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America Doesn’t Need Gun Control, It Needs Lunatic Control
frontpagemag.com ^ | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 12/18/2012 5:52:29 AM PST by expat1000

Here are some excerpts from a compelling piece written just this year. Madness, Deinstitutionalization & Murder (hat tip I Own the World.)

For those of us who came of age in the 1970s, one of the most shocking aspects of the last three decades was the rise of mass public shootings: people who went into public places and murdered complete strangers. Such crimes had taken place before, such as the Texas Tower murders by Charles Whitman in 1966,1 but their rarity meant that they were shocking.

Something changed in the 1980s: these senseless mass murders started to happen with increasing frequency. People were shocked when James Huberty killed twenty-one strangers in a McDonald’s in San Ysidro, California in 1984, and Patrick Purdy murdered five children in a Stockton, California schoolyard in 1989.

For a while, it was fashionable to blame gun availability for this dramatic increase. But guns did not become more available before or during this change. Instead, federal law and many state laws became more restrictive on purchase and possession of firearms, sometimes in response to such crimes.

Nor has the nature of the weapons available to Americans changed all that much. In 1965, Popular Science announced that Colt was selling the AR-15, a semiautomatic version of the M-16 for the civilian market.

The Browning Hi-Power, a 9mm semiautomatic pistol with a thirteen-round magazine, was offered for sale in the United States starting in 1954,  and advertised for civilians in both the U.S. and Canada at least as early as 1960.

If gun availability does not explain the increase of mass public murders, what else might?

Clayton Cramer points to deinstitutionalization.

At least half of these mass murderers (as well as many other murderers) have histories of mental illness. Many have already come to the attention of the criminal justice or mental health systems before they become headlines. In the early 1980s, there were about two million chronically mentally ill people in the United States, with 93 percent living outside mental hospitals. The largest diagnosis for the chronically mentally ill is schizophrenia, which afflicts about 1 percent of the population, or about 1.5 percent of adult Americans.

A 1999 study found that 16.2 percent of state prison inmates, 7.4 percent of federal prison inmates, and 16.3 percent of jail inmates, were mentally ill. As of 2002, about 13 percent of mentally ill state prison inmates nationwide had been convicted of murder.

In the 1960s, the United States embarked on an innovative approach to caring for its mentally ill: deinstitutionalization. The intentions were quite humane: move patients from long-term commitment in state mental hospitals into community-based mental health treatment.

John Linley Frazier was one of the first such examples. Like many other schizophrenics, he first exhibited symptoms in his early 20s. Fixated on ecology, after a traffic accident he became convinced that God had given him a mission to rid the Earth of those who were altering the natural environment. Frazier’s mother and wife recognized how seriously ill he was, and tried to obtain treatment for him, but he refused it.

Patrick Purdy, a mentally ill drifter, used his Social Security Disability payments to buy guns, while having a series of run-ins with the law. After one suicide attempt in jail in 1987, a mental health evaluation concluded that he was “a danger to his health and others.” In January 1989, Purdy went onto a schoolyard in Stockton, California with an AK-47 rifle, murdered five children and wounded twenty-nine others, before taking his own life.

Federal prosecutors held back for a few days from indicting Laurie Wasserman Dann in May 1988 for a series of harassing and frightening phone calls—and in those few days, she went on a rampage, killing one child in an elementary school, wounding five children and one adult, and distributing poisoned cookies and drinks to fraternities at Northwestern University.

Buford Furrow was a member of a neo-Nazi group in Washington State. Conflicts with his wife led her to take him to a mental hospital, where he threatened suicide and “shooting people at a nearby shopping mall.” He threatened nurses with a knife. At trial, he told the judge about his mental illness problems and suicidal/homicidal fantasies. The judge refused to hospitalize Furrow, sending him to jail instead. Released within a few months, Furrow went to Los Angeles in August 1999, where he acted out the fantasy that he had earlier told the court: he shot up a Jewish community center, wounding five people, and murdering an Asian-American mail carrier nearby.

There is a long list of similar cases which point to the fact that the problem isn’t the availability of assault rifles, it’s the failure to lock up the violent mentally ill because of intervention from groups such as the ACLU.



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To: Biggirl

Gotta Serve Somebody
by Bob Dylan

You may be an ambassador to England or France
You may like to gamble, you might like to dance
You may be the heavyweight champion of the world
You may be a socialite with a long string of pearls.

But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
It may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

Might be a rock’n’ roll adict prancing on the stage
Might have money and drugs at your commands, women in a cage
You may be a business man or some high degree thief
They may call you Doctor or they may call you Chief.

But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a state trooper, you might be an young turk
You may be the head of some big TV network
You may be rich or poor, you may be blind or lame
You may be living in another country under another name.

But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes
You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a construction worker working on a home
You may be living in a mansion or you might live in a dome
You might own guns and you might even own tanks
You might be somebody’s landlord you might even own banks.

But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes
You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

You may be a preacher with your spiritual pride
You may be a city councilman taking bribes on the side
You may be working in a barbershop, you may know how to cut hair
You may be somebody’s mistress, may be somebody’s heir.

But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes
You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

Might like to wear cotton, might like to wear silk
Might like to drink whiskey, might like to drink milk
You might like to eat caviar, you might like to eat bread
You may be sleeping on the floor, sleeping in a king-sized bed.

But you’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
It may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.

You may call me Terry, you may call me Jimmy
You may call me Bobby, you may call me Zimmy
You may call me R.J., you may call me Ray
You may call me anything but no matter what you say.

You’re gonna have to serve somebody, yes indeed
You’re gonna have to serve somebody,
Well, it may be the devil or it may be the Lord
But you’re gonna have to serve somebody.


61 posted on 12/18/2012 8:40:53 AM PST by Albion Wilde (The only way to stop a man with a gun is with a gun. --Daniel Greenfield)
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To: longtermmemmory

Not sure I quite grasp the essence of your message; however, the wording is certainly... novel.


62 posted on 12/18/2012 8:52:06 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
The good news is this: The treatment and meds have VASTLY improved over the past few decades. The tough part is getting the patient to stay on his meds and keep his up his doctor’s appointments.

But this is akin to saying that the invention of the birth control pill stopped the number of unwanted babies, when just the opposite is true -- the illusion of pharmaceutical control of the very nature of sex and the mainstreaming of marriage-free sex have contributed to a holocaust of abortions and skyrocketing illegitimacy, by giving people the illusion that they could have sex without the adequate socialization and preparation of marriage.

So it is with pharmacological "control" of mental illness, combined with the mainstreaming of mentally ill people into the communities instead of greater depth of love, commitment and sheltering of individuals in therapy, in institutions when necessary and in the home. Relying on a drug to take care of a massive personality problem has resulted in horrors and deaths such as those we have witnessed in this year alone.

Secularism, morality-free scientism and the bottom-line medicalization of spiritual problems are a gigantic FAIL.

63 posted on 12/18/2012 8:54:31 AM PST by Albion Wilde (The only way to stop a man with a gun is with a gun. --Daniel Greenfield)
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To: dmz; Biggirl
How would you propse, given your thesis that mental illness is really demonic control, treating those under demonic control?

Unfortunately, you have to start well before the child is even born, with a culture of belief that we are a nation Under God and a community of belief in the Savior of mankind; with protection of the pregnant mother and good diet, rest and the shelter of a good marriage for her and her unborn child; and then a close, loving family with a firm understanding of the Word and a practical, flexible approach to raising children, listening to them and hearing them when they are in distress, supporting and comforting them with eternal values.

This is the Wild West and the frontier on which we live today: corruption in the churches, estrangement in the communities, government interfering with the free exercise of Judeo-Christian values, violence and pornography seeping into every nook and cranny, a vast culture of corporatism, media and advertising that has more influence over our children's values than any family or religion, and a distorted version of history being filtered through the schools and universities to poison minds. Our culture has cancer everywhere you look.

Just as only a few pilgrims survived the first winter, and only a few pioneers survived the passages out west, only a few will be able to stand firm and shield their kids from this current destruction.

64 posted on 12/18/2012 9:07:13 AM PST by Albion Wilde (The only way to stop a man with a gun is with a gun. --Daniel Greenfield)
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To: Darnright
My child’s high school had an officer on site. He was very popular with the students who accepted him as part of their lives.

I went to a city-based women's college in the 60s. We had a security officer who resembled Barney Fife and whom we called "Trained to Kill" because he frequently boasted that he was trained to kill. But once when a pervert followed me and my roommate in a car, whacking it as we were walking back to the dorms on a busy city sidewalk, we stayed calm, knowing we just had to walk another half a block to get to "TTK" and have him chase the guy down.

In frontier days, all the schoolhouses had a few rifles available, since most of the boys and some of the girls could shoot, protected themselves from bandits, mountain lions, bears and snakes, and shot game on the way to and from school. Today's environmental dangers -- nutbags, druglords -- also require arms for teachers and ROTC or JROTC students.

65 posted on 12/18/2012 9:22:59 AM PST by Albion Wilde (The only way to stop a man with a gun is with a gun. --Daniel Greenfield)
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To: expat1000; Vaquero; randita; Condor51; longtermmemmory

Thank you for this article. This is a conversation we need to be having.

@Vaquero & Condor
“The left said it was against those people’s constitutional rights to warehouse them… liberals started closing down the Mental Institutions in the 1960’s and putting the Insane People On The Streets — “because they have rights”.

I’ve heard the left blame Reagan for “emptying the mental hospitals” (the article gives a nod to his signing of the Lanterman–Petris–Short (LPS) Act - but does not foam at the mouth with blame to RR on this)

@randita
“Most mentally or emotionally challenged people do not show a penchant for violent actions”

The article though, points out how many mass-murderers left flashing red neon signs in their history(s), so the question becomes, what do we do with those?

I’m in favor of long-term institutionalization, but we have to figure out how to do that because
leftists can and will figure out a way to abuse the system & put US in there because we *disagree*...


66 posted on 12/18/2012 9:44:29 AM PST by spankalib (The downside of liberty is the need to tolerate those who despise it.)
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To: GladesGuru

You want us to have gun laws like Israel? I don’t.

http://www.jta.org/news/article/2012/07/24/3101546/despite-militarized-society-israels-strict-gun-laws-keep-civilian-violence-down


67 posted on 12/18/2012 10:34:57 AM PST by randita
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To: Albion Wilde

I don’t claim to have all of the answers in dealing with mental health issues. Perhaps you have a better insight than I do. I will make this one claim however: Mental illness-—NOT GUNS OR COMPUTER GAMES for that matter-—is the source for these senseless massacres-—Sandy Hook, Wisconsin,Aurora, Tuscon, Virginia Tech, Columbine etc.


68 posted on 12/18/2012 10:56:03 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Albion Wilde

I don’t claim to have all of the answers in dealing with mental health issues. Perhaps you have a better insight than I do. I will make this one claim however: Mental illness-—NOT GUNS OR COMPUTER GAMES for that matter-—is the source for these senseless massacres-—Sandy Hook, Wisconsin,Aurora, Tuscon, Virginia Tech, Columbine etc.


69 posted on 12/18/2012 10:57:23 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: expat1000

The news is featuring two murderous lunatics who are calling for mass murder.

One, a watermelon warmist stationed at RI State University and the other a Democrat party leader in Houston, Texas. Texas, as you remember is right next to Mexico where mass murder is a daily occurance and guns are banned. It’s the country where our DOJ was selling guns to murderous drug cartels, who are in turn, slaughtering innocent people like the children in Conn. The watermelons on the other hand, are chicken little doomers who think mankind is killing the earth. They are into eugenics.

Both lunatics are so mad about the killing of innocent children in Conn., they are calling upon their students and political followers to murder gun rights supporters.

Both should be arrested for inciting mass murder. They are lunatics. Since liberals are hypocritical lunatics, chances are they both own guns.


70 posted on 12/18/2012 11:41:34 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: randita

I do not want Israel style gun laws.

What I posted was that the Israel law requiring teachers be armed worked for forty years, even when surrounded by human trash such as assorted, sordid Koranimals and nutters like the Palisimians.

Armed societies are peaceful societies.

Know Arms - Know Peace

No Arms - No Peace

Quite simple, really.


71 posted on 12/18/2012 2:36:35 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: GladesGuru

We’ve all seen the photo with the cute Israeli school teacher herding her wards with a rifle slung over her shoulder.

What the photo doesn’t tell you is that military service is compulsory in Israel and that cute teacher has had years of experience and training in the use of firearms. She knows how and when to use the firearm and has learned the discipline and the discernment to use it wisely. Not only has she had extensive military training in firearms, but she likely is required to continue training in order to keep her license.

We’re not going to take raw, pie in the sky college graduates or 60 year old Miss Prussies and force them through similar rigorous training so they can carry responsibly like Israel teachers do. And if they don’t have the proper training or undertake the training very reluctantly, that’s a disaster in the making.

I maintain that the best solution to stop mass school killings is to fortify schools in the same way that courthouses and many other government buildings are fortified (with armed guards, bullet proof windows and other physical alterations that make it impossible for an armed citizen to enter or get very far).


72 posted on 12/18/2012 3:03:52 PM PST by randita
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To: randita
“What the photo doesn’t tell you is that military service is compulsory in Israel and that cute teacher has had years of experience and training in the use of firearms. She knows how and when to use the firearm and has learned the discipline and the discernment to use it wisely. Not only has she had extensive military training in firearms, but she likely is required to continue training in order to keep her license.”

Why not suggest the same for America? Surely requiring military training before entering a classroom teaching career would be beneficial to teachers and thus their students as well.

“We’re not going to take raw, pie in the sky college graduates or 60 year old Miss Prussies and force them through similar rigorous training so they can carry responsibly like Israel teachers do.”

Agreed, but requiring all teachers and administrators to pass a one or two weekend long course on shooting skills is doable. So to would be proficiency tests. Matter of fact, require all schools at Middle or Senior High to have rifle/pistol ranges. Not that long ago, they did, you know.

What possible shooter error on the part of a faculty member could be as damaging as the shooters that have shot up schools?

Fortifying schools is too expensive and outrageously anit-American! The American way is to be “at all times armed”.

Good enough for Jefferson, Madison, Washington etc. is good enough for me.

We also do not have the funds for “fortifying” schools. Only government trough feeders, contractors with political connections and statists would be likely to applaud your suggestions. Or so I would guess.

73 posted on 12/18/2012 5:26:53 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: GladesGuru
We also do not have the funds for “fortifying” schools. Only government trough feeders, contractors with political connections and statists would be likely to applaud your suggestions. Or so I would guess.

Where's the money to pay for all teachers and administrators to take a one to two week course on shooting???

And this wouldn't be a once and done deal like bulletproofing school windows and doors. Being a proficient shooter requires regular training and practice, so all the school teachers and administrators would need to be required to repeat the training on a regular basis. Yet more and more money needed.

Maybe a few teachers or administrators could be entrusted with the responsibility, but as a requirement for all, it's never going to happen.

74 posted on 12/18/2012 6:34:37 PM PST by randita
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To: randita

America has sufficient teachers that already have their own weapons, so equipment costs seem not to be an issue. Not to mention people are best off choosing their own guns, not some trough feeder.

By the way, I said a weekend or two, not one or two weeks of training. And, said training would be needed in Democrapic areas where the Sheeple have been disarmed for so many generations they forgot the use of firearms. For the rst of America, training is not an issue.

Better an armed educator than dead ones. Using the recent Connecticut shooting, had those adults been allowed to be armed, the shooter would have been dead far sooner.

Reliance on the new Liberal way of government for protection, instead of the American way of self reliance, AND because Liberals disarmed those now dead educators, it can be said that disarming those educators was a contributing factor in their murders.

No fortress can’t be penetrated, and only a gun allows one to “meet force with force” as the Roman Law put it.

‘Sides, the construction industry can be better used, as can our tax money, almost anywhere else than the Pooblik Skrewel Collective.

Allow the teachers to be armed, and allow the taxpayers to keep their money.

Oh, so doing will also let the taxpayers keep their children alive - which is more than a “secured school” and police were able to do.

Don’t believe me, ask the Israeli’s. They live with mad violence prone Palisimians every day. Do as they do, their way worked.


75 posted on 12/18/2012 7:40:44 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: GladesGuru

Realistically, teachers will not be armed unless or until political sentiments do a 180. Democrats are the anti-2nd Amendment party, and their power and influence are on the rise nationally.

I think bait and switch and distraction are tools we need to use now. Anything to get the gun snatchers going down a different path. The last thing that’s going to sell now is arming educators.

Politicians are hell bent on doing something, even if it’s wrong. We don’t want that something to be an erosion of the 2nd Amendment.


76 posted on 12/18/2012 8:22:55 PM PST by randita
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