Posted on 11/28/2012 3:24:22 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
This summer, friends and I took a cruise in Alaska where the tourist shops often featured the Russian matryoshka dolls. The dolls originated in Japan but were made popular in Russia around the time of the Russian Revolution, a century ago. You've seen them -- you pop open an outer doll, and nested inside is another. The magic of the art is that you keep opening layer after layer, only to find another even smaller doll, until at last the final incarnation is just a kernel in size. The successive dolls vary from near exact duplicates with hard-to-identify slight variations to entire chess game piece sets, each nested one inside another. Shoppers pass the various pieces around to their fellow vacationers, amazed at the intricate artwork and comparing the design, shape, and ingenuity with which each piece fits neatly into the next. Eventually somebody, usually not the same person who began this process, starts trying to put it all back together again, in just the right order.
We are at a similar midway point now.
Generations of invaluable life and treasure have been spent dismantling the hollow but vast "Evil Empires," yet we did not destroy them. Their vacuous, threatening shells are all around us now, lying askance in the Globalist's Tourista Dream Shop...waiting...
America, like the rest of the world, just watched the spectacular closing scene of yet another act in a drama that has been unfolding for a very long time. We pause in stunned silence as the curtains close on the four fading visages of our hallowed warrior-poets, handsome and strong. Their lives were dedicated to writing a new future for the "Mid-East Projects" we are engaged in -- and protecting that future.
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We DO understand that. What you seem to be missing is that someone issued a stand down order TWICE to the SEALs because they requested permission to aid the ambassador and they were IN COUNTRY. THEY didn’t NEED CBA. THEY WERE ALREADY THERE!
In the end, they disobeyed those orders or thirty more Americans might have died. Everyone keeps saying this was a planned kidnapping...except me...because Smith and Stevens were already dead BEFORE the SEALs got there. And the other Americans were still under fire.
The rescue team that arrived from Tripoli was first delayed at the airport and then ambushed. It wasn’t a planned kidnapping. It was a planned murder.
And what everyone else seems to forget as well, is that if all had gone according to plan, the entire muslim uprising throughout the ME WOULD HAVE BEEN BLAMED ON ISRAEL.
You all know how obama loves to rub things in people’s faces. WHILE this was going on, obastard actually called Netanyahu on the phone and talked for an HOUR.
YOU asked me what I knew. I am telling you what I KNOW and no one seems to be paying attention.
They were SETTING ISRAEL UP! That was Plan A. Had Walid Shoebat not identified the so-called filmmaker, Israel would have borne the brunt of the US government’s anger for creating a video that was made at THE behest of our OWN government. Israel, and ultimately, Netanyahu, who is facing elections himself, would have been blamed for the death of Ambassador Stevens and Stevens would be out of the way because he was becoming antsy. Stevens KNEW he was going to be killed. He SAID so.
His name was on an al qaeda kill list. Retribution in kind for the killing of yahya al libi. But the administration’s hands would have been clean. They even tried to continue with the plan AFTER they were exposed.
Why do you think obastard gave that insane speech at the UN? It was to incite the muslims to even more violence and it had nothing to do with being reelected because at the time, he wasn’t sure he would be and he was tying up loose ends as fast as he could.
Isn't it true that the military has gamed out and planned for these types of situations?
Did they start to implement rescue plans when they were told they did not have CBA? What happened then?
We need a slogan to get past the MSM, keep it in the public consciousness, and get truthful answers to WTF happened!
Yes.
Did they start to implement rescue plans when they were told they did not have CBA? What happened then?
Yes, evidence points in that direction (imho), and then a bunch of cussin', yellin', and name calling after denied twice or three times (imho).
If they haven't, someone is slacking off. It is part of the job to anticipate any possible scenario and have a plan, so you don't get surprised.Did they start to implement rescue plans when they were told they did not have CBA? What happened then?
That could be, but the time to start is before you get authorization, just short of jumping off. Then when the word comes down you either go or stand down.
I'd wager the assets were ready for the green light that never came or already on the way when the commanding officers were relieved of command, then the missions were aborted.
“I’d wager the assets were ready for the green light that never came or already on the way when the commanding officers were relieved of command, then the missions were aborted.”
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I know you are right. That is the only plausible explanation. We just have to to prove it, and, as you have said, get the truth out - despite the 0-bot media.
I think the semantics matter. If you push the idea that an order was given to 'stand down' when no such order is necessary and when it wouldn't even be considered an order if the POTUS denied requests for a CBA and rescue attempt you set up an easy rebuttal for 0bama's defenders.
There is no doubt whatsoever that the assets were in motion preparing to receive an order to go.
One is misfeasance, the other is treason (or about as close as it gets) and there is a difference. Only Treason is a hanging offense.
Three Facts
Fact One:
1) Only the POTUS can authorize a CBA (cross border authority) command for a rescue mission in a foreign nation.
Plus Fact Two:
2) No rescue mission was attempted.
Equals Fact Three:
3) 0bama turned his back on 41 State Dept. and CIA employees refusing to issue a CBA command and went to bed so he could go to Las Vegas the next day.
Don’t leave out fact 4: Pursued the systematic removal of any in authority who even attempted to proceed or who laid the blame for their lawful inability to do so at the White House Steps.
“If you push the idea that an order was given to ‘stand down’ when no such order is necessary...”
There is a huge misunderstanding here. A stand down order to rhe MILITARY was never issued for exactly the reason we have been saying all along. If obama wasn’t there or had already refused CBA, no stand down order would have been necessary because they could not have proceeded without authority from the o.
BUT, an order to stand down WAS given THREE TIMES to the EX SEALs who requested permission to go to the aid of Chris Stevens and Sean Smith. THAT order has been terribly misconstrued by the press as well as almost everyone who seeks to ignore that simple fact.
They have taken the order given to the SEALs and extended it to the entire military which has conveniently overlooked the FACT that Ham has already stated that there was no military response because NONE WAS REQUESTED OR ORDERED BY ANYONE.
These are two completely separate facts which have been mistakenly, or maybe NOT so mistakenly, combined as if that order to stand down was actually issued to the military, but it wasn’t.
And then, to conflate and confuse the entire issue, the CYA story has evolved that no stand down order was EVER issued by anyone. THAT is a lie straight up. And that lie has added to, and perpetuated, the confusion and chaos that is so welcomed by the admin and the state department.
So WHO ordered the SEALs who were EX military, to stand down BEFORE Chris Stevens and Sean Smith were murdered? THEY did not NEED Cross Border Authority because they were already in country on a NON MILITARY contract. Yet they were specifically ordered by SOMEONE to stand down, not once, but three times and the third order was disobeyed.
By then, Stevens and Smith had already been murdered. The cia, via petraeus, stated that NO ONE in the cia gave the ex SEALs that order. So the question remains, WHO DID? Because THAT person is as responsible for the deaths of those four Anericans as obama is.
IF the order did not come from either the cia OR the pentagon, then all that is left is the state department. THAT means hillary.
Every single American stationed in Benghazi would have died had the SEALs NOT disobeyed direct orders. They deserve more, much more than being called “bumps in the road.”
Travis, help me here.
Meant to ping you to the above post. Don’t have a clue who I ended up pinging.
I don't think we have any idea who told Ty Woods to stay at the 'annex' but it was most likely someone in the State Dept. in Tripoli. As for Glen Doherty; he was in Tripoli at the time that Woods was requesting permission to go to the main consulate. Doherty and seven others flew from Tripoli to Benghazi to evacuate all of the personnel there and got there after Woods had gotten everybody back to the 'annex.'
I would like to see a source for that. Once a CIR (critical incident report) is triggered the preparations for a rescue are automatically put into motion. No one has to request anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=e4W1LDSs5X4#!
AFRICOM leader General Carter Ham was never given the order to secure the consulate in Benghazi. This is what the general told Rep. Jason Chaffetz after the 9-11 Benghazi terror attack.
The questions concerning General Ham’s role in the September 11 events continue to percolate. Congressman Jason Chaffetz, Utah Republican, said that General Ham told him during a visit to Libya that he had never been asked to provide military support for the Americans under attack in Benghazi. Former United States Ambassador to the U.N. John R, Bolton also mentioned Mr. Chaffetz’s account, and contrasted it with Mr. Panetta’s statement that General Ham had been part of the team that made the decision not to send in forces. “General Ham has now been characterized in two obviously conflicting ways,” Mr. Bolton concluded. “Somebody ought to find out what he actually was saying on September the eleventh.”
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From everything I have seen and heard since, it is entirely plausible that Ham WANTED to respond but could not and resigned early because of it. The order was not forthcoming and he was so informed by panetta. He was not given an order to stand down. He was given no order at all.
That would make THIS: “Mr. Panetta’s statement that General Ham had been part of the team that made the decision not to send in forces.” technically true and everyone simply made the inference that Ham had agreed with the decision...which is probably NOT true even though that is what panetta’s statement implied.
...Ham has already stated that there was no military response because NONE WAS REQUESTED OR ORDERED BY ANYONE.
I think I proved that no request was necessary to put the wheels in motion. If Travis McGee's post about that protocol isn't enough I think I could find Gen. McInerny's statement that in fact forces were in motion and waiting for the 'go' order.
FWIW that is patently obvious without anyone saying so. I have been posting the proof of that for about two months...
But an order WAS necessary to move after the prep. That order never came.
This is so simple. And according to Chaffetz, Ham DID say he was never asked to proceed. Dear Lord.
“Congressman Jason Chaffetz, Utah Republican, said that General Ham told him during a visit to Libya that he had never been asked to provide military support for the Americans under attack in Benghazi.”
He probably DID speak to panetta when no order was issued to find out what the hell was holding things up and was told there was no order or that there was no authority for him to proceed and panetta did not have the authority to issue any order.
This is a pure cya bunch of bs coming from this administration. If we don’t keep the story straight, they win.
Which is what I have been saying for over two months before anyone else on FR did. Anyone.
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Only the POTUS had the authority to act!
0bama was notified immediately and automatically when the Benghazi consulate triggered the "Imminent Danger Notification System" alert. He did nothing.
Judge Jeanine Investigates Benghazi Gate Part 4 - 10/20/2012 video 6:53
Lt. Col. Tony Shaffer (U.S. Army ret.), former CIA Station Chief Gary Berntsen and former CIA operative Mike Baker
Howie Carr interview with Col. Hunt On The Newest Libyan Revelations audio 28:37
There are three scandals here...
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Denial of requests for security were a dereliction of duty. The lies and misdirection about the "video" after the attack were fraud and malfeasance under the color of authority. The inaction during the attack was something more than that.
The failure to act during the attack is the direct equivalent of desertion IMO.
ONE man had the authority to act that night.
ONE man deserted his post!
EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say
0bama abandoned his post. 0bama Is A Deserter!
I agree and confused statements like this...
...Ham has already stated that there was no military response because NONE WAS REQUESTED OR ORDERED BY ANYONE.
...don't help keep the story straight. It makes it sound like no alarm was sounded and there was. It makes it sound like no assets were put in motion and there were.
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