Skip to comments.Are Republicans Already Blowing the Next Election?
Posted on 12/03/2012 4:56:26 AM PST by teflon9
In the beginning, [Club for Growth] targeted liberal Republicans ..., but it now extends to politicians like Lugar, Capito, Saxby Chambliss and even ... Speaker Boehner, who [normally] would be considered conservative. The Club and its allies see themselves as insurgents against a Republican establishment ... Republicans, Ramesh Ponnuru wrote in National Review, have to [be] the party of middle-class economic interests. It wont kill the country if we raise taxes on millionaires a little bit,... Bill Kristol opined.
But the Club and its network blame the Republicans and Romneys defeat on their not being conservative enough. The first lesson of Romneys defeat, Judson Phillips of Tea Party Nation wrote, is no more moderate Republican candidates. ... Ignoring Mourdocks defeat in Indiana, [Rep. Chris] Chocola cites ...victories of ...Cruz in Texas and ...Flake in Arizona as evidence that when Republicans take Club positions rather than electable moderates, [they'll] win.
If [they're] active for 2014 and 2016 ... [they'll] almost certainly make it more difficult for the Republicans to retake the Senate and [White house]. The Club and Tea Party groups successfully backed ... Sharron Angle in the 2010 Republican Senate primary against an establishment conservative who might have beaten ...Reid. This year, they [bet] on Mourdock in Indiana. And if the Club's opposition to Capito is any indication,[they'll] do similar damage to the Republican cause in 2014.
West Virginia ... has gone Republican in the last four presidential elections, because, ... voters there see the national Democrats as hostile to coal and guns. But pro-gun, pro-coal Democratic politicians ... continue to hold most of the state offices and both Senate seats ... West Virginias white working class voters, ... still see the Democrats as the party of the New Deal safety net and spending on roads and bridges and schools.
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There’s going to BE a next election?
There’ll be a next election. Heck even the Soviet Union had elections. Of course 99% of the people voted for the state candidate, kinda like they did in Philly where 99% voted for Obama.
Isn’t that what The New Republic wants the GOP to do? I haven’t looked at that publication in years but it’s always been a liberal one according to my memory.
IMO this author has one “H” of a cleanup behind the ears situation if he ever pulls his head out of his rectum.
Those of us who consider ourselves Tea Partiers need to acknowledge that the movement has resulted in some studs-Rubio, Paul, Toomey eg-as well as some duds-O’Donnell, Angle eg.
I prefer that the risk of this continue; I’d rather lose a few than maintain the GOP establishment status quo.
Republicans are constantly playing second fiddle to Democrats who continually outsmart them. The Republicans focus more on not upsetting Democrats and planning their losing defensive strategy rather than a winning offensive strategy.
The New Republic?
I don’t want a “New Republic”, a restoration of the “Old Republic” is a better solution.
A dar left wing rag like the new republic is so concerned about the GOP !!
Why do Obama newsletters like this crap alway give us advice ???
To hang ourselves with !
So what? the Republicans have controlled the House for two years. All spending bills originate in the House. There is still a $trillion deficit. The Democrats could conceivably top that, maybe.
“West Virginias white working class voters, ... still see the Democrats as the party of the New Deal safety net and spending on roads and bridges and schools.”
The commie twit doesn’t mention that conservatives and republicans now control 30 states, which is up from 25 in 2010. Rats are getting thrown out of state legislatures by the hundreds. In some states. there’s not a single rat who holds a state-wide political office.
If conservatives are wondering where the political power lies, it’s in the states. Use it.
What next election? Its all over except for the shooting.
The Club for Growth has given us the only semblance of conservatism is Washington. The Senate three years ago had maybe had a single person I would save from an oncoming bus...including our side of the aisle. Today, we have DeMint, Rubio, Johnson, Toomey, Lee, Rand Paul, Portman, Aloyette, Fischer, and Cruz.
We now have a base of principled people who not only vote better, but can get on tv instead of McCain, Graham, Grassley, and the old guard. Same in the statehouses.
It is time for a complete NEW party. . . . . . . . . .
Once it happens, the next goal of killing 10% of the US population to show us who's boss comes on deck.
And run the CINO’s out of town on a rail. . . .
I know we are on side, but somehow Murdock is a grand failure, but no one talks about Connie Mack, Tommy Thompson, and George Allen who all lost easy races. They were all old guard, safe choices that the ‘establishment’ wanted over newcomers who would have been more conservative and responsive to the base.
Mourdock was an easy win if he didn’t make one mistake. He blew it in message discipline, but he was already a statewide office holder and should have won easily.
In a bigger issue...whoever was responsible for these Senate campaign messaging needs to be run out of town...all of the above should have walked easily into office. Yes, the presidential race was the main driver for voters, but in almost all the cases above, the the Senate candidate lagged Romney by a decent margin. The Senate failures this time can’t be tied to any one type of candidate, it was a universal failure.
He don't want to find out just how many of US there are. . . .
This type of civil war will certainly help Dems.
We have to side with either Romney or Angle? that is the debate?? If so we are screwed.
I like Stephen Moore, but:
If Club for Growth is saying that House Republicans should not pass a bill raising taxes, then I agree 100%. Doing (giving in on that) that will only destroy the R party and help Obama.
BUT If Club for Growth is saying that House Republicans should refuse to extend ANY tax cuts unless O+Reid cave and affirmatively take action to extend them for millionaires and billionaires (you know the Dem talking points)too then that is party suicide, as it was a year ago with FICA.
Lets try some sanity here. Romney ran almost his whole campaign on those tax cuts so the Romney-versus Angle analogy above makes little sense.
Looks like they are on a RINO hunt. This is bad thing?
Seeing how it’s all over the media that it’s going to be the Republicans fault if we go over the cliff, I say give the POS what he wants and make him own the consequences. When things start getting so bad that he can’t cover it any more, people will start getting angry and there will be no one to blame but obama. He won. Give him a chance to implement more failed policies so we can throw it in their faces when it all comes crashing down.
How does anyone figure that Boehner is conservative?
“We have to side with either Romney or Angle? that is the debate?? If so we are screwed.”
Blame the GOP Establishment for foisting upon us candidates “who can appeal to moderates” such as Romney, Dole, McCain, Specter, Scott Brown, Olympia Snowe (to name a few) and sandbagging genuine conservatives such as Sarah, Sharon Angle, Christine O’Donnell, and Todd Akin.
The GOP Establishment (pols, lobbyists, campaign consultants, pundits) would rather have President Obama in office and Washington under control of Democrats that risk letting genuine conservatives take over their power base.
It is time for a new party - a genuine, conservative party.
Someone prominent needs to make a first step now.
This has failed.
The GOP needs to go away. And we need a real party, which is not going to export American jobs.
Mack, Thompson, and Allen lost in swing states, Mourdock lost in a red state. Furthermore, Mourdock lost by a bigger percentage margin than either Thompson or Allen. I will concede that Mack got obliterated.
If the elections were honest even then it is not likely that republicans can win. Bush 2 was the last Republican who could win a national election. He was a Real Republican like all the other bobdoles but showed an actual desire to be elected, unlike the others. The last real determined Conservative candidate was Reagan. No Republican to date is in line to accede to the bobdole nomination and no Conservative is even remotely in contention. In the Republican Party a candidate has to be in line for 2-3 election cycles to get the nomination. Without anyone in the pipeline the nomination will go to a second tier bobdole who will then lose, probably pretty badly. Conservatives call the bobdoles and the whole power structure of the Republican Party RINOs but it is the Conservatives who are not truly Republicans. Reagan was a Conservative. Eisenhower was a conservative, more or less. Before Ike there was Coolidge and there was Harding and Taft. All the rest and all the failed candidates save Goldwater, were Republicans. That is the Republican Party.
The GOP is increasingly a PROGRESSIVE party, not a conservative party. It is the American Fabian Society to the Democrats' Leninists. That will not likely change. Conservatives are by their nature mostly averse to running for office. People who strive for political office are already oriented toward Government as the mechanism for getting things done and solving problems.
“It is time for a complete NEW party. . . . . . . . . .”
It does seem that the GOP is showing a few symptoms of Whig-itis. But more importantly, we have what is a de facto ONE party system. This party, call it “Demopublican” or “Republicrat”, whatever, has 2 wings, Pubbie and ‘Rat. They differ on what Ralph Nader cleverly calls “gonadal politics” (e.g. abortion, homosexual rights), but save for a few outliers on either side, agree pretty much on the major stuff. Politics on the 50-yard line is pretty stultifying. This party has a monopoly on the system that would make the robber barons of old jealous. Real new parties with new, fresh ideas don’t stand a chance because the “demopublicans” have the election laws in all 50 states rigged their way. That plus a ghastly winner-take-all electoral college (it should be proprtionalized!!) creates a system that strangles third parties in their cribs.
But just what is a RINO? The GOP has no manifesto that is cast in stone saying “This is what a Republican must believe, all else is heresy.” Those people we call RINOs now would have been called rock-ribbed republicans 30 years ago. A big problem (a cancer really) is the capture of much of the party and its leadership by evangelical protestantism, and it’s followers who vote disproportionately in the primaries—and, sadly, seem to make up a great deal of the Tea Party base. How else do you explain religious mystics and just plain wackadoos who make amazing statements on rape for example (or in the case of Chrstine O’Donnell, witchcraft!) defeating solid “establishment” candidates who would defeat democrats for sure in any general election. Even intelligent republicans like Marco Rubio are afraid of offending these white-picket-fence jihadis (darn it, the earth is between 4-5 billion years old, so just say it!).
You aren't "rock ribbed" anything...
” If you are for more deficit spending, more government control, and in “playing nice” with the Socialists in the DNC?
You aren’t “rock ribbed” anything... “
Playing nice with Socialists(thugs) will get you a broken nose, a black eye, and a split lip. Our party fails, because the D.C. Republicans are cowards.
Will there even be an election four years from now??
We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.
We must act NOW.
Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.
We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....
Can't you just imagine this was the scene with Obama and his Commie staff after stealing the election through voter fraud- while Conservatives blame Romney, argue, point fingers, blather on about who to run in four years, 'starting a new party', and try to figure out how to suck up to minorities the 'next time'?
Map from Barack Obama Voter Fraud 2012
What most refuse to acknowledge is that it was unlikely that ANYBODY could have beaten the voter fraud planned and perpetrated by the Obama machine. They seem to prefer pointing fingers, blaming Romney and blathering on about who to run in 2016 and how to suck up to the minorities.
>Polls indicated that Romney was going to win the election.
>The economy is close to Great Depression era conditions, and unemployment is almost as high as when Obama entered office.
>Economic conditions became so dire after Obama took office it prompted the rise of an entire new movement, the Tea Party.
>Presidents rarely win reelection when the economy is in the tank.
>Mitt knew it too, when he was met by several thousand in that parking garage cheering him when he arrived unannounced at that airport, and he put his hand over his heart and said, 'This is how you know you've won'.
So how did Romney lose a race that numerous reputable polls and pundits predicted would be an easy win, based on historical patterns?
Massive voter fraud.
That and no other reason
Col Allen West; "I don't want to see America become like Zimbabwe where people dont trust their electoral process. If we cannot trust the integrity of the voting system then we are no longer a free republic".
Col West has opened the door.
We must fight election fraud.
It falls on We the People.
Silence is consent
These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it wont do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan: Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. See contact information below...
Read the rest- Here
CANADA FREE PRESS: Here
The website,'Barack Obama Vote Fraud 2012' is keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:
Sign this petition- over 99,000 and counting -cards, email- Here
Sign the We The People petition. It has 60,000 signatures and counting- Here
Click here and sign the petition for a recount Here-
< Hannity and Col Allan West slam voter fraud Nov 12- Here
Photo of SOMALIANS brought to Ohio voting stations by the busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket- Here
'Human Events', report pollwatcher eyewitness to busload of Somalians at Ohio poll, spoke no English, told to vote Obama Here
Must watch videos!
VIDEO-- Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting- Here
VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers- Here
VIDEO- MICHAEL SAVAGE: How Obama fixed the 2012 election- Here
VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April- Here
VIDEO- Whistle blower speaks out about voter fraud- Here
Voter fraud from Tea Party: Here
The American Dream- 22 Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham: Here
Town Hall : Obama Likely Won The Election Through Voter Fraud: Here
American Thinker: Was The Election Stolen:? Here
WSVN-TV Almost 1K Ballots Found In Broward Elections Warehouse: Here
Pundit Press; In Florida Obama Got Over 99% In Broward County Precincts: Here
Natural News.com: 19,605 to Zero IS Statistical Proof Of Outright Vote Fraud in 2012 Presidential Election: Here
Realville, USA: The Great Election Robbery of 2012? Here
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Accuracy In Media The Left's national voter fraud strategy exposed: Here
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Military Voter Protection Project: Here
Fox News Here
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The best Obama Exposure site on the net, The Obama File: Here
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That reminder needs to get posted more often, thanks.
The next election doesn’t matter. It will be like deciding who will be the next captain of the Titanic, or the next coach at Auburn.
Democrats like Sheila Jackson Lee don’t outsmart Republicans. They exist in gerrymandered districts protected by liberal media mouthbreathers.
Harry Reid spun “taxer” conspiracy theories against Mitt Romney and he was forced to show his “papers please”. Ask the same of Mr. Transparency and you’ll be called a racist and conspiracy nut.
Stalinsts lie. Always.
There is no alternative to Capito in WV. The club should pick another fight.
I think we’re pretty much done with elections at this point.
On Rush’s show this afternoon he’s going on and on about how even “Obama Voters” don’t want ObamaCare...don’t want more taxes..don’t want the liberal agenda. He’s got 3-4 polls -even from illinois...supporting this. What he hasn’t yet done is drawn the obvious conclusion. When he does..he’ll be off the air in a New York Minute.
Fact is...IMHO this election was goung to be 60/40 R/D or 55/45R/D......and was stolen by the bankers....
We the People no longer own the electoral process.
Even Obama looked suprised...and certainly Mitt was.