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Lame Black Christian Cop-Out
LloydMarcus.com ^ | 11-18-2012 | Lloyd Marcus

Posted on 11/17/2012 8:25:21 AM PST by Lloyd Marcus

A black Christian Obama voter called me after the election. For years, I have informed him of Obama's attacks on Christianity and anti-Christian agenda. He praised Romney for saying in his concession speech that we need to pray for our president. Then he added, “I prayed that God will bind everything in Obama that is not like Him.”

Folks I politely, but quickly, ended our conversation. I was sickened by my friend's weak attempt to cover his sell-out to skin-color under a shroud of Christian principles.

This guy had the audacity to quote Bible scripture about how Christians are commanded to pray for their political leaders. Maybe he's praying that God will cause Obama to have a change of heart as more black babies are exterminated. What a religious crock of you-know-what.

Passing on an opportunity to end Obama's anti-Christian agenda solely because he is black like you is a Judas betrayal.

Before the election I told a black Christian minister friend that Obama was pro-abortion and pro-infanticide. I told him that 40 Catholic groups were suing the Administration for forcing them to fund abortion services in Obamacare. I told him that not only does Obama support gay marriage, but Obama vowed to be an advocate of the gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender communities.

My friend did not dispute one of my facts. He simply said Romney's plan would bankrupt our economy and that he was voting for Obama, the lesser of two evils. Keep in mind, folks, that this guy claims to be a man of God. And yet he is in essence saying the murder of innocent babies and the furthering of the homosexual agenda are acceptable collateral damage. His shameful logic is BS to hide his racism and idolatry of skin color.

This same black minister friend called me after the election. I did not take his call.

Lloyd Marcus, Proud Unhyphenated American
LloydMarcus.com


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1 posted on 11/17/2012 8:25:28 AM PST by Lloyd Marcus
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To: Lloyd Marcus

“This guy had the audacity to quote Bible scripture about how Christians are commanded to pray for their political leaders.”

We are also commanded not to worship false idols


2 posted on 11/17/2012 8:28:15 AM PST by A_Former_Democrat (Elections do have consequences, young people of America)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

Romney’s plan would bankrupt our economy?!??!!

WTH is with these people!!! why are they soooo freaking stupid!


3 posted on 11/17/2012 8:34:03 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

As I have said before The Democta party is the religion of these people. They can justify in their minds anything for the party.

My Cousin who is norally a smart man asked me what all the hullabaloo was about in the Ambassadors killing, he said it was only 4 people that died. He excused the killing of an Ambassador because he party stood to lose if he didn’t.

They ignore facts and make up their own facts in their minds.Then they believe what they just made up.


4 posted on 11/17/2012 8:37:44 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Lloyd Marcus

Lloyd, God is separating the sheep from the goats, the wheat from the chaff, the unholy from the holy. Way to stick to your guns and be a true man of God!! These cowardly charlatans have outraged the spirit of grace and profaned the blood of Jesus Christ from which they were sanctified and shall now drink bitter waters of judgment for their abominations. Read Ezekiel 7, Hebrews 6:4-8 and Hebrews 10:26-31. Also add Proverbs 15:8-10.


5 posted on 11/17/2012 8:43:14 AM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“WTH is with these people!!! why are they soooo freaking stupid!”

Bell Curve + Tribal Thinking + Communist Propaganda = Obama Voters

“To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.” Thomas Paine.

“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” Winston Churchill

Liberalism is a mental disorder.” Michael Savage


6 posted on 11/17/2012 8:44:04 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Lloyd Marcus
I learned to never argue with drug addicts and racists, they will do or say anything to justify their character flaws.

Until they come to grip with their own shortcomings, you would would be wasting time and energy telling then the truth.

If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town. - Matthew 10:14


7 posted on 11/17/2012 8:46:07 AM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

Bet ol’ Lloyd don’t get many invites to speak at the local United Church of Christ, Church of God in Christ, AME, or black Baptist church. No, not many at all. Just as sinners hate to hear they are doomed without Christ, so too blacks hate to hear they are now coequals in the slaughter of the innocent babies and coequals in the promotion of the LGBT program that has taken over as THE civil rights issue. What blacks don’t seem to understand is a) they are decreasing in influence in the DemocRat party as the Hispanic overtake them in sheer numbers and 2) they have less influence in the DemocRat party than LGBT because the black community, beaten into submission by the welfare state, doesn’t have the deep pockets that the LGBT population and their supporters have.


8 posted on 11/17/2012 8:47:46 AM PST by cashless (Unlike Obama and his supporters, I'd rather be a TEA BAGGER than a TEA BAGGEE.)
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To: Lloyd Marcus
I said it multiple times before the election when everyone was claiming that African American ministers were admonishing their flocks. For 12% of the population skin color trumps everything else. The only thing that would turn them away would be if he ditched Mooshelle and took up with (heavens forbid) a white woman. And then it would only be African American women that were P!$$ed.
9 posted on 11/17/2012 8:48:31 AM PST by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

“He simply said Romney’s plan would bankrupt our economy and that he was voting for Obama”

THe simple answer to that is:

No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and MAMMON.
( Matthew 6:24 )

This minister chose to trust in money rather than God. I pray that he sees the error in what he has said and done!

Mel


10 posted on 11/17/2012 8:49:09 AM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong....)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

I don’t think that it’s just a fraternal feeling that explains why blacks vote so strongly for the Democrats. Look at Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs. I have the blueunicorn6 addition to it. Maslow argued that the lower needs (Physiological, Safety, etc....) must be met before a person could aspire to fulfill their higher needs (Esteem, Self-Actualization). I argue that the fulfillment of the lower needs is unimportant if the person is AFRAID that the fulfillment of the lower needs will be taken away. Fear is a very powerful motivator. The Democrats are using psychology and sociology and the Republicans are using political science. People behave based on motivations. Many Democrat voters are motivated by fear. The Democrats understand this and use fear to their advantage. As Republicans, we aspire that all people should reach the “Self-Actualization” that Maslow wrote about. Do the Democrats aspire for that or are they happy to leave people fearing that they will need to meet their lower needs? I believe that they are happy to leave blacks worrying about their lower needs even after they have been fulfilled. The Republicans can try to convince people that their fears are unfounded, or they can use that fear to their advantage. That sounds cruel, but I think it will be easier to help people rise up through the needs to self-actualization if they are Republicans. It would perhaps be kinder to use fear now if it helps people reach self-actualization.


11 posted on 11/17/2012 8:54:16 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Lloyd Marcus

it’s kinda like praying: “Lord, I’m gonna rob this bank, but don’t let me get caught and have to pay the consequences...”


12 posted on 11/17/2012 8:57:11 AM PST by joethedrummer
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To: A_Former_Democrat

“We are also commanded not to worship false idols.”

. . the idols of racism and skin color . .
Good observation; have never heard it expressed that way, but it’s true.


13 posted on 11/17/2012 8:57:58 AM PST by Twinkie (Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)
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To: joethedrummer

14 posted on 11/17/2012 9:00:27 AM PST by Daffynition (Self-respect: the secure feeling that no one, as yet, is suspicious. ~ HLM)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

Some day people will be judged not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.


15 posted on 11/17/2012 9:04:14 AM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: Lloyd Marcus
Thank you, Lloyd, for being a godly man of integrity. Please ask these same friends of yours if they would have voted for Mia Love and Allen West?

In my opinion, I believe most Blacks have surrendered to overt racism, and i simple cannot grasp why other than the Lord has allowed them to have a dark veil over their eyes.

Where are the Black men of God who will not compromise? Where?

I weep for the sin, misery, and broken lives in this country emanating from racism and the profiteering of racism. It does not have to be this way!

May God have mercy on us as our countrymen continue to shake their fist in the face of God.

16 posted on 11/17/2012 9:11:04 AM PST by Obadiah (Americans said, "Give us Barabbas!")
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To: Lloyd Marcus

I’ve lived long enough to learn that most “black” Christians are black first and Christians second. Blacks are the most racist group there is. They are also hypocritical segregationists...as long as they are doing the segregating, as evidenced by the NAACP, Black Congressional Caucus, Miss Black America, Historically Black Universities and so on. It’s hard to solve problems when the truth can’t even be mentioned.


17 posted on 11/17/2012 9:12:47 AM PST by 762X51
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To: A_Former_Democrat
We are also commanded not to worship false idols

Praying FOR someone is not worshipping, which would be praying TO someone. Christians are commanded to pray for our enemies as well as our friends. How else will anything change in our direction without bloodshed, except that the enemies of Christ have a change of heart?

18 posted on 11/17/2012 9:27:16 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Not only no, but HELL NO we will NOT moderate our stance."-- Jim Robinson)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

We must all bow to Obamachadnezzar’s giant statue.


19 posted on 11/17/2012 9:34:23 AM PST by EricT. (The GOP's sole purpose is to serve as an ineffective alternative to the Democrat Party.)
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To: Lloyd Marcus
Lloyd, your witness and testimony and your appearances at patriot rallies have been continual inspirations. It must seem very, very daunting -- sort of the way single conservative women feel when faced with the typical nanny-state women who vote Democrat, teach schoolchildren homosexual propaganda, and show up in the pews, the Sunday Schools and the church fellowship halls running their mouths and carrying casseroles without a moment's thought to the actual content of the scriptures.

It is galling to be ahead of one's time, as you are, and witness the sell-out and ignorance of the deluded folks who otherwise "look like us." Do not give up. This country and her freedoms were not created for the masses but for the individuals who have the courage of self-reliance, personal responsibility and adherence to Natural Law. That's all internal. There's no gender in that. There's no skin color in that.

20 posted on 11/17/2012 9:35:23 AM PST by Albion Wilde ("Not only no, but HELL NO we will NOT moderate our stance."-- Jim Robinson)
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To: Obadiah
"Where are the Black men of God who will not compromise? Where?"

A Liberal is first a Liberal . . . always.

21 posted on 11/17/2012 9:38:33 AM PST by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: Albion Wilde

There was/is “idol worship” for Obama. Remember 2008? The magazine covers with the halos? The fainting fans? The mesmerized countenances at his rallies?


22 posted on 11/17/2012 9:43:39 AM PST by A_Former_Democrat (Elections do have consequences, young people of America)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

I’m praying for my political leaders though I do not think it would be a good idea to say exactly what it is I pray cause I do not care to get a visit from our homeland security goons.


23 posted on 11/17/2012 10:02:04 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Lloyd Marcus

Like Rush always has said, “Liberals are always liberals first, and everything else second.”

Life Amidst the Postmodern Ruins
http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/2007/11/life-amidst-postmodern-ruins.html

“... I was very impressed with how Chesterton, although writing in 1907, had already diagnosed the pathologies of the left. In fact, his ideas mirror exactly what Polanyi wrote some 50 years later about the “moral inversion” of the left, i.e., the dangerous combination of radical skepticism and an unhinged, ruthless moral perfectionism unbound from tradition.

Chesteron writes of the socialist that although he may have a “large and generous heart,” it is “not a heart in the right place.” And only a human being can have a heart dangerously set in the wrong location. It generally occurs “when a religious scheme is shattered” as a result of their intense skepticism. When this happens, “it is not merely the vices that are let loose.” Rather, “the virtues are let loose also; and the virtues wander more wildly, and the virtues do more terrible damage.” Just because someone has a moral code, it hardly means that they are moral.

I have written a number of posts on the dynamics of this pathological process, which I thought that Polanyi had been the first to recognize. But Chesterton also writes of how “the modern world is full of the old Christian virtues gone mad. The virtues have gone mad because they have been isolated from each other and are wandering alone.”

Most every destructive policy put into place by the left can be traced to some Christian virtue gone mad ­ i.e., feed the hungry, so steal from “the rich” and call it “giving,” or defending abortion on the basis of the sanctity of “liberty,” or encouraging every manner of deviancy under the guise of “tolerance.” [snip - continue reading at above link]

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Belief in Disbelief, or Inside the Postmodern Skeptic Tank
http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/2007/11/belief-in-disbelief-or-inside.html

“[T]he new rebel is a skeptic, and will not entirely trust anything.... And the fact that he doubts everything really gets in the way when he wants to denounce anything. For denunciation implies a moral doctrine of some kind; and the modern revolutionist doubts not only the institution he denounces, but the doctrine by which he denounces it.... In his book on politics he attacks men for trampling on morality; in his book on ethics he attacks morality for trampling on men. ­~ G.K. Chesterton [snip - continue reading at above link]


24 posted on 11/17/2012 10:55:02 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Obama's Shuck and Jive Ends With Benghazi Lies ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: DarthVader

Excellent post. Also in the book of Numbers, where the people are told they are going to get so much free meat it is going to come out of the noses. I am in Isaiah 31 right now, and seeing that anyone who does not turn from the lusty power and seduction of “free stuff” at the hands of a man made King, is going to suffer. The message is clear to me. The word of God is pretty clear that we are now in the season past the harvest. We are on the thrashing floor.


25 posted on 11/17/2012 11:01:32 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: Joe Boucher
"I’m praying for my political leaders though I do not think it would be a good idea to say exactly what it is I pray cause I do not care to get a visit from our homeland security goons."

This is my prayer:

"May God return the evil they have imagined against us back on their own heads."

26 posted on 11/17/2012 11:08:59 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Obama's Shuck and Jive Ends With Benghazi Lies ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: Truth2012
"Also in the book of Numbers, where the people are told they are going to get so much free meat it is going to come out of the noses. I am in Isaiah 31 right now, and seeing that anyone who does not turn from the lusty power and seduction of “free stuff” at the hands of a man made King, is going to suffer."

If you are a true leftist, then you shall covet....[and] one way to manage one's own envy is to project it into others and then try to appease it.

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"....if we could somehow eliminate envy from the human genome, there would be almost no reason for the left to exist. They would instantly lose that which animates them, for example, envy masquerading as justice or economic theory. In order to be happy, we must all keep our envy in check, because envy is the opposite of gratitude. Envy does not appreciate what one has, only what one doesn't have. And our capacity to imagine what we do not have--and that someone else is enjoying it--is literally infinite, as is envy. .." HERE

27 posted on 11/17/2012 11:33:38 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Obama's Shuck and Jive Ends With Benghazi Lies ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: Matchett-PI

Hey that is good stuff. Thanks for the links.


28 posted on 11/17/2012 11:43:43 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: Albion Wilde; Truth2012

When Obotulism was elected in 2008 I prayed hard about this and the Holy Spirit led me to read Jeremiah 17 on Election Night:

http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Jeremiah+17

Verses 5-13 really stuck out and they have been proven true for these last four years. This time He had me read Ezekiel 7 on election eve plus all of those passages from Hebrews in post#5 a few weeks before the election. This country is going to get hit like never before especially because I believe without a shadow of a doubt that this election was stolen and God’s will thwarted. People that do that pay a terrible price.

http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Ezekiel+7


29 posted on 11/17/2012 11:46:14 AM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: Lloyd Marcus
NOW can we FINALLY stop saying Blacks are really conservatives? They confuse hating Jews and homosexuals with being conservative because massa tell them da’s how Conservatives act and think. Blacks are over represented in prison (Whitey's fault of course) and under represented in our military (again Whitey's fault because he keep locking dah Black man up and insists on passing grades to graduate from high school)Blacks have the highest rate of both unwed births and abortions - neat trick pulled by - you guessed it Whitey. They vote 99% for a Black candidate who is the least conservative man ever to run let alone win. All of this adds up to Blacks being conservatives? Puleeeeze!
30 posted on 11/17/2012 11:47:25 AM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: Truth2012

You’re welcome! bttt


31 posted on 11/17/2012 11:54:14 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Obama's Shuck and Jive Ends With Benghazi Lies ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: DarthVader
"I believe without a shadow of a doubt that ..God’s will thwarted."

God's will is NEVER thwarted. It was your will that was thwarted. God works in mysterious ways - WAAAAAAAAAAAY over our heads.

32 posted on 11/17/2012 11:58:03 AM PST by Matchett-PI (Obama's Shuck and Jive Ends With Benghazi Lies ~ Sarah Palin)
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To: Matchett-PI

No God’s will does get thwarted or a better word is “delayed” sometimes by man at least temporarily but you are right it eventually works itself out in the end. We are not out of this thing by far yet.


33 posted on 11/17/2012 12:04:25 PM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: DarthVader

Excellent. Thank you so much for sharing. The Lord has led me to the same place. I have been in Jeremiah, called back there, for a few months. I have been captivated by the prophecy since Sandy hit. I have seen the words jump off the page at me and show such grace. . I am not kidding that I was just reading again, and then seeking Ezekiel, after the lesson about dung- about half an hour ago!!!

The book of Jeremiah has been key to my faith, for about 4 years now. Remembering Jeremiah actually saved my life 5 years ago (when I was pregnant and very sick), telling me not to worry that there were great things to come.

When I start to get really depressed about the state of our freedoms, I pull out my Bible and pray. So really, thanks for telling me. Cool. I am inspired.

Blessed be the name of the Lord.


34 posted on 11/17/2012 12:05:15 PM PST by Truth2012
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To: Truth2012

Confirming things through the mouths of 2 or 3 witnesses. ;-)

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So it is written, so shall it be done!


35 posted on 11/17/2012 12:09:03 PM PST by DarthVader (Politicians govern out of self interest, Statesmen govern for a Vision greater than themselves)
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To: DarthVader

Exactly. Amen.

I want to share with you what I learned today, that the battle has already been won. (I keep forgetting this and sliding into despair.) Our freedoms are not really at stake.

We are more than conquerors.

If you slide into despair, like I do, on occasion, let this rest upon you and bring you rest from any burden:

John 16:33 “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.”

God bless you.


36 posted on 11/17/2012 12:26:25 PM PST by Truth2012
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To: Lloyd Marcus
This guy had the audacity to quote Bible scripture about how Christians are commanded to pray for their political leaders.

I pray that God gives our leaders everything they deserve; good, hard, and fast.

37 posted on 11/17/2012 12:43:25 PM PST by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: jmaroneps37

“NOW can we FINALLY stop saying Blacks are really conservatives?”

Yes, we can put that nonsense to rest; I’ll let their family statistics demonstrate their “Christianity” and values (almost non-existent).


38 posted on 11/17/2012 12:52:05 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: Lloyd Marcus; All
There's TWO ways to look at this:

1. If 93% of whites had voted for Romney, the MSM would never relent its claims of whites exercising "racism"; yet, when blacks vote almost monolythically, no such claim emerges from the MSM.

2. On the other hand, were I black -- I wouldn't vote for Romney, either.

I mean c'mon...Here Romney was at age 31...and he still belonged to an org (where he eventually gave $millions) that disallowed blacks from getting married in their temples...that disallowed blacks from being part of a "priesthood" that they allow 12 yo white boys to hold.

Of course, I'm speaking of the Mormon church.

Blame the GoP-e for simply refusing to acknowledge that Romney was THE worst choice to run vs. a minority...hands down!

Btw, there were a few Utah precincts where Obama did not get any votes...but I believe they were like 56-0 and 44-0...vs. all the precincts where Obama was getting HUNDREDS of votes to none for Romney.

I voted for neither of the above (voted for Goode)

39 posted on 11/17/2012 1:19:40 PM PST by Colofornian (“...those outside the Church who say Lds do not believe in the traditional Christ. No I don't."-GH)
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To: 762X51
"It’s hard to solve problems when the truth can’t even be mentioned"
40 posted on 11/17/2012 1:43:55 PM PST by kcvl
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To: DarthVader

Thank you for your inspiring post. I went and read all the verses you cited. May God bless the patriots of this land in their sorrow, and carry them through the inevitable dark night ahead.


41 posted on 11/17/2012 4:06:40 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Not only no, but HELL NO we will NOT moderate our stance."-- Jim Robinson)
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To: Colofornian
I voted for neither of the above (voted for Goode)

Which turned out to be a vote for Obama! Neat trick!

42 posted on 11/17/2012 4:11:21 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Not only no, but HELL NO we will NOT moderate our stance."-- Jim Robinson)
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To: kcvl
"It’s hard to solve problems when the truth can’t even be mentioned"

In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
-- George Orwell

If you want to make a conservative angry, tell him a lie. If you want to make a liberal angry, tell him the truth.
-- Rush Limbaugh.

43 posted on 11/17/2012 4:15:43 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Not only no, but HELL NO we will NOT moderate our stance."-- Jim Robinson)
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To: Colofornian

You didn’t vote. You pretended to vote for a pretend candidate rationalizing the action as a practicing zealot


44 posted on 11/17/2012 4:19:34 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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To: verga
The only thing that would turn them away would be if he ditched Mooshelle and took up with (heavens forbid) a white woman. And then it would only be African American women that were P!$$ed.

Becoming buddies with Clarence Thomas and Thomas Sowell and declaring that he had converted to free-market Conservatism would be guaranteed to turn them away. If he then announced an initiative to end affirmative action, they would be congregating in DC waving pitchforks.

45 posted on 11/17/2012 4:24:06 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (political correctness is communist thought control, disguised as good manners)
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To: Colofornian
I mean c'mon...Here Romney was at age 31...and he still belonged to an org (where he eventually gave $millions) that disallowed blacks from getting married in their temples...that disallowed blacks from being part of a "priesthood" that they allow 12 yo white boys to hold.
That's asinine. You fail at basic logic. The Church of Later Day Saints have changed their policies. And the person who ensured that this would have was George Romney.
46 posted on 11/18/2012 12:18:34 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: bert

under that logic anyone voting for a losing candidate did not vote....given that 2nd place only counts in horse racing


47 posted on 11/19/2012 7:07:10 PM PST by Colofornian (“...those outside the Church who say Lds do not believe in the traditional Christ. No I don't."-G)
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To: bert

under that logic anyone voting for a losing candidate did not vote....given that 2nd place only counts in horse racing


48 posted on 11/19/2012 7:07:29 PM PST by Colofornian (“...those outside the Church who say Lds do not believe in the traditional Christ. No I don't."-G)
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To: bert

under that logic anyone voting for a losing candidate did not vote....given that 2nd place only counts in horse racing


49 posted on 11/19/2012 7:07:45 PM PST by Colofornian (“...those outside the Church who say Lds do not believe in the traditional Christ. No I don't."-G)
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To: bert

under that logic anyone voting for a losing candidate did not vote....given that 2nd place only counts in horse racing


50 posted on 11/19/2012 7:07:54 PM PST by Colofornian (“...those outside the Church who say Lds do not believe in the traditional Christ. No I don't."-G)
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