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How A Legal Technicality Could Unravel Obamacare
Business Insider ^ | Dec 3 2012 | Lucas Kawa

Posted on 12/03/2012 11:24:59 AM PST by WilliamIII

Obamacare supporters rejoiced in June when the Supreme Court ruled the U.S. could use its taxing authority to mandate that most people buy health insurance.

But their celebrations may have been a bit premature.

The Affordable Care Act faces other legal hurdles—including a challenge that only could have been made after the Supreme Court’s ruling.

The right-leaning Pacific Legal Foundation amended its challenge to the ACA after the Supreme Court upheld the insurance mandate under Congress’ taxing powers.

The group's challenge turns on the Origination Clause in the U.S. Constitution, which requires that bills for raising revenue start in the House of Representatives.

Problem is, the group argues, Obamacare started in the Senate.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial
KEYWORDS: aca; affordablecareact; obamacare; originationclause; senate; supremecourt; unaffordablecareact
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1 posted on 12/03/2012 11:25:04 AM PST by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

The Leftist Democrats will say “That’s old news”. They will argue it’s just a technicality, and ignore the point all together.


2 posted on 12/03/2012 11:27:38 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: WilliamIII

It is a procedural technicality which will be ignored (or the ruling class will insist that it be ignored).


3 posted on 12/03/2012 11:29:43 AM PST by PGR88
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To: rockinqsranch
The courts ignored glaring unconstitutionality, ya think they're going to let a technicality stop their agenda?
4 posted on 12/03/2012 11:30:01 AM PST by DManA
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To: WilliamIII

Technicalities don’t matter in a dictatorship.


5 posted on 12/03/2012 11:30:40 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: WilliamIII

I could be wrong, but my understanding of how they circumvented that requirement was by using “gut and amend” - that is, taking an unrelated bill that had been passed by the House, stripping out the original contents of the bill, and “amending” the bill to include the Obamacare language. Under this process, the bill “technically” still originated in the House. The bill then just has to go back to the House for concurrence on the “amendment”.


6 posted on 12/03/2012 11:30:50 AM PST by CA Conservative (Texan by birth, Californian by circumstance)
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To: WilliamIII

fubocare was written as a tax, and fubo’s own lawyer testified under oath that it was a tax...

but, is it an equitable tax?

with all the exemptions written into the bill, the first time someone has to pay it (2014) it will go to court.

either the tax is ruled unconstitutional, or those that got them there nifty exemptions will lose them..

this ain’t over by a longshot..


7 posted on 12/03/2012 11:31:21 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: WilliamIII

The court will rule that the Congress governs itself and if there is an objection on procedural grounds it must be raised within the Congress. If the rights of the House have been usurped then let the House object. Ordinary citizens have no standing to sue over such matters.


8 posted on 12/03/2012 11:34:18 AM PST by SeeSharp
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To: WilliamIII

The court,as currently constituted,are in awe of the 21st Century’s Mao Tse Tung just as certainly as are about 50% of the population.Regardless of the Constitutional validity of this petition the SCOTUS will shoot it down...5 to 4.And,of course,Roberts will vote the wrong way.


9 posted on 12/03/2012 11:35:15 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: WilliamIII

I and many others here have been saying from day one that it was unconstitutionally passed.


10 posted on 12/03/2012 11:35:56 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Why is the government more concerned about protecting a microbe on Mars than an unborn baby here?)
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To: WilliamIII

The New Left has convinced much of our society to throw out the rule of law. The law is not just another tool for them to advance their agenda. The little people are irrelevant to them.


11 posted on 12/03/2012 11:36:56 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen
The law is not now just another tool for them to advance their agenda.
12 posted on 12/03/2012 11:37:43 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: WilliamIII
We no longer live under the rule of law.

We live under mob rule.

Whatever the mob wants, it gets.

13 posted on 12/03/2012 11:39:15 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: WilliamIII

There’s only one problem with this analysis: the Constitution is a dead letter.

It only means what the Supreme Court says it means.


14 posted on 12/03/2012 11:40:07 AM PST by Skepolitic
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To: WilliamIII

I’m not very optimistic about this mainly because all this was known at the time of the original ruling. It was still ruled constitutional.


15 posted on 12/03/2012 11:40:19 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: WilliamIII

If they ignore the fact that the Country is ruled by a kenyan would-be dictator, I’m sure where the 0bamascare monstrosity originated will also be overlooked.


16 posted on 12/03/2012 11:41:19 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty ( Fast and Furious , Benghazi - What's 0bama's current body count?)
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To: WilliamIII

How A Legal Technicality Could Unravel Obamacare

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“Dr. Orly Taitz, please pick up the white courtesy phone. Dr. Taitz!”

I can see this now. Birthers (of which I am one of) going from legal technicality to the next one.

Hoo Boy!


17 posted on 12/03/2012 11:43:47 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: WilliamIII

Obamacide will not be killed on a technicality. It might be mortally wounded when 20 or more states kick the legs out from under it by declining to set up exchanges at their own expense and put the burden on the Feds ..... and the ACA doesn’t provide funding for the setting up of exchanges by the Feds. Of course, the House Repubs would have to help out by starving the beast ....


18 posted on 12/03/2012 11:45:09 AM PST by MissMagnolia ("It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains" - Patrick Henry)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
There IS grounds for SCOTUS to reconsider based on their own damn declaration that 0bamacare is a TAX. The days (and NIGHTS and WEEKENDS) of Passage of 0bamacare is the most egregious and despicable chain of events ever to take place in our Congress; Every trick in the book was used to explain it and pass it. Deception, , corruption, lies, trickery, false representation, bait and switch.. The usual Alinsky tactics.

The BASTARDS passed it not mentioning 'tax', then argued it as a tax before the SCOTUS who should've shot it down RIGHT THEN AND THERE.

I have NO doubt that Roberts was extorted, bribed, paid off and that there's a highly incriminating FBI file on him that was used to get him to vote the way he did. Gay bath house photos, maybe? His smile looks a bit 'sweet' if you ask me; Fruitcake alert!

19 posted on 12/03/2012 11:46:05 AM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Georgetown Law School Professor Randy Barnett thinks Pacific will be successful, contending the Senate used a "shell bill procedure" to "scoop out" the contents of a House bill and insert its own language.

The traitor Roberts won't give an argument like this a second's thought.

20 posted on 12/03/2012 11:46:20 AM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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