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Are Republicans Already Blowing the Next Election?
The New Republic ^ | December 3, 2012 | John B. Judis

Posted on 12/03/2012 4:56:26 AM PST by teflon9

In the beginning, [Club for Growth] targeted liberal Republicans ..., but it now extends to politicians like Lugar, Capito, Saxby Chambliss and even ... Speaker Boehner, who [normally] would be considered conservative. The Club and its allies see themselves as “insurgents” against a Republican “establishment” ... Republicans, Ramesh Ponnuru wrote in National Review, have to [be] “the party of middle-class economic interests.” “It won’t kill the country if we raise taxes on millionaires a little bit,”... Bill Kristol opined.

But the Club and its network blame the Republicans’ and Romney’s defeat on their not being conservative enough. “The first lesson” of Romney’s defeat, Judson Phillips of Tea Party Nation wrote, “is no more moderate Republican candidates.” ... Ignoring Mourdock’s defeat in Indiana, [Rep. Chris] Chocola cites ...victories of ...Cruz in Texas and ...Flake in Arizona as evidence that when Republicans take Club positions rather than “electable” moderates, [they'll] win.

If [they're] active for 2014 and 2016 ... [they'll] almost certainly make it more difficult for the Republicans to retake the Senate and [White house]. The Club and Tea Party groups successfully backed ... Sharron Angle in the 2010 Republican Senate primary against an “establishment” conservative who might have beaten ...Reid. This year, they [bet] on Mourdock in Indiana. And if the Club's opposition to Capito is any indication,[they'll] do similar damage to the Republican cause in 2014.

West Virginia ... has gone Republican in the last four presidential elections, because, ... voters there see the national Democrats as hostile to coal and guns. But pro-gun, pro-coal Democratic politicians ... continue to hold most of the state offices and both Senate seats ... West Virginia’s white working class voters, ... still see the Democrats as the party of the New Deal safety net and spending on roads and bridges and schools.

(Excerpt) Read more at tnr.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: hardcore; kamikaze; primaries; purity
Club for Growth may kill what it professes to love.
1 posted on 12/03/2012 4:56:35 AM PST by teflon9
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To: teflon9

There’s going to BE a next election?


2 posted on 12/03/2012 4:58:17 AM PST by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Old Sarge

There’ll be a next election. Heck even the Soviet Union had elections. Of course 99% of the people voted for the state candidate, kinda like they did in Philly where 99% voted for Obama.


3 posted on 12/03/2012 5:03:53 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: teflon9

Isn’t that what The New Republic wants the GOP to do? I haven’t looked at that publication in years but it’s always been a liberal one according to my memory.


4 posted on 12/03/2012 5:04:00 AM PST by ReformationFan
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To: teflon9

IMO this author has one “H” of a cleanup behind the ears situation if he ever pulls his head out of his rectum.


5 posted on 12/03/2012 5:04:00 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: teflon9

Those of us who consider ourselves Tea Partiers need to acknowledge that the movement has resulted in some studs-Rubio, Paul, Toomey eg-as well as some duds-O’Donnell, Angle eg.

I prefer that the risk of this continue; I’d rather lose a few than maintain the GOP establishment status quo.


6 posted on 12/03/2012 5:10:29 AM PST by almcbean
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To: teflon9

Republicans are constantly playing second fiddle to Democrats who continually outsmart them. The Republicans focus more on not upsetting Democrats and planning their losing defensive strategy rather than a winning offensive strategy.


7 posted on 12/03/2012 5:13:14 AM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: ReformationFan

The New Republic?

I don’t want a “New Republic”, a restoration of the “Old Republic” is a better solution.


8 posted on 12/03/2012 5:13:34 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: teflon9

A dar left wing rag like the new republic is so concerned about the GOP !!
Sure!!

Why do Obama newsletters like this crap alway give us advice ???
To hang ourselves with !


9 posted on 12/03/2012 5:21:04 AM PST by ncalburt (Axelrod Psych OPS has gone to 24/7 non stop - "The election is over " status until Nov)
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To: teflon9

So what? the Republicans have controlled the House for two years. All spending bills originate in the House. There is still a $trillion deficit. The Democrats could conceivably top that, maybe.


10 posted on 12/03/2012 5:27:45 AM PST by Daveinyork (."Trusting government with power and money is like trusting teenaged boys with whiskey and car keys,)
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To: teflon9

“West Virginia’s white working class voters, ... still see the Democrats as the party of the New Deal safety net and spending on roads and bridges and schools.”

The commie twit doesn’t mention that conservatives and republicans now control 30 states, which is up from 25 in 2010. Rats are getting thrown out of state legislatures by the hundreds. In some states. there’s not a single rat who holds a state-wide political office.

If conservatives are wondering where the political power lies, it’s in the states. Use it.


11 posted on 12/03/2012 5:31:21 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: teflon9

What next election? Its all over except for the shooting.


12 posted on 12/03/2012 5:37:12 AM PST by crosshairs (Hurricane Barry is 1000 times more destructive than Hurricane Sandy.)
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To: teflon9

The Club for Growth has given us the only semblance of conservatism is Washington. The Senate three years ago had maybe had a single person I would save from an oncoming bus...including our side of the aisle. Today, we have DeMint, Rubio, Johnson, Toomey, Lee, Rand Paul, Portman, Aloyette, Fischer, and Cruz.

We now have a base of principled people who not only vote better, but can get on tv instead of McCain, Graham, Grassley, and the old guard. Same in the statehouses.


13 posted on 12/03/2012 5:55:44 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: teflon9

It is time for a complete NEW party. . . . . . . . . .


14 posted on 12/03/2012 5:58:06 AM PST by DeaconRed (Is it time to give up? Hell NO It is time to fight the commie bastards for our beautiful country.)
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To: teflon9
It really doesn't matter anymore. President Cloward-Piven's singular goal of overwhelming the system is withing sight.

Once it happens, the next goal of killing 10% of the US population to show us who's boss comes on deck.

15 posted on 12/03/2012 5:58:23 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: DeaconRed

And run the CINO’s out of town on a rail. . . .


16 posted on 12/03/2012 5:59:49 AM PST by DeaconRed (Is it time to give up? Hell NO It is time to fight the commie bastards for our beautiful country.)
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To: almcbean

I know we are on side, but somehow Murdock is a grand failure, but no one talks about Connie Mack, Tommy Thompson, and George Allen who all lost easy races. They were all old guard, safe choices that the ‘establishment’ wanted over newcomers who would have been more conservative and responsive to the base.

Mourdock was an easy win if he didn’t make one mistake. He blew it in message discipline, but he was already a statewide office holder and should have won easily.

In a bigger issue...whoever was responsible for these Senate campaign messaging needs to be run out of town...all of the above should have walked easily into office. Yes, the presidential race was the main driver for voters, but in almost all the cases above, the the Senate candidate lagged Romney by a decent margin. The Senate failures this time can’t be tied to any one type of candidate, it was a universal failure.


17 posted on 12/03/2012 6:01:08 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"who's boss.

He don't want to find out just how many of US there are. . . .

18 posted on 12/03/2012 6:02:51 AM PST by DeaconRed (Is it time to give up? Hell NO It is time to fight the commie bastards for our beautiful country.)
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To: teflon9; bert; fieldmarshaldj; RobbyS; Impy; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; GOPsterinMA; ...
RE :”But the Club and its network blame the Republicans’ and Romney’s defeat on their not being conservative enough. “The first lesson” of Romney’s defeat, Judson Phillips of Tea Party Nation wrote, “is no more moderate Republican candidates.” ... Ignoring Mourdock’s defeat in Indiana, [Rep. Chris] Chocola cites ...victories of ...Cruz in Texas and ...Flake in Arizona as evidence that when Republicans take Club positions rather than “electable” moderates, [they'll] win.
If [they're] active for 2014 and 2016 ... [they'll] almost certainly make it more difficult for the Republicans to retake the Senate and [White house]. The Club and Tea Party groups successfully backed ... Sharron Angle in the 2010 Republican Senate primary against an “establishment” conservative who might have beaten ...Reid. This year, they [bet] on Mourdock in Indiana. And if the Club's opposition to Capito is any indication,[they'll] do similar damage to the Republican cause in 2014. “

This type of civil war will certainly help Dems.
We have to side with either Romney or Angle? that is the debate?? If so we are screwed.

I like Stephen Moore, but:

If Club for Growth is saying that House Republicans should not pass a bill raising taxes, then I agree 100%. Doing (giving in on that) that will only destroy the R party and help Obama.

BUT If Club for Growth is saying that House Republicans should refuse to extend ANY tax cuts unless O+Reid cave and affirmatively take action to extend them for millionaires and billionaires (you know the Dem talking points)too then that is party suicide, as it was a year ago with FICA.

Lets try some sanity here. Romney ran almost his whole campaign on those tax cuts so the Romney-versus Angle analogy above makes little sense.

19 posted on 12/03/2012 6:04:05 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems want to win.The GOP wants to whine. Why dont they fight to win like Dems do?)
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To: teflon9
But the Club and its network blame the Republicans’ and Romney’s defeat on their not being conservative enough.

Looks like they are on a RINO hunt. This is bad thing?

20 posted on 12/03/2012 6:04:50 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
If elections were untrustworthy this election, imagine the fraud generated in 2 to 4 years. The Dems are becoming very brazen about it.
21 posted on 12/03/2012 6:07:20 AM PST by wintertime
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To: teflon9

Seeing how it’s all over the media that it’s going to be the Republicans fault if we go over the cliff, I say give the POS what he wants and make him own the consequences. When things start getting so bad that he can’t cover it any more, people will start getting angry and there will be no one to blame but obama. He won. Give him a chance to implement more failed policies so we can throw it in their faces when it all comes crashing down.


22 posted on 12/03/2012 6:11:59 AM PST by jersey117
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To: teflon9

How does anyone figure that Boehner is conservative?


23 posted on 12/03/2012 6:13:42 AM PST by ptsal (E)
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To: sickoflibs

“We have to side with either Romney or Angle? that is the debate?? If so we are screwed.”

Blame the GOP Establishment for foisting upon us candidates “who can appeal to moderates” such as Romney, Dole, McCain, Specter, Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe (to name a few) and sandbagging genuine conservatives such as Sarah, Sharon Angle, Christine O’Donnell, and Todd Akin.

The GOP Establishment (pols, lobbyists, campaign consultants, pundits) would rather have President Obama in office and Washington under control of Democrats that risk letting genuine conservatives take over their power base.

It is time for a new party - a genuine, conservative party.


24 posted on 12/03/2012 6:41:19 AM PST by Perkalong (GOP 2012 = Whigs 1856)
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To: Perkalong

Someone prominent needs to make a first step now.

This has failed.

The GOP needs to go away. And we need a real party, which is not going to export American jobs.

Now.


25 posted on 12/03/2012 6:44:10 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: ilgipper
I know we are on side, but somehow Murdock is a grand failure, but no one talks about Connie Mack, Tommy Thompson, and George Allen who all lost easy races.

Incorrect

Mack, Thompson, and Allen lost in swing states, Mourdock lost in a red state. Furthermore, Mourdock lost by a bigger percentage margin than either Thompson or Allen. I will concede that Mack got obliterated.

26 posted on 12/03/2012 6:55:38 AM PST by staytrue
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To: teflon9
The Republican Party will not win another national election. With touch screen voting machines spreading an election is simply a ratification of what the supervisors of the machines have determined.

If the elections were honest even then it is not likely that republicans can win. Bush 2 was the last Republican who could win a national election. He was a Real Republican like all the other bobdoles but showed an actual desire to be elected, unlike the others. The last real determined Conservative candidate was Reagan. No Republican to date is in line to accede to the bobdole nomination and no Conservative is even remotely in contention. In the Republican Party a candidate has to be in line for 2-3 election cycles to get the nomination. Without anyone in the pipeline the nomination will go to a second tier bobdole who will then lose, probably pretty badly. Conservatives call the bobdoles and the whole power structure of the Republican Party RINOs but it is the Conservatives who are not truly Republicans. Reagan was a Conservative. Eisenhower was a conservative, more or less. Before Ike there was Coolidge and there was Harding and Taft. All the rest and all the failed candidates save Goldwater, were Republicans. That is the Republican Party.

The GOP is increasingly a PROGRESSIVE party, not a conservative party. It is the American Fabian Society to the Democrats' Leninists. That will not likely change. Conservatives are by their nature mostly averse to running for office. People who strive for political office are already oriented toward Government as the mechanism for getting things done and solving problems.

27 posted on 12/03/2012 7:01:41 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: DeaconRed

“It is time for a complete NEW party. . . . . . . . . .”


It does seem that the GOP is showing a few symptoms of Whig-itis. But more importantly, we have what is a de facto ONE party system. This party, call it “Demopublican” or “Republicrat”, whatever, has 2 wings, Pubbie and ‘Rat. They differ on what Ralph Nader cleverly calls “gonadal politics” (e.g. abortion, homosexual rights), but save for a few outliers on either side, agree pretty much on the major stuff. Politics on the 50-yard line is pretty stultifying. This party has a monopoly on the system that would make the robber barons of old jealous. Real new parties with new, fresh ideas don’t stand a chance because the “demopublicans” have the election laws in all 50 states rigged their way. That plus a ghastly winner-take-all electoral college (it should be proprtionalized!!) creates a system that strangles third parties in their cribs.


28 posted on 12/03/2012 7:05:12 AM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: Dead Corpse

But just what is a RINO? The GOP has no manifesto that is cast in stone saying “This is what a Republican must believe, all else is heresy.” Those people we call RINOs now would have been called rock-ribbed republicans 30 years ago. A big problem (a cancer really) is the capture of much of the party and its leadership by evangelical protestantism, and it’s followers who vote disproportionately in the primaries—and, sadly, seem to make up a great deal of the Tea Party base. How else do you explain religious mystics and just plain wackadoos who make amazing statements on rape for example (or in the case of Chrstine O’Donnell, witchcraft!) defeating solid “establishment” candidates who would defeat democrats for sure in any general election. Even intelligent republicans like Marco Rubio are afraid of offending these white-picket-fence jihadis (darn it, the earth is between 4-5 billion years old, so just say it!).


29 posted on 12/03/2012 7:12:12 AM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: teflon9

RINO File.


30 posted on 12/03/2012 7:19:52 AM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: teflon9
If you are for more deficit spending, more government control, and in "playing nice" with the Socialists in the DNC?

You aren't "rock ribbed" anything...

31 posted on 12/03/2012 7:30:53 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Dead Corpse; teflon9

” If you are for more deficit spending, more government control, and in “playing nice” with the Socialists in the DNC?

You aren’t “rock ribbed” anything... “

Playing nice with Socialists(thugs) will get you a broken nose, a black eye, and a split lip. Our party fails, because the D.C. Republicans are cowards.


32 posted on 12/03/2012 8:19:47 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: All



Will there even be an election four years from now??


We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.

We must act NOW.

Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.

We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....





Can't you just imagine this was the scene with Obama and his Commie staff after stealing the election through voter fraud- while Conservatives blame Romney, argue, point fingers, blather on about who to run in four years, 'starting a new party', and try to figure out how to suck up to minorities the 'next time'?



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Map from Barack Obama Voter Fraud 2012


What most refuse to acknowledge is that it was unlikely that ANYBODY could have beaten the voter fraud planned and perpetrated by the Obama machine. They seem to prefer pointing fingers, blaming Romney and blathering on about who to run in 2016 and how to suck up to the minorities.

>Polls indicated that Romney was going to win the election.

>The economy is close to Great Depression era conditions, and unemployment is almost as high as when Obama entered office.

>Economic conditions became so dire after Obama took office it prompted the rise of an entire new movement, the Tea Party.

>Presidents rarely win reelection when the economy is in the tank.

>Mitt knew it too, when he was met by several thousand in that parking garage cheering him when he arrived unannounced at that airport, and he put his hand over his heart and said, 'This is how you know you've won'.

So how did Romney lose a race that numerous reputable polls and pundits predicted would be an easy win, based on historical patterns?

Massive voter fraud.

That and no other reason

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Col Allen West; "I don't want to see America become like Zimbabwe where people don’t trust their electoral process. If we cannot trust the integrity of the voting system then we are no longer a free republic".

Col West has opened the door.

We must fight election fraud.

It falls on ‘We the People’.

Silence is consent
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These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it won’t do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan: Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. See contact information below...

Read the rest- Here

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CANADA FREE PRESS: Here

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The website,'Barack Obama Vote Fraud 2012' is keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:

(Astonishing!) > Visit the site- Here
Obama Voter Fraud on FaceBook- Here

Sign this petition- over 99,000 and counting -cards, email- Here

Sign the ‘We The People’ petition. It has 60,000 signatures and counting- Here

WND List of voter fraud reports Here
ATLAS SHRUGS voter fraud list. Here


Click here and sign the petition for a recount Here-

< Hannity and Col Allan West slam voter fraud Nov 12- Here

Photo of SOMALIANS brought to Ohio voting stations by the busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket- Here

'Human Events', report pollwatcher eyewitness to busload of Somalians at Ohio poll, spoke no English, told to vote Obama Here

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Must watch videos!

VIDEO-- Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting- Here

VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers- Here

VIDEO- MICHAEL SAVAGE: How Obama fixed the 2012 election- Here

VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April- Here

VIDEO- Whistle blower speaks out about voter fraud- Here



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Voter fraud from Tea Party: Here

The American Dream- 22 Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham: Here

Town Hall : Obama Likely Won The Election Through Voter Fraud: Here

American Thinker: Was The Election Stolen:? Here

WSVN-TV Almost 1K Ballots Found In Broward Elections Warehouse: Here

Pundit Press; In Florida Obama Got Over 99% In Broward County Precincts: Here

Natural News.com: 19,605 to Zero IS Statistical Proof Of Outright Vote Fraud in 2012 Presidential Election: Here

Realville, USA: The Great Election Robbery of 2012? Here

WND: Here's How Touchscreens Killed Romney Votes: Here

The American Dream: Election Fraud? Obama Won More Than 99% Of The Vote in More Than 100 Ohio Precincrs: Here

WND: The Big List Of Voter Fraud Reports: Here

Nachum's List of Voter Fraud: Here

MORE:

Newt Gingrich 360: Here

Appalachian Forums: Here

Before It's News: Here

WND: Here

Political Outcast: Here

True The Vote: Here

Fox News Insider: Here

Human Events; Here

The Will County News: Here

Fox News: Here

WND: Here

Townhall: Here

Breitbart Here

Accuracy In Media The Left's national voter fraud strategy exposed: Here

Thousands of military votes uncounted or missing: Here

Human Events: Here

Front Page Magazine: Here

The Blaze Here

The Daily Caller: Here

Front Page Magazine Here

Military Voter Protection Project: Here

BreitBart Here

Townhall: Here

Fox News Here

The Blaze Here






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The best Obama Exposure site on the net, The Obama File: Here

The United StatesLibrary of Congress has selected TheObamaFile.com for inclusion in its historic collection of Internet materials Here







33 posted on 12/03/2012 8:21:56 AM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN)
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To: ilgipper
The question of Rubio’s eligibility needs to be settled NOW.
34 posted on 12/03/2012 8:26:58 AM PST by SMM48
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To: ilgipper

That reminder needs to get posted more often, thanks.


35 posted on 12/03/2012 9:45:37 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: teflon9

The next election doesn’t matter. It will be like deciding who will be the next captain of the Titanic, or the next coach at Auburn.


36 posted on 12/03/2012 5:41:13 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: From The Deer Stand

Democrats like Sheila Jackson Lee don’t outsmart Republicans. They exist in gerrymandered districts protected by liberal media mouthbreathers.

Harry Reid spun “taxer” conspiracy theories against Mitt Romney and he was forced to show his “papers please”. Ask the same of Mr. Transparency and you’ll be called a racist and conspiracy nut.

Stalinsts lie. Always.


37 posted on 12/03/2012 9:04:23 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: sickoflibs

There is no alternative to Capito in WV. The club should pick another fight.


38 posted on 12/04/2012 11:56:25 AM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: teflon9

I think we’re pretty much done with elections at this point.

On Rush’s show this afternoon he’s going on and on about how even “Obama Voters” don’t want ObamaCare...don’t want more taxes..don’t want the liberal agenda. He’s got 3-4 polls -even from illinois...supporting this. What he hasn’t yet done is drawn the obvious conclusion. When he does..he’ll be off the air in a New York Minute.

Fact is...IMHO this election was goung to be 60/40 R/D or 55/45R/D......and was stolen by the bankers....

We the People no longer own the electoral process.

Even Obama looked suprised...and certainly Mitt was.


39 posted on 12/04/2012 12:07:18 PM PST by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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