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UK: Sikh soldier becomes first guardsman to parade outside Buckingham palace in a turban
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Posted on 12/12/2012 7:05:19 AM PST by Cronos

Edited on 12/12/2012 7:08:14 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

London: Britain's Ministry of Defence says a Sikh soldier has become the first guardsman to parade outside Buckingham Palace while wearing his traditional turban. Fifty family members were on hand on Tuesday as Guardsman Jatinderpal Singh Bhullar as he took part in the changing of the guard at the London home of Queen Elizabeth II.


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1 posted on 12/12/2012 7:05:24 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

New Secret Service look in our future?


2 posted on 12/12/2012 7:11:31 AM PST by duckman (I'm part of the group pulling the wagon!)
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To: Cronos

Sihks are good people. Tough warriors. Anti Islamic. What’s not to like about them?


3 posted on 12/12/2012 7:12:02 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Lazamataz

That dude just looks like a complete bad a$$!!


4 posted on 12/12/2012 7:15:58 AM PST by Mathews (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV))
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To: Lazamataz

Yes, but he’s putting his religion/customs ahead of duty. I am sure there is somebody else who would wear the regulation uniform but is not a guardsman because of this Sikh.


5 posted on 12/12/2012 7:16:34 AM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Cronos

Jesus can’t come soon enough.


6 posted on 12/12/2012 7:17:42 AM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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To: Lazamataz

They are good guys. Had a Sihk doctor when I lived in the UK. He was a sweetheart.


7 posted on 12/12/2012 7:18:38 AM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Lazamataz

Indeed. The Sikhs have a long history and tradition of service to the Crown. I’m fine with it.


8 posted on 12/12/2012 7:22:23 AM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: Cronos
During WWII, the Brits had Sikh military police. They would stroll the streets. Not many limeys messed with them.

It was a Sikh who was killed here in the Phoenix area by a white dummy who thought he was Afghan because he wore a turban. Walked in and shot the man. Not much to be proud of there.
9 posted on 12/12/2012 7:23:58 AM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: mbarker12474

I agree that Jesus can’t come soon enough. Because if you’re a racist or a bigot, He will rid you of that soon enough by His grace.


10 posted on 12/12/2012 7:25:11 AM PST by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Cronos

The picture at the link does show a Guardsman in Greatcoat, but with a black turban in lieu of a bearskin. Highly irregular.

The picture that you posted is a Canuckistani cavalry officer of some territorial regiment. Note the Mountie and the maple leaf on the regimental badge on the turban.


11 posted on 12/12/2012 7:26:38 AM PST by centurion316
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To: Cronos

I know very little about Sikhs. I know they’re not muslims, so that’s in their favor. There was a time I’d have thought this a bad idea. For a state to subjugate it’s distinctiveness, particularly when it comes to the military, to an individual’s religion.

But, in the world we’re in today, it doesn’t matter. America is in a death roll, being overwhelmed by illegal immigrants, and takers, (often one in the same). England, and the rest of Europe, seems to be in a hurry to jettison their unique culture.

The world is descending into a new Dark Age, driven by liberals and muslims. It’s not going to be pretty.


12 posted on 12/12/2012 7:26:56 AM PST by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: Mathews

That’s only because he is.


13 posted on 12/12/2012 7:28:56 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Cronos

I would not mess with that man for any amount of money. He looks like he would rip off your head if ordered to.


14 posted on 12/12/2012 7:29:10 AM PST by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: Cronos

There is an unexplainable Sikh cult here at FR.

This nonsense is destructive of the West and is the loss of our own culture and common sense.

Conservatives for multiculturalism, even in the military.


15 posted on 12/12/2012 7:29:57 AM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: Cronos

There was a Sikh on duty at Ft Lewis WA, early ‘71.


16 posted on 12/12/2012 7:30:30 AM PST by onedoug
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

It really doesn’t matter whether they are good guys.

There is a uniform. Does a Marine in dress blues get to wear a turban????????

There is a specific uniform that is worn when guarding the Tomb on the Unknown Soldier. When they are walking the mat the uniform requirement is so specific that they don’t even wear their rank insignia.
Should they be allowed to wear Turbans? What about an Amish Shaker hat.

Can a female Marine wear a burka?


17 posted on 12/12/2012 7:30:55 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

Are we talking about the SAME armed forces?

This guy is a Sikh, serving in a BRITISH (or CANADIAN) unit. We’re not speaking of the US military. As far as I know, they DON’T allow turbans to be worn in any of OUR armed forces, and also as far as I know, there aren’t any plans to change that.


18 posted on 12/12/2012 7:34:40 AM PST by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: Former Fetus

Sikhs/Gurkas are DAMN Goob people! Mybe YOU should learn as to WHAT YOU are talking about.


19 posted on 12/12/2012 7:35:22 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: US Navy Vet

Good


20 posted on 12/12/2012 7:35:45 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: hoagy62

It’s the same principle.

If you think it’s okay for a turban at Buckingham Palace then it’s okay for a Turban at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.


21 posted on 12/12/2012 7:40:41 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: Cronos
Sikhs are not Muslims. They are honorable and courageous.

What's not to like?

22 posted on 12/12/2012 7:42:00 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: RummyChick
If you think it’s okay for a turban at Buckingham Palace then it’s okay for a Turban at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

It's their country, not yours.

I bet you get upset when furriners tell us our business though, don't ya?

23 posted on 12/12/2012 7:43:57 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: US Navy Vet

The Queens Foot Guards are professional soldiers.

Do you want to see your fellow US Navy members running around in Turbans while on duty?


24 posted on 12/12/2012 7:44:05 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: Former Fetus
Yes, but he’s putting his religion/customs ahead of duty.

Don't know about you, but putting my religion and customs first IS my duty.

25 posted on 12/12/2012 7:46:17 AM PST by Romulus
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To: RummyChick

If they were Gurkas/Sikhs it wouldn’t bother me ONE BIT!


26 posted on 12/12/2012 7:46:56 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You are completely missing the point.

If the rationale here is that Shikh’s are good guys so let them wear turbans in the UK - then you have to be okay with letting them wear their Turbans in the US while on duty. As well as other non-uniform religious items. Like Burkas. Islamic Head Wraps, etc.


27 posted on 12/12/2012 7:48:58 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

yes I’d be fine with it, at the Tomb or wherever.


28 posted on 12/12/2012 7:49:12 AM PST by RitchieAprile (the obstreperous gentleman..)
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To: US Navy Vet

So your fellow Navy member can wear a Turban as long as he is a Sikh - so then can your fellow Islamic Navy Member wear the Hajib while on duty?


29 posted on 12/12/2012 7:51:15 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

OK Just how many DD-214s do YOU have?


30 posted on 12/12/2012 7:54:17 AM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: RummyChick

Looks Canadian to me, most of the same medals I have.

That said, Sikhs are a far cry from the bad guys and have proved themselves over and over to be valiant and determined soldiers, I don’t have any problem with his donning his turban in uniform.


31 posted on 12/12/2012 7:54:21 AM PST by Bulwyf
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To: RummyChick
You are completely missing the point. If the rationale here is that Shikh’s are good guys so let them wear turbans in the UK - then you have to be okay with letting them wear their Turbans in the US while on duty. As well as other non-uniform religious items. Like Burkas. Islamic Head Wraps, etc.

In order to have a rationale, you have to be rational.

That leaves you out.

32 posted on 12/12/2012 7:55:09 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: Cronos

I have met many Sihks - all have been nice people.

That uniform looks way cool

Is it that same as every other uniform except for the hat?

(yeah I know it is not called a hat)


33 posted on 12/12/2012 7:56:48 AM PST by Mr. K (some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: Lazamataz

Concerning the turban...

Over the ears, calm your fears, ears showing, danger growing...


34 posted on 12/12/2012 7:56:52 AM PST by GraceG
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To: RitchieAprile

So you would be okay with a Muslim soldier wearing a taqiyah while guarding the Tomb of The Unknown soldier???

And when in Marine Dress Blues he is allowed to wear a taqiyah and not the white barracks cover?


35 posted on 12/12/2012 7:57:56 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: Lazamataz
Winston Churchill on Sihks and tubins:

"...British people are highly indebted and obliged to Sikhs for a long time. I know that within this century we needed their help twice and they did help us very well. As a result of their timely help, we are today able to live with honour, dignity, and independence. In the war, they fought and died for us, wearing the turbans. At that time we were not adamant that they should wear safety helmets because we knew that they are not going to wear them anyways and we would be deprived of their help. At that time due to our miserable and poor situation, we did not force it on them to wear safety helmets, why should we force it now? Rather, we should now respect their traditions and by granting this legitimate concession, win their applaud."

36 posted on 12/12/2012 7:58:28 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster

tubins? I shock myself. “Turbans”


37 posted on 12/12/2012 7:59:46 AM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: US Navy Vet

Not relevant.

There is a uniform code. There is regulated headgear.

Do you want your fellow Navy Member wearing a Hajib when you are standing at attention.


38 posted on 12/12/2012 8:00:10 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: Bulwyf; RummyChick

First, whatever the Brits decide as the ceremonial uniform for what is essentially a ceremonial mission is fine with me. It’s their country.

Second, The British have a very long tradition of different uniforms for different military units, particularly in their army (not so much for the RN or RAF). It goes back to their Imperial days. This is a recognition of that tradition. We don’t have that tradition here; you have the combat uniform, the duty uniform and the dress uniform. My recollection of the uniform for the Guards at the Tomb of the Unknowns is that it is the standard US Army dress uniform. I could be wrong, but it appears that way to me.

Third, I think this guy’s relatives and ancestors purchased his ability to wear the turban while on guard with their blood they shed for the Crown. And as long as he’s willing to do the same, I don’t have a problem.


39 posted on 12/12/2012 8:01:06 AM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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To: RummyChick

sure. if they took the oath and serve, and the Corp approves
the garb.

like it or not, they are part of us. sikhs and muslims are
here, they serve, and they are not going away.


40 posted on 12/12/2012 8:01:18 AM PST by RitchieAprile (the obstreperous gentleman..)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I am quite rational. It is a simple question. Should a Muslim Marine wear a hajib or a taqiyah when standing at attention next to his fellow service member.

This is not about whether a certain religious sect are good guys.

You can’t discriminate and give the “good guys” authorization to wear religious headgear and not give others the same authorization.


41 posted on 12/12/2012 8:03:52 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

US Army Captain, later President Ronald Reagan, banned this kind of nonsense in 1984.

Barack Hussein Obama has brought it back.

“”FORT SAM HOUSTON, Texas (March 25, 2010) — For the first time in 23 years, the U.S. Army is allowing a pair of Sikh Soldiers to keep their hair and beard intact and wear a turban.””


42 posted on 12/12/2012 8:06:56 AM PST by ansel12 (A.Coulter2005(truncated)Romney will never recover from his Court's create of a right to gay marriage)
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To: Scoutmaster

Keeping that quote for later use. Beautifully said.


43 posted on 12/12/2012 8:07:19 AM PST by colinhester
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To: henkster

Tomb of the Unknown soldiers don’t wear rank insignia when walking the mat.

Buckingham Foot soldiers are NOT ceremonial. They are real soldiers. They are protecting the Sovereign.

You could argue that the soldiers at the Tomb are ceremonial but you can’t say that about the Soldiers at Buckingham Palace.

Frankly, I don’t care what they do.
But you can’t sit here and argue it is okay for them and then have a problem when someone wants to wear a Burka here. I have seen so many people here get outraged at the idea of exceptions being made here in the US for Muslims but because Shikhs are good guys - let them wear their turbans.


44 posted on 12/12/2012 8:10:55 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: ansel12

“Barack Hussein Obama has brought it back.”

And where does it stop????????????????????????

Why can’t a Muslim woman in the Navy wear her Hajib???


45 posted on 12/12/2012 8:13:32 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick; All

RummyChick and everyone posting on this thread.

I hate to bust your bubble but the battle to allow a Sikh to wear his turban in the US Army was fought years ago and he’s wearing it now as an Army Officer.

Because of that many other folks of different religions are using that to allow them to wear their’s.

Also being used by the Ft Hood (workplace shooting) terrorist as to why he should be allowed to keep his beard.

Once you open the door...............


46 posted on 12/12/2012 8:17:02 AM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: Former Fetus
That IS a regulation uniform. He's the first to earn the honor of wearing it at Buckingham Palace duty.

Sikhs have a long and honorable traditon in the British military.

47 posted on 12/12/2012 8:20:35 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Former Fetus

Sikhs have served on the battlefield with our allies in their turbans for a very long time. The way they fight they can wear anything they want.


48 posted on 12/12/2012 8:22:00 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: PeteB570

Yeah, that was really my point.Once you open the door for the “good guys”....

Here is a Supreme Court decision. I doubt it would be decided this way today.

http://atheism.about.com/library/decisions/religion/bl_l_GoldmanWeinberger.htm


49 posted on 12/12/2012 8:22:47 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: Squawk 8888

And because you open the door for someone you think is a good guy- you can’t close it.


50 posted on 12/12/2012 8:25:47 AM PST by RummyChick
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