Posted on 12/16/2012 6:25:59 PM PST by quantim
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democratic lawmakers and independent Sen. Joe Lieberman said Sunday that military-style assault weapons should be banned and that a national commission should be established to examine mass shootings in the United States.
The proposals were among the first to come from Congress in the wake of Friday's school shooting in Newtown, Conn.
"Assault weapons were developed for the U.S. military, not commercial gun manufacturers," Lieberman said before a vigil Sunday night in Newtown.
"This is a moment to start a very serious national conversation about violence in our society, particularly about these acts of mass violence," said the Connecticut senator, who is retiring next month.
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If they’re dumb enough to try, they’re going to discover that many of them won’t survive the attempt.
I suspect this fight will starts next month in earnest and not act like libs who are taking advantage demagoguing the issue before the dead are even buried.
It means the rifle wasn’t used, but because it was in the car, it will be exploited.
This afternoon the CT State Troopers held a press conference, which I watched. Their spokesman stated that a Bushmaster AR-15 was used in the shooting. The shooter had several 30 round magazines and extra ammunition. The spokesperson also stated that a shotgun was in the trunk of the shooter’s car.
“The mother had 3 weapons. So, if the little ones were killed with a .223, who was the 2nd shooter”
Looks like the long gun in the trunk of the car was actually a shotgun.
He used the Bushmaster for the killings.
When he heard the police closing in, he killed himself with one of his handguns.
Several news reports claim the shooter used a AR-15 as the primary weapon whit one or two hand guns along with a .22 rifle in his car.
Last I knew any AR-15’s in CT must comply with he former AWB.
Let's talk about violence Joe. If someone in my town picks up the phone right now, calls 911, reports a rampaging killer... The average response time for code 3 (lights and sirens) call is 10:45 - nearly eleven minutes you are on your own dealing with the situation, or merely being dead 10 minutes by the time the police arrive. At the rural HS where I'm friends with the security officer the County Sheriff has told him that it could be up to 20 minutes to get the first deputy on scene if something happens.
So lets talk about violence. You can't stop insanity or evil by taking weapons out of the hands of law abiding citizens. No, really, you cannot Joe. If someone is determined to commit murder and suicide you are not going to deter him/her with more laws. To someone prepared to check all the way out, breaking 5 laws or 50 laws makes no difference.
The only way you are going to stop that kind of person is with equal or greater violence. I know this flies in the face of your fanciful liberal idealism - that there's always a Hollywood happily ever after ending. Well, in the real world there isn't always that kind of ending. In the real world evil whack jobs will likely meet with some limited success in their plans. The best we can hope for is that we - as a society - have people willing to stand up and make a difference. People willing to act to save lives - yes by taking a life to spare further loss of life.
A politely ignored fact in our society is that the police are not here to protect us - individually. If a killer knocks on your door tomorrow, there will be no policeman between you and he. If a thug decides to kill you during a carjacking tomorrow, there will be no policeman at your door stopping it. The cold hard truth is most people are nearly defenseless in the face of violence because they are so unprepared to deal with it. The police are here to protect society, protect "us" as a whole. Their job is to catch the criminal - after a crime has been committed. That means there must first be a victim of that crime - possibly you or a loved-one.
Therefore, your defense is just about 100% your responsibility. The police will not be there to help you. Are you ready? Do you still think disarming everyone is a good idea? Are you ready to deal with the crew of 3 twenty-somethings kicking in your door in a home invasion?
So yeah, lets talk about violence Joe. Lets talk about being prepared to deal with it effectively. Lets not use it as fodder to drive some political/social agenda. If you really cared about saving lives Joe, you'd back arming every responsible adult, everywhere, all the time. Violence would drop off at a shocking rate if every thug and criminal knew that where-ever they went to perpetrate a crime they were almost assuredly going to run into multiple armed citizens ready to fight back.
If they want to disarm citizens then they should demilitarize the police too. I bet that won’t happen.
And that must be why a got a dirty look from that bearded guy at the Indy airport as I was zipping up. I thought it was one of those new Euro-urinals!
assault rifles are automatic weapons....they are already banned.
“Assault weapon” defined by the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban.
Here’s a good refresher primer:
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/guncontrol/a/Assault-Weapons.htm
“A Broadened Category of Assault Weapons”
“While civilian ownership of automatic weapons has been heavily regulated in the U.S. since 1934, most semi-automatic weapons remained legal until 1994.
“The AWB defined a broad category of semi-automatic rifles, handguns and shotguns with military-style characteristics as being “assault weapons.” The law made it illegal to make those weapons in the U.S. for a 10-year period. In 2004, the AWB expired when Congress did not vote to renew it. As a result, it became legal to produce and own those firearms once again.
“In general, the AWB defined any firearm with a detachable magazine and at least two of certain other characteristics as an assault weapon.
“For rifles, those characteristics included:
Telescoping stock
Pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Grenade launcher
Flash suppressor
For shotguns:
Telescoping stock
Pistol grip
A capacity to hold more than five rounds.”
I think the left wants to go back to that definition, including semi-automatic rifles, but only those with those features.
There was a reason Congress decided in 2004 not not renew it: It’s because even the critters recognized it was a stupid law. It invidiously discriminated between `acceptable’ hunting semi-autos (Elmer Fudd guns) and **evil** black carbines possessed by many of the yahoos here, myself included. (Before the tragic boating accident.)
Hope that’s helpful to anyone new here to our tussle with the fascist Demokratisch Sozialisten Parti.
They just want our guns, so we say over-and-over to them, `Come and get them’.
“This is a moment to start a very serious national conversation about violence in our society,...”
Hmmmm, Let’s see..Hollywood Movies, Television programing, Rap Music, Pornography (esp violence against children), living in urban areas and big cities, drug cartels and the invasion on the border, constant barrage of hate spewing from MSM, abuse of animals and children, domestic violence, Jihadists, road rage, car wrecks, constant attacks from politicians against the American people and their rights, high taxes and endless spending that attack the taxpayer, attacks on personal property rights, attacks against Christians,.....
This is the short list Lieberman, this should give you a place to start. By the way, now that you are retiring and don’t need Republicans to get elected, you can attack Conservatives again.
As a postscript, keep in mind that I believe all of us here are on the same page as to the real definition of an “assault rifle.” (Not Clinton’s definition cut from whole cloth.)
Read the article: the term came from (drum roll) California.
The military considers an “assault rifle” (notice I’m using scary marks) to be a rifle capable of fully automatic fire.
And Lieberman concedes this point in saying that they were initially designed for the military.
Those weapons are already regulated. I suspect most of us own semi-automatics, civilian pieces.
So there’s nothing here for any of you lurking Dims but heartache. Go away, save a whale, I say, or somezing, or I shall taunt you a second time ....
Liberals and their Commie media brothers again, change the language to fit their goals.
I’m not very educated (as of yet) when it comes to guns, but I do plan on buying one in the very near future. However, maybe I just have no idea what I’m talking about, but aren’t 3D printers going to allow people to “print” guns. Won’t these 3D printers just make it impossible for any of these gun grabs by the politicians?
I wish I could remember which moron freeper told me that the Democrats were not going to pursue gun control because it's a loser for them.
“I wish I could remember which moron freeper...”
LOL
“Only the rifle was used on the victims, authorities said.”
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20751617
“Lt Paul Vance from Connecticut State Police Department said the main weapon used was an assault rifle.”
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Neither article you referenced said that “the coroner” stated that all of the victims were killed by the rifle. The BBC article did say Lt Vance said it was the main weapon used. The other article quoted “an authority”.
Where did you read or hear that the coroner stated all victims were killed with the rifle?
Again, what troubles me is the inconsistent reporting in the press about this. The MSM is noted for agenda, but the accuracy of reporting on this has been horrible.
Yeah. Assault weapon = any semi-automatic firearm
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Only in the minds of lame-brained folks.
The old six-shooter pistol of the Western movies is a semi-automatic, since it will fire each time the trigger is pulled until all cartridges are spent.
IMO, an assault weapon would be one capable of full automatic firing. Such weapons are already banned by law, except for special registrations for specific purposes.
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