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We risk being like Norway if we quit EU, says Cameron: Britain will be “unable to influence laws”
Daily Mail (UK) ^ | 02:56 EST, 11 December 2012 | Jason Groves

Posted on 12/11/2012 8:49:54 PM PST by Olog-hai

Britain faces being “governed by fax” from Brussels and reduced to the standing of Norway if it leaves the European Union but stays in the single market, the Prime Minister said yesterday.

At a lunch in Westminster, David Cameron insisted he did not want Britain to leave the EU. … He said: “I don’t want Britain to leave the EU. I think that we benefit crucially from the single market and I think it is worth understanding what leaving would involve. You can be like Norway, and you can have full access to the single market, but you have absolutely no say over the rules of that market.” …

In a sign of growing EU frustration with Britain, Jose Manuel Barroso effectively warned Tory critics of Brussels to put up or shut up—suggesting the UK should quit if it was not “comfortable” with the rules of the 27-nation club. Mr. Barroso said: “It is good for the EU to have Britain on board, provided of course Britain is comfortable with the situation. “No country is obliged to be in the EU—we are a free association of free countries. Now it is up to Britain to decide if it wants to keep its position or not.” His comments will pile pressure on Mr. Cameron to give in to demands from Tory MPs and stage an in/out referendum on Europe. …

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: davidcameron; europeanunion; eussr; liberalconservative; uk
Who does Cameron think he’s fooling . . . ? The UK has zero influence over EU lawmaking right now. There is only one country that directs EU legislation. Britain is already being governed by fax. And the “single market” harms Britain more than helps.

And Barroso is spouting another bald-faced lie: the EU is anything but a “free assocation” of countries, but an “empire,” just like he said back in 2007. And why would the EU be trying to ram a financial transaction tax down the throats of all member states if they were considerate of Britain? because that tax is specifically designed to wipe out London’s financial center.
1 posted on 12/11/2012 8:50:03 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Cameron wants an EU governed by foreigners


2 posted on 12/11/2012 8:51:38 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Olog-hai

Norway is laughing it’s butt off! At least Norwegians aren’t communists and they have triple average annual income comparing to Brits who are sinking into a third world.


3 posted on 12/11/2012 9:06:04 PM PST by cunning_fish
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To: Olog-hai

So, if you withdraw from the Soviet Union, you will become a satellite state?

NOT IF YOU DON’T WANT TO BE, YOU F*CKING MORON.

Sometimes, I think these people need their head checked. Unfortunately, there is some truth to what Cameron has said. He and his buddies in the other two mirror parties might leave the EU as a show-gesture, then kowtow to them in private. Okay, you will be just like Norway. Following the same multicultural, family-destroying, Islamizing, child sexualizing path. You might as well stay in the EU, Cameron. With you at the helm, nothing will change, whatever happens.

Recent statistic: Indigenous Brits make up less than half of London’s population.


4 posted on 12/11/2012 9:11:04 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: cunning_fish

Norway is laughing it’s butt off! perhaps
At least Norwegians aren’t communists! yes, they are at least a great number of them.
and they have triple average annual income comparing to Brits who are sinking into a third world !yes,perhaps so.
If they were like Norway, they would have a trillion $ in the bank instead of owing it to the bank, kind of ironic I think


5 posted on 12/11/2012 9:21:31 PM PST by munin
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To: Olog-hai

not quite, Britain does have a voice and it does influence. Not as much as the economic powerhouse, Germany, but it does.


6 posted on 12/11/2012 9:31:55 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: cunning_fish

Norwegians have heavier socialism than the UK, and their annual income is due to oil. Which, to their credit, they are shepherding the money earned from oil very well.


7 posted on 12/11/2012 9:32:40 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

No they don’t. If they did, then the EU would be more Britain-like. There is only one country that controls the EU.


8 posted on 12/11/2012 9:44:15 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: GeronL; All

Let’s see.....Cameron does not want to be:

Nation with highest per capita income (besides micro-states)

Self sufficient on oil and hydro-electric

Trade policy that does not ship wealth outside of nation...and tariffs products and nations that “dump” on it

Sovereign wealth fund that could probably buy the UK as a whole...and still have 100’s of billions of dollars left

Outside of its high tax rate....Norway is way ahead economically than the UK

Only a NutJob Free Trader Communist Globalist thinks staying in the EU will turn a nation into “Norway”. Gosh, most nations today would rather be Norway than UK


9 posted on 12/11/2012 9:54:55 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Seems that the ones who understand little about the economy are economists)
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To: SeminoleCounty

BUMP


10 posted on 12/11/2012 10:13:26 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: SeminoleCounty
(1)Only a NutJob Free Trader Communist Globalist thinks staying in the EU will turn a nation into “Norway”.(2) Gosh, most nations today would rather be Norway than UK

(1)Bump
(2)Too cold in winter. But Yes.

11 posted on 12/11/2012 11:20:40 PM PST by moose07 (The truth will out, one day.)
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To: Olog-hai
more "Britain-like" -- you mean the country with such a large percentage of its workforce in the public sector? And one with a National Health Care that is both public and doesn't work?

Nah...the Brits are able to prevent the EU from getting too integrated and to enable them to keep their free internal market with the EU

Britains position right now is fine -- not too close, not too far. it shouldn't muck in with France and Germany, but it shouldn't cut itself out either.

12 posted on 12/11/2012 11:51:42 PM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Cronos

The Brits have not succeeded in the areas you claim.

And the NHS is not Britain-like at all. More like the abomination it joined in 1972.

If you don’t think that one particular country controls the EU, then why is the social market economy written into the Treaty of Lisbon?


13 posted on 12/12/2012 12:08:22 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Hey, Cam! Just quit the EU and apply for admission to the US instead..........


14 posted on 12/12/2012 12:10:55 AM PST by Red Badger (Lincoln freed the slaves. Obama just got them ALL back......................)
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To: Olog-hai

Cameron: Britain will be “unable to influence laws”

They will not be bound by them either.


15 posted on 12/12/2012 12:26:24 AM PST by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by Obama")
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To: chainsaw

That’s the really important bit.


16 posted on 12/12/2012 12:35:47 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: chainsaw

“They will not be bound by them either.”

Bingo.


17 posted on 12/12/2012 12:50:47 AM PST by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Olog-hai

“And the NHS is not Britain-like at all. More like the abomination it joined in 1972.”

And yet the Brits had the NHS from the 1940’s. Talk about being prepared for the future....


18 posted on 12/12/2012 3:40:38 AM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian

Cameron is a conservative just as that great conservative Romney.... the Brit Tory Party is just like the GOP, a bastard child of Communism.


19 posted on 12/12/2012 4:55:37 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: iopscusa

Agreed.


20 posted on 12/12/2012 4:58:10 AM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: chainsaw

Since Cameron framed the issue along the lines of Norway’s relationship with the E.U. then what you say isn’t strictly true.

Norway has access to the European single market but is required to adopt most of the legislation passed in Brussels that deals with the internal market. Critically, Oslo does not have much input into the drafting or passing of those laws even though they have to obey them to continue trading with the E.U.


21 posted on 12/12/2012 5:05:37 AM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian

It’s not like they didn’t already have a shortage of socialists back then anyway. Churchill had a devil of a time keeping as many as he could at bay. And right at the end of WWII was when the talk of a “united Europe” started in earnest . . .


22 posted on 12/12/2012 11:03:58 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: iopscusa

I think Cameron has the jump on the GOP by his claim to be a “liberal conservative” though . . . many of the RINOs say nothing and still try to pretend that they’re conservative (McCain and many others), become “independent” (Chafee) or join the Dems (as Crist just did and Specter before him).


23 posted on 12/12/2012 11:07:16 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Natufian
No country has input into drafting any laws in the EU. Except for just one country.

Laws in the EU are conceived by the unelected European Commission, which has sole legislative initiative (they can only introduce bills; the Parliament cannot)—and the Commission passes those laws (no separation of powers). The only role of the European Parliament is to rubber stamp those laws; if they vote any of them down, the Commission merely sends the same law back to them repackaged, and either way, the Commission has the power to enact laws without them.

No other country except the one mentioned in that link I posted has the power to do anything with EU laws, for that country’s approval has a bearing on whether they become law or not while no other national parliament (especially not that of the UK) possesses that power.
24 posted on 12/12/2012 11:30:30 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

You’re mistaken.


25 posted on 12/12/2012 12:41:28 PM PST by Natufian (t)
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To: Natufian

About what, exactly?


26 posted on 12/12/2012 5:24:06 PM PST by Olog-hai
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