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1 posted on 11/21/2012 4:42:42 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Nope. Once Obama makes citizens out of twenty or even ten million illegal aliens, they will turn most of the swing states solidly blue in 2016 and beyond. Barring a catastrophic economic collapse or foreign policy debacle, 2016 won’t be nearly as close as 2012 was.


2 posted on 11/21/2012 4:52:39 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: neverdem

i don’t think this guy knows what he is talking about so why read or believe anything from him


3 posted on 11/21/2012 4:52:42 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: neverdem

The problem with Barone’s analysis is that Obama has been a terrible president and the economy under Obama has been horrible.

If the Democrats can win with this margin with such lousy economic conditions, then if the economic conditions had been better they would have won with much bigger margins.

This means the Democrats are in a much stronger position than in the 1995-2005 period, and the country is not evenly balanced between the two parties.

Barone’s analysis gives hope to those who think if Republicans just do a little bit better political wizardry they will be back in power.

Wrong. The problem is more fundamental, and the battle must be waged at a cultural level in the schools and in media and entertainment.


4 posted on 11/21/2012 4:55:42 PM PST by Meet the New Boss
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To: neverdem

Slice it, dice it, cut it any way you want. The real issue is that concentrated metro areas often carry whole states, relegating the hinterlands to a ‘lesser’ status.
The solution is more states, or more countries.

A secondary issue is that the Congress hasn’t added to it’s headcount for over 80 years. We’ve been locked at 435 representatives (except of a couple of years) since early in the last century. That number should be nearly 5000 if we were to pay heed to the founders notion of the population numbers a congress-critter should represent.
More state and more electoral votes would do a lot to level the playing field, and bring some sanity back to the whole (currently) sordid process.


5 posted on 11/21/2012 5:00:32 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Still seeking change.)
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To: neverdem

Barone misses something huge year. Based on the economy, 2012 was a wave year for Republicans. They lost their own wave election. Badly. If Republicans can’r win with the wind at their back, they are in serious trouble. I agree, if the economy was good, this result wouldn’t be a big deal.


6 posted on 11/21/2012 5:05:35 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: neverdem

Get a clue, Barone. We’re toast. There will be no more fair federal elections; the fix is in.


8 posted on 11/21/2012 5:08:33 PM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: neverdem

Sorry, I still don’t buy all of the negative talk.

Romney ran a good campaign right up until the end of the first debate. If the election had been a few days after that debate, it would have been a Romney blowout.

But instead Romney chose to sit on his lead and coast to victory. I’ve listed 10 things that went wrong for him (starting with a TOTALLY BOTCHED get out the vote effort) and he still managed to keep the election reasonably close.

Yes, Demographics are trending against us...but that is slow, and this country is far from lost - be we need a candidate that isn’t afraid to campaign hard to the very end - rather than trying to pull in that non-existent independent. I have one of those “independents” at work. She owns a gun...she’s married - to a guy...she is far from a flaming liberal. But she saw one commercial that said that Ryan supports no exceptions to banning abortion, and that was it - Obama got her vote...and, at the same time, 5 Evangelicals sat home (because of Romney at the top of the ticket) and didn’t vote.


10 posted on 11/21/2012 5:16:57 PM PST by BobL (You can live each day only once. You can waste a few, but don't waste too many.)
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When a guy who hates the United States like the Devil hates holy water can win the Presidency with a great deal of room to spare, the Presidency is no longer in play. Sorry, Mr. Barone...things are what they are.

When the Senate can stay in the control of a guy who despises the United States only slightly less than he loves his own navel, the Senate is no longer in play. Again, sorry, things are what they are.

In the next four years we will certainly get a Supreme Court with an utterly illiterate majority, so the trifecta will be complete. If Boehner has even one testicle, he will make sure we go off the fiscal cliff. Then the liberals who want the United States to collapse can get what they want.

I doubt the microscope exists that can find a Boehner testicle. So, we will only collapse when we get to the hyperinflation that obama wants.

The question is: Will all the eunuchs and female children who wanted obama then be happy? Ecstatic will likely be the story.

Fighting reality is a prescription for boundless sorrow.

11 posted on 11/21/2012 5:20:53 PM PST by stevem
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The Marxists have a much better Organization both in Breadth and Depth. Literally thousands of organizations from very small neighborhood types to massive nationwide ones, ie SEIU etc.Tens of thousands of volunteers are ready to hit the phones and ring the doorbells and they are increasing the numbers daily in the colleges, universities and yes, even the high schools. This isn’t a game of potsy and the Pubbies had better learn it damn fast or they are history.


12 posted on 11/21/2012 5:23:05 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: neverdem

I have dug into the trench and the GOP is AWOL.


13 posted on 11/21/2012 5:23:25 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: AuH2ORepublican; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; sickoflibs; GOPsterinMA; MitchellC; goldstategop; ...
I draw two conclusions from these figures, one with some certainty and one tentatively.

One is that Democrats have a structural advantage in the Electoral College. An extra 2.46 points of the popular vote netted Obama 80 more electoral votes than Kerry. Obama won 58 percent or more in 11 states and D.C. with 163 electoral votes. He needed only 107 more to win.

In 2004, the 16 states Bush won with 58 percent or more had only 130 electoral votes. He needed 140 more to win and barely got them.

LAME.

I call on the PA and MI GOP state governments to wake up and divide electoral votes by congressional district (PA considered this before this election). There is no reason for them not to do it. This would have netted us at least 15 or so E votes.

17 posted on 11/21/2012 5:29:32 PM PST by Impy (Boehner for President - 2013)
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To: neverdem

“In play” like an NCAA football game is when Northern Illinois takes the field against Nebraska.

Seriously..no, Michael ... the White House isn`t “in play” for the GOP anymore. However, Republicans still need to fundraise and go through the motions of a nomination, because down-ticket candidates who have a chance to win could benefit from their efforts.


18 posted on 11/21/2012 5:30:01 PM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: neverdem

Michael Barone?

Didn’t he used to be somebody before he fell to earth?


21 posted on 11/21/2012 5:45:03 PM PST by Iron Munro (Michelle and Barack: Robbing From The Hood and Boy Blunder)
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To: neverdem

Another GOPe trying some math for the next fake presidential election. Don’t be a sucker.


22 posted on 11/21/2012 5:47:24 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: neverdem

They need to quit eliminating conservatives.


29 posted on 11/21/2012 7:04:28 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: neverdem

Barone was pretty confident Romney would win. I guess he was using the old models of Democrat cheating. The new model features enhanced ballot stuffing and ballot destruction.


33 posted on 11/21/2012 7:58:39 PM PST by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: neverdem

Republicans did nothing absolutely NOTHING about illegal aliens voting in 2012.. 2016 will be worse.. the only fact missing is illegal aliens voting in 2008..

Republicans (at the Top) have been complicit in aliens voting by DOING LITTLE OR NOTHING.. since Reagan..

ALL republicans need a re-think on THEIR OWN complicitcy..
Illegals have been voting for decades.. and felons as well.. even the dead..

Nothing to brag about “being a republican”..


35 posted on 11/21/2012 10:08:54 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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36 posted on 11/21/2012 10:33:56 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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The Way Forward

The Nasty GOP? For some conservatives, the labels “nasty” and “mean” are well earned.

The Voters Who Stayed Home

Illinois: Federal Court Upholds Right to Keep and Bear Arms and Awards the NRA $125,000 in Attorney’s Fees

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37 posted on 11/21/2012 10:34:55 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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The Way Forward

The Nasty GOP? For some conservatives, the labels “nasty” and “mean” are well earned.

The Voters Who Stayed Home

Illinois: Federal Court Upholds Right to Keep and Bear Arms and Awards the NRA $125,000 in Attorney’s Fees

Some noteworthy articles about politics, foreign or military affairs, IMHO, FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.

38 posted on 11/21/2012 10:36:02 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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