:37:25 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

>>‘Not all orders are lawful; it is somewhat disturbing that your response here is “he ignored orders.”’
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>[...] You assume apparently this order to stop is “unlawful”. You can’t assume that because you don’t know what happened to instigate this per the article.

No, I was not commenting on the article — I was commenting on YOUR comment. Do you see that thing that looks like a comma with a period hovering above, it’s called a semi-colon and is used to connect two separate thoughts into a single thought. Your spouting off “he ignored orders” as if that alone justified the shooting is disturbing.

>>“not all police are honorable either..”
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>Did I say they are? Stop jumping to conclusions based on limited writings.

Your above comment, which assumes a legitimacy of authority actually does imply that.


22 posted on 11/12/2012 8:46:18 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Rabin

If someone was trying to run me down, I would shoot him.


23 posted on 11/12/2012 8:49:59 PM PST by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: KoRn

It’s a good thing to have locally.

Thin, when SHTF, it will be there for you and the locals to eventually commandeer and use.

Where else would you get that grade or equipment? ;)


24 posted on 11/12/2012 9:01:42 PM PST by Individual Rights in NJ (Want to join my new country in Greenland? Like the Danes will stop us; pft!)
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To: OneWingedShark

Huh?

I said “ignored orders, HIT WITH A CAR, AND HAD STOLEN ITEMS/ID.”

Stop making it like I said it was OK to shoot for simply ignoring orders.

He was shot AFTER the CAR incident.

The point is, anyway, the Marine is not perfectly angelic. I cannot believe everyone excusing this man with what we do know.

My biggest problem with the cops AS PER THIS STORY (again, articles are always incomplete) - the 1 cop “jumping into the window”. Why? What was he doing - trying to stop the car himself? If not, by what rights did he jump onto someone’s car? That is the weirdest thing here.


25 posted on 11/12/2012 9:02:14 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

We “hate” cops, because this is a site that centers around respect for the Constitution. Most, but not all (as everyone is so fond of explicitly stating these days), serve to abuse the rights we have under it, and employ a default corrupt/abusive stance of the citizens they are supposed to “protect and serve.”

If a lot of people all observe the same behavior, it likely has *some* legs to it.

Just sayin....

But of course there are plenty of military that do bad things and break legitimate law, I don’t think many people on here would argue against that pointespecially since there are plenty of documented facts contrary to that stance.


26 posted on 11/12/2012 9:05:57 PM PST by Individual Rights in NJ (Want to join my new country in Greenland? Like the Danes will stop us; pft!)
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To: Gene Eric

Oh please. 1st, are you under authority? 2nd, was the person doing it on purpose/no sign of stopping his behavior?

I was hit by a little old lady riding my bike as a child.

But actually she did it accidentally, after I accidentally did not pay enough attention to the road to see if someone was coming while I winged down the hill to the road. I hit her side door as she moved by at 25 mph.

(BTW, I didn’t have a safetyNAZI helmet and got away with just a broken arm from the pavement.)


27 posted on 11/12/2012 9:07:00 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Bad behavior such as driving into a person and possessing someone else’s ID and phone?


28 posted on 11/12/2012 9:09:12 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Individual Rights in NJ

I’m judging this on its own merits, not on general prejudices against cops or armed forces.

Until I see more info I’ll generally side with the cops here.

On FR I challenge to find a thread where anyone rags on military. Meanwhile dog threads, e.g., are replete with anti-cop rantings. Although whenever it goes their way - Zimmerman/Trayvon event, riots by OWS or the like - there is silence as to whether the cops were bad or not.


29 posted on 11/12/2012 9:13:59 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Rabin

Was there a dog shot in the melee?


30 posted on 11/12/2012 9:24:36 PM PST by Right Brother
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To: Rabin

You figure they should just let people run them down with cars? He wasn’t unarmed he had 1,500 - 2,000 lb. lethal weapon and was using it.


31 posted on 11/12/2012 9:28:31 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

Well I tend to agree with you on this specific event.

However, your OWS example is tenuous at best.... disturbing the peace and damage to private property are very real crimes whose establishment as a break of the law clearly do not violate the Constitution.

One point I also agree with you on, although you didn’t make it explicitly, is resisting arrest is resisting arrest, even if you are innocent, which is a crime itself.

If you are innocent you will have your day in court (at least for now).

The only time I was arrested was on a false DUI charge that was quickly dropped. The officer had no roadside test available, gave me the ridiculous manual dance test- which I “failed” as they are designed to do, took me in , and once in I got in abot 5 minutes later (We were close the station) I blew a .00 on the breathalyzer since I had not been drinking- LOL; as I tried in vein to explain to the arresting officer. I was *relatively* promptly released- though I never did get that apology.


32 posted on 11/12/2012 9:39:16 PM PST by Individual Rights in NJ (Want to join my new country in Greenland? Like the Danes will stop us; pft!)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Bad behavior such as driving into a person and possessing someone else’s ID and phone?

Any bad behavior.

33 posted on 11/12/2012 10:44:09 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Rabin

Without a quality video I can’t accept the officer’s version. Too many police lie and just make stuff these days to accept their word. I don’t know what happened except that a Marine is dead.


34 posted on 11/13/2012 12:35:46 AM PST by trailboss800
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To: KoRn

Why? Google Freedom From War - state dept publication 5277. That is why.


35 posted on 11/13/2012 12:41:57 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: GrandJediMasterYoda
I think cops had better watch themselves. They are the easiest and most visable target for people who are fed up with the crazy laws being passed at all levels of gov't.


Impeach the kenyan or secession.


36 posted on 11/13/2012 1:56:59 AM PST by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: Wiggins
On Free Republic the Military can do no wrong but the cops are all Jack Booted Thugs.

Very noticeable.

Somewhat odd when you recognize the obvious fact that there is a great deal of overlap between the personality types who become cops and who enter the military.

You can make a good case that both occupations are essentially the same, or should be. The military defends society against foreign enemies, while the police defend it against domestic enemies.

Some in both groups are or become crooks, as with any other occupational groups. Cops in particular obviously have a great deal more opportunity to get involved in crooked activity than the average person.

37 posted on 11/13/2012 2:17:45 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: the OlLine Rebel
I was hit by a little old lady riding my bike as a child.

Okay, I give up.

Why was she riding your bike?

38 posted on 11/13/2012 2:43:45 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Rabin

Sounds a bit like suicide by cop. One wonders what was going through this serviceman’s head at the time; guess we’ll never know.


39 posted on 11/13/2012 3:53:08 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Rabin
(shot the unarmed Marine).

Assumes facts not in evidence and you're extremely naive if you expect AP to accurately report on anything. By the way, the vehicle itself is a weapon particularly in the hands of someone who's s***faced.

40 posted on 11/13/2012 9:12:40 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: Sherman Logan

I agree with your very honest assessment.


41 posted on 11/13/2012 9:23:38 AM PST by Wiggins
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