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The Leader of the Never Surrender Wing
Rush ^ | December 13, 2012 | Rush Limbaugh

Posted on 12/13/2012 12:07:52 PM PST by Kaslin


RUSH: Do you know, in addition to me being responsible for your state of panic over the fiscal cliff, I lead the Never Surrender Wing of the GOP. This is Norman Ornstein last night on the Charlie Rose Show. Norman Ornstein, the American Enterprise Institute resident scholar, and they were talking about the Republican Party. Charlie Rose said, "Is Boehner less afraid of his caucus than he has been in the past?"

ORNSTEIN: You've got groups like those led by Rush Limbaugh saying never give up, never surrender, we didn't do anything wrong, they'll come to us. You've got others saying, all we gotta do is flip the switch on immigration, turn amnesty from a four-letter word to a seven letter word and everything else will stay the same. And then you've got the pragmatists saying we've got a different political environment now, and we've gotta change our message, and that not just the words, but some of the context of it. Boehner is really in that group, along with people like Jeb Bush and Haley Barbour. And there are gonna be a lot of forces, though, who want to see that group fail.

RUSH: Well, this is his description of the factions fighting within the Republican Party. And he's just described the establishment GOP, which apparently is able and willing to sit by and watch themselves evaporate into extinction. Because he says, "Well, you know, you got Boehner. You got pragmatists. It's a different political environment now! We gotta change our message, gotta change who we are. Not just the words, but some of the content."

In other words, we have to stop being Republicans, gotta stop being conservatives. We gotta stop being Classic Coke and we gotta screw up our recipe and become something nobody recognizes or wants or likes. That's what we gotta do. That's what Ornstein says, and that's what the smart people in our party are doing. I (leading the Neanderthal, Never Surrender Wing) am saying, "There's nothing to change. We didn't do anything wrong. We don't stand for anything wrong."

And I believe this.

I believe in conservatism.

I don't believe it's wrong.

I don't believe it's to blame for anything.

The problem is that we have people who don't know how to articulate it, don't know how to express it, maybe because they aren't conservatives. And then you've got this third group saying, "Yeah, just come out for amnesty and everything will be okay, and then come out for abortion and everything will be okay." I think what this does, this sound bite proves what I have been saying since the middle last week.

And that is: What is underway here is an all-out, full-court press to get the Republicans to confess that tax cuts -- and maybe more than tax cuts. Not just tax cuts, but conservatism is the reason we're in this mess. "Tax cuts for the rich! Focus on the individual, liberty, freedom! That's why we're in this mess. That's why the unemployment rate's still high. That's why we're in a recession," and here Norman Ornstein is praising that faction of the Republican Party.

He's encouraging them.

Essentially the pressure is now on for them to confess. By that I mean admit that what they have believed all along is wrong. That's what he wants. And he says these are the guys that get it. It's a different political environment now. Change our message 'cause we were wrong -- and not just the words, 'cause the words were wrong, but the context 'cause the context was wrong.

"Boehner gets it. Boehner knows the Republican Party been wrong. Jeb Bush knows the Republican Party has been wrong. Haley Barbour knows THE Republican Party's been wrong." This is what Ornstein means. And, of course, how do we get out from underneath this? We admit it! "We admit we blew it. We screwed up. We and our policies caused this. Will you love us now?" And then out there you have the Never Surrender Wing led by me, and I'm the problem.

And the Never Surrender Wing, we're the blockheads. We're the Neanderthals. We're the ones that are saying, 'We didn't do anything wrong. None this is our fault," and as such, we ostensibly pose the problem. And you're in the Never Surrender Wing, too. I mean, if you're here you're either just a curious liberal looking for some thrills or you're a member of the New Castrati hoping and praying than that something overcomes me and I become one of you.

Or you're one of us of the Never Surrender Wing. So you're in that group, too. The middle group... I don't think there is a middle group, actually. The group that wants to say, "Okay, you know what? We're for amnesty." That's the pragmatist group. I'm proud of this. I am proud, ladies and gentlemen, to be the leader. I didn't know I was, but I'm proud to be the leader of the Never Surrender Wing.

So next up, Charlie Rose and Ornstein discuss Rubio. And they say that Rubio has the ability to satisfy you and me in the Never Surrender Wing and still do amnesty and save the GOP. Rubio is the one guy that can do this. Let's listen to the bite. Charlie Rose said, "You know who's interesting on the Republican side in terms of presidential aspirants is Marco Rubio."

ORNSTEIN: Rubio is trying to walk a fine line --

ROSE: M'yuh.

ORNSTEIN: -- keeping those conservatives, uh, of the never-give-up, never-surrender category, while also reaching out to those moderates. And this is gonna be a very interesting test. Can you walk that tightrope or walk through that minefield and have success? I think he may be the leader who's able to reach an agreement on an immigration bill, and that will give him a big impetus forward.

ROSE: M'yes.

ORNSTEIN: But whether he can navigate through the fiscal matters, but also some of these social matters after he, you know, fell a little bit flat by suggesting that he didn't know how old the earth was. Uh, that, uh, shows us that, uh, he's got a little work to do.

RUSH: Oh, gee whiz! See, I knew it! This is the same thing they did to Romney. It's the same thing as when George Stephanopoulos asked that question about contraception (when nobody was talking about it, thinking about it, caring about it) on January 16th at a Republican primary debate. That gave birth on the War on Women. A GQ, I think it was, magazine reporter asked Rubio how old do you think the earth is.

Rubio's commented on it before, but the reason for that question is, you see, that fundamentalist, backwoods, hayseed, hick, stupid, hillbilly pro-lifers think the earth is 10,000 years old because it says so in the Bible. Everybody else who's enlightened and smart and brilliant and open-minded believes the earth is billions and billions and billions and billions of years old.

So this question to Rubio, "How old do you think the earth is?" is a trap question. And Rubio said, "Well, that's a question for scientists to answer." I thought his answer was okay, but they accused him of dodging it and trying to have it both ways on it. I didn't even remember that but see, here's Ornstein, a big political scientist. Now Rubio's got the how-old-is-the-earth-question problem. Yeah, right. See? It's always something. Rubio has the how-old-the-earth-is problem.

His answer was identical to Obama's. Identical to Obama's. But, see, Obama arrives with the imprimatur that he's smart. He went to Harvard and all that. Yale, wherever the hell he went. Columbia. I think he went to all of them. And so, anyway, it's Rubio. He can do the dance. He can keep those of us in a Never Surrender Wing happy by surrendering on immigration (hee-hee-hee-hee) and whatever else.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections

1 posted on 12/13/2012 12:07:57 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
There is a correct Biblical answer to the age of the earth.

The correct Biblical answer is
2 posted on 12/13/2012 12:15:00 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

This fine ship. This fine crew.
Never give up! Never surrender!

3 posted on 12/13/2012 12:32:20 PM PST by AceMineral (Will work for money.)
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To: Kaslin

Whenever the media asks gotcha questions like that, instead of giving a thoughtful conservative response that will be wrong however it’s phrased, the candidate needs to forcefully tell the questioner that “that question is ridiculous. We have serious problems to try to solve in this country, and rather than sitting around contemplating my navel like the opposition is obviously doing, I spend my free time trying to come up with solutions to our problems, like....(list them). Next question.”

It’s what Newt would do.

4 posted on 12/13/2012 1:52:16 PM PST by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby!)
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To: Yosemitest
The Gap theory, that creation was "ruined" between 1:1 and 1:2, is a false doctrine. Light isn't created until Genesis 1:3. Satan and the demons aren't going to be doing much mayhem in the dark. And God doesn't make the hosts of heaven until :16.

But your great blasphemy is the lie that we shall be "Gods". Isaiah 43:10 says "...before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, and LORD; and besides me there is no savior".

There is only one God ever. There were no gods formed before him, and none after. One God. Not many.

5 posted on 12/13/2012 3:46:25 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting
And you ignore the rest of scripture
6 posted on 12/13/2012 3:53:15 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
Unless you believe that Jesus Christ is he (the only God and the only Savior there is--Isaiah 43:10,11 and John 8:24), you shall die in your sins.
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. (John 8:24)

He who? The only Savior and God there is.

Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and besides me there is no Saviour. (Isaiah 43:10,11)
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. (Isaiah 44:6)
Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. (Isaiah 44:8b)
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else. (Isaiah 45:5,6)
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else. (Isaiah 45:18--one of the verses you misapply.)
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. (Isaiah 45:22)
And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.(Revelation 22:12,13)
And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. (Revelation 21:3)

Revelation says we remain men and He will be our God, the only God there is. Anyone who adds to or takes away from the words of the prophecy of this book (Revelation of Jesus Christ) will be eternally damned. (Revelation 22:18,19)

7 posted on 12/13/2012 5:00:48 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting
When you get through drinking your spiritual MILK, maybe you'll grow up and start eating spiritual meat.
8 posted on 12/14/2012 2:36:41 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: nonsporting
Ponder this:
Yes, there is an answer to the question"How old is the earth?" that is Biblical
But you must remember: So, let's take a closer look at this.
So, Go READ THE BIBLE and find out.
9 posted on 12/14/2012 3:27:00 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

Jesus said “I am the first and the last” (Revelation 22:13 and in numerous other places). When you have an ordered set of element(s) with one element which is both first and the last, that implies that there is only ONE element in that set. There is only ONE God and he is Jesus Christ. This is the word of the LORD: “Before me was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.” (Isaiah 43:10b)

Your false doctrine that says that there are multiple gods is a lie straight out of hell. It will take you straight to hell.

10 posted on 12/14/2012 9:11:18 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting
Go your way.
11 posted on 12/14/2012 10:20:28 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
Go your way. I know you not ...

Who do you think you are? Jesus Christ? (You bastardize Matthew 7:23)

You espouse the heretical teachings of Herbert W. Armstrong (polytheistic deification).

The Worldwide Church of God of Herbert W. Armstrong (who died early in 1986) claims to believe in only one God. However, Armstrongism defines "God" as a collective term (like "church" or "family") referring to a family of distinct beings all having the same essential nature. Presently this "God family" consists of two members, God the Father and Christ, but it is their plan to reproduce themselves in human beings and so add millions or even billions to the God family.[6] Therefore, by the normal use of words on which our categorizations are based, Armstrong's world view is also polytheistic.

For a clear contrast between common heresies and what the Bible in fact teaches I present this link for any interested reader who has been following this:

"Ye Are Gods?" Orthodox and Heretical Views on the Deification of Man

12 posted on 12/14/2012 2:06:06 PM PST by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting
Not one of these references have you rebutted.
The proof is there, yet you choose to attack the messenger, rather than debate the subject.

I say again:
13 posted on 12/14/2012 3:43:00 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest
Not one of these references have you rebutted. The proof is there, yet you choose to attack the messenger, rather than debate the subject.

You are the one who doesn't want to engage. You haven't provided anything which counters the scriptures I have given you that shows there is only one God, not many "God beings."

Here is the critical heresy from your ealier post:

These two divine Beings, composing the nucleus of the God Family, created the entire universe, including man...God then undertook the most stupendous creation of all—that of reproducing Himself through human beings! The ultimate creation of God Beings as members of His divine Family, superior to angels, will be the crowning pinnacle of God’s creative power—the zenith of all divine accomplishment!

This is from the intro and point 6. This is NOT what the Bible says. I gave you seven (7) clear verses that God is one God, not two or more "God beings". The Bible never uses this language. Isaiah says there is one God: there are none before him and there will be none after him. Humans beings will not become God beings (Gods).

The Berean Call authors remind us:

The lie that brought about the fall of man was “Ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil” (Gn 3:5). In sharp contrast to this heresy, the God of the Bible declares, “that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.” (Is 43:10).

Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today and forever.

14 posted on 12/16/2012 4:48:03 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting
I have very little patience with you, ye under the deception of Satan.
WHO do you think was speaking when Jesus was baptized , that spoke and said ( ? )WHO do you think was speaking whenWHO said, out of a cloud ( ? )
WHO is "THE FATHER" that Peter wrote of "when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory" ( ? ) saying
THESE "God beings" are "one" in the sense that they are of the same mind, and of the same spirit.

WHO ARE "the Word" and the other "God Being" that was WITH "the Word" spoken of by John when he wrote Well ye under the deception of Satan, how do you confuse that one?

Okay ye under the deception of Satan, what is God talking about when He says through the Bible ( ? ):
Have you any thought of the difference between "Begotten" and "Born" ?

And finally, the word "MANY" ?
Explain this :
Explain this :
Now give those verses some very serious thought.
15 posted on 12/16/2012 8:14:23 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

Since you refuse to clearly respond to the contention: How many “Gods” are there? If you did, you’d be shown to be a heretic.

There is only one son of God who is God: Jesus Christ. Otherwise God contradicts himself in Isaiah 43:10. How many Gods does this passage say there are? One. How many Gods does 1 Timothy 2:5 say there are? One. How many Gods does Deuteronomy 6:4 say there are? One.

16 posted on 12/19/2012 6:25:36 AM PST by nonsporting
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To: nonsporting
Go away, Satan.
That was answered in comment #15.
17 posted on 12/19/2012 9:55:28 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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