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N.J. Senate committee approves bill charging 5-cent fee for plastic shopping bags
NJ.com ^

Posted on 12/18/2012 3:23:22 AM PST by SMGFan

TRENTON — They clog rivers and streams, pile up along the shoreline and fill up landfills. And now, under legislation approved yesterday by a Senate panel, plastic shopping bags could end up costing customers five cents apiece at most stores in New Jersey.

Under the bill (S812), retailers would be required to charge the fee beginning in 2014, and offer only recyclable paper or plastic bags by 2015. They would also have the option of giving a five-cent credit to customers who packed groceries in their own reusable bags.

Money raised by the bill would go toward cleaning Barnegat Bay, which environmental experts say is having the life choked out of it by a variety of pollutants.

"We might be able to do an environmental two-fer here," state Sen. Bob Smith (D-Middlesex), a primary sponsor of the legislation, said. "We might be able to get plastic and paper bags out of the water bodies, reduce our solid waste stream and at the same time generate funds for cleanup."

The Senate Environment and Energy Committee approved the measure by a vote of 4-0, with one Republican supporting it and another abstaining. The bill was first introduced in 2008, but until yesterday it had not gained much traction in the Legislature. An identical bill is expected to be considered by the Assembly.

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Elderly, poor and minorities will be hardest hit. /s
1 posted on 12/18/2012 3:23:35 AM PST by SMGFan
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To: SMGFan

Wasn’t the whole point of these bags because we were “using up” all the trees to make the now-designated-recyclable paper bags? And there are numerous studies out there that prove reusable bags spread bacteria.

Everything old is new again, I guess.


2 posted on 12/18/2012 3:27:59 AM PST by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Little Pig

You have to remember that NJ is the state where it ts illegal to pump your own gas at a service station. All control. All the time.


3 posted on 12/18/2012 3:30:23 AM PST by Pecos (Double tap: the only acceptable gun control)
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To: SMGFan

Plastic bags do not harm the environment, irresponsible people who don’t dispose of them properly do. Sounds kinda like guns huh?

Leave it to liberals to come up with a solution that affects everybody adversely, when it’s primarily liberals who created the problem. Conservatives don’t live like pigs, liberals do.

Contrast the Tea Party and “Occupy” for proof of that last statement.


4 posted on 12/18/2012 3:34:10 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: Pecos
You have to remember that NJ is the state where it ts illegal to pump your own gas at a service station. All control. All the time.

Oregon is that way, too. I never understood it. I won't ever vacation there because of that.

And charging for grocery bags? Idiotic. Those bags have a lot of uses. So do paper bags. And I already pay for the bags when I get my groceries; it's part of the cost of every item sold.

5 posted on 12/18/2012 3:37:50 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: SMGFan

"....dat roll looks like dat reusable paper dat feels like sand paper.....it's gonna be one of those days"

6 posted on 12/18/2012 3:39:08 AM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: SMGFan

I re-use the bags for kitty litter, small trash can liners, laundry while traveling, etc.

So I guess it’s either pay for the bags or other resources to accomplish these tasks.

Gov’t picking our pockets one nickel at a time.


7 posted on 12/18/2012 3:42:48 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: SMGFan
...customers who packed groceries in their own reusable bags.

Customers don't pack these bags. Cashiers are expected to hold up a line of customers to "pack" them. I dare you to watch this mess.

8 posted on 12/18/2012 3:46:21 AM PST by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: SMGFan
Paper is far more energy-intensive than plastic. For the energy it takes to recycle one paper bag, 84 plastic bags can be recycled instead. And if you would rather go the landfill route, paper bags require seven times the landfill space as their plastic counterparts.

Idiots.

11 posted on 12/18/2012 3:47:41 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: eccentric

very sorry for the triple post


12 posted on 12/18/2012 3:49:47 AM PST by eccentric (a.k.a. baldwidow)
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To: Little Pig
NJ does not care if people die (bacterial infection from reusable cloth sacks)... as long as there is enough of them left to tax.

LLS

13 posted on 12/18/2012 3:54:09 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (A child is born in Bethlehem KING of KINGS)
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To: SMGFan

I don’t understand. They say the plastic bags will be recyclable starting in 2015, but the bags they’re using now are already recyclable. What will change (other than added costs to the consumer caused by government do-gooders’ meddling)?


14 posted on 12/18/2012 3:58:25 AM PST by Fresh Wind
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To: SMGFan

Not convenient every time, but you could buy a small box of garbage bags then take a few out after you pay for them and use them to put your groceries in.


15 posted on 12/18/2012 4:10:07 AM PST by synbad600
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To: SMGFan

That fee is only a nickel. But like a toll on a bridge, you can expect it to go up, and up, and up.


16 posted on 12/18/2012 4:12:06 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: exDemMom
You have to remember that NJ is the state where it ts illegal to pump your own gas at a service station. All control. All the time.

Oregon is that way, too. I never understood it. I won't ever vacation there because of that.

New Jersey's gasoline prices are still cheaper than the surrounding states so if you don't want to go into a meeting smelling of gasoline, it's not such a bad thing. Having the gas pumps attended probably doesn't cost much. I doubt they pay these kids a lot -- and it's probably not a bad first job for a kid to have on a resume -- it shows that they can show up for work on time without getting fired and handle money.

They'd also need to double the number of gas pumps in the state to have both self and full service islands.

There are a lot of stupid things that I need to put up with living in New Jersey but I don't mind this one.

17 posted on 12/18/2012 4:24:19 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: SMGFan

That first sentence was entirely fictional.


18 posted on 12/18/2012 4:33:00 AM PST by wideawake
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To: SMGFan

You sell them for $.05 and I’ll set up shop outside selling them to your customers for $.03.


19 posted on 12/18/2012 5:37:39 AM PST by GnL
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To: Little Pig

They did this in my county and for a grocery shopper.. it is a royal pain. I purchased some cloth bags but to be honest.. I got annoyed that I had to do laundry after each trip (to prevent contamination from Ecoli, Salmonella etc) So, any NJ freepers.. go to Ebay and purchase an entire box of the regular plastic bags (I think they are referred to as t-shirt bags). I got a box of 500 and they last. Stick about twenty under your car seat or in your trunk (the plastic bag ban usually applies to regular stores as well like Walmart, Sears, etc). Just a thought...


20 posted on 12/18/2012 5:47:07 AM PST by momtothree
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To: SMGFan

I much prefer the paper bags anyway.


21 posted on 12/18/2012 5:48:46 AM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: wideawake

That was my first thought also.

I demand to know what specific river/stream was “clogged” by plastic bags


22 posted on 12/18/2012 5:56:59 AM PST by kidd
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To: SMGFan
Our local grocery store uses biodegradable bags. They have a greenish color. After less than a year they fall apart (I know - last year's hats/mittens were stored in these bags and now the bags are dust).

Does the NJ law allow exceptions for biodegradable plastic bags, or is this just an opportunity to take more money out of the pockets of its citizens?

23 posted on 12/18/2012 6:02:02 AM PST by kidd
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I live by several rivers (Navesink, Raritan, Swimming, Ware), lakes (Natco, Takanassee) and inlets (Sands Point, Sandy Hook) and I've never seen this phenomenon.

It's entirely made up.

24 posted on 12/18/2012 6:04:52 AM PST by wideawake
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To: SMGFan

Is this going to be like bottel deposits? If so at 5 cents a bag (Just noticed that there’s no cents key on my keyboard) I can forsee truck loads of bags heading foe N.J..


25 posted on 12/18/2012 6:07:20 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: SMGFan

Our local HY-VEE grocery gives a nickel credit for each plastic bag re-used by the customer.


26 posted on 12/18/2012 6:39:41 AM PST by Straight8
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To: SMGFan
and offer only recyclable paper or plastic bags by 2015.

uhhh....all plastic bags that are currently being used are 100% recyclable. Hence all current bags would fully comply with the law. Friggin' doofuses!


27 posted on 12/18/2012 6:53:31 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SMGFan

They should charge a dollar.


28 posted on 12/18/2012 7:03:47 AM PST by sport
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RE: Charging 5 Cents per bag

Who is going to police the amount of bags used for each purchase?

Bag Boy: You want that double-bagged? Let me add that to your total. . . .

You can be sure there will be corruption in that scam.

TL


29 posted on 12/18/2012 8:06:38 AM PST by Tomato lover (God is in control)
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To: Tomato lover
Wer know that, but it makes the idiots feel good. And it is futhur evidence that as a Nation, we no longer have the intelligence to govern ourselves and must have the government wipe our collective asses.

In the Holy Bible, the Apostle Paul writes,"Professing to become wise, they become fools". Or words to that effect. If the November 6, 2012 doesn't' demonstrate that, nothing ever will.

30 posted on 12/18/2012 8:34:40 AM PST by sport
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To: Sooth2222; exDemMom
You have to remember that NJ is the state where it ts illegal to pump your own gas at a service station. ....There are a lot of stupid things that I need to put up with living in New Jersey but I don't mind this one.

The other side of this is that it is legal in NJ to pump your own diesel. The problem with that is that not all 'gas' station jockeys know that so when I pull in with my VW TDI and try to pump my own diesel I get a ration of feces from the 'attendants'..

Now, granted there are advantages to having the kiddies at the pump fill up your diesel tank if you want to avoid smelling like a truck but most gaspumpingkids think that you you turn the pump on 'force feed', er, full speed, after all it works for gasoline, er gasahol.. Problem with that is that Number 2 foams. If you want a full tank instead of a half tank of diesel and a half tank of foam, you pump it yourself... ;-)

It figures that it was a Democrap that introduced this bag bill.. Totally in character...

31 posted on 12/18/2012 10:34:51 AM PST by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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