Posted on 12/19/2012 5:07:41 AM PST by detective
From the moment news emerged Friday that a young man had carried out a horrific massacre of elementary-school children, politicians from local city halls to the White House have been restoking the age-old push for more gun control. While guns have been a common denominator in mass slayings at schools by teens, there’s another familiar element that seems increasingly to be minimized.
Some 90 percent of school shootings over more than a decade have been linked to a widely prescribed type of antidepressant called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors or SSRIs, according to British psychiatrist Dr. David Healy, a founder of RxISK.org, an independent website for researching and reporting on prescription drugs.
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Have you guys listened to the fast legal speak toward the end of these commercials advertising some of these drugs?
If you experience vivid dreams, mood swings, thoughts of suicide, depression....
I turn to my wife and say, “damn, the drug sounds worse then the condition.”
Causes heightened thoughts of suicide? What’s wrong with this picture?
How about a closer look at the meds before we start handing them out like candy?
A couple of billion dollars of advertising dollars are at stake for the media that come from pharmaceutical companies. How hard will they look at this issue?
How hard will anyone look at the drugging of society with “approved” drugs? The government is all for drugged citizens as long as it is under their control.
One change that is needed is to promptly end the psychiatric privacy rights of dead, obviously guilty, mass shooters. For the rarer surviving mass shooters consider include same as part of their sentences. There is a legit debate as to whether psych meds, and the rest of the mental health system contributed to, or could have prevented mass murder. These perps threw away any right to privacy. We need to understand what was/wasn't done with them by the system so we can improve it. 'Privacy' is blocking that. The fix, at least initially, should include fairly strong liability protection for the system. Currently we need to understand what has been and could be done with potential mass killers much more than we need mass lawsuits and circular firing squads.
Don't limit the fix to mass shooters. The Chicoms had a 20+ mass child stabber the same day as Sandy Hook and the Brit press is trying to ban 'long' kitchen knives. The problem is their abnormal psychology, not which tool they misuse. We neither want mass shootings nor soviet style psych prisons for the innocent. Open investigation of those guilty beyond any doubt may help find a happy medium approach.
“we all knew it was a white guy”
I live in Montgomery County, Maryland.
A few years ago the area where I live had random shootings of school children and others. Everyone in authority assumed it was a white male. There was speculation that it was a conservative gun nut. There was talk of it being someone who was just back from the military. The same theme was repeated over and over again.
It turns out it was two African Americans who were Muslims. There were witnesses who saw them. They were ignored. Innocent people probably died because false assumptions stopped them from apprehending the actual perpetrators.
Almost all violent crime in America is committed by blacks and Hispanics. It is rarely reported by the MSM.
Take all the mentally ill off meds and point them towards D.C.
they should feel right at home there.
From my personal experience, each and every prescription is written by the patient’s physician and patients require med checks on a monthly basis or as doctor determines for each case
when discussing psych meds, it is interesting how many Freepers assume
1) the drug companies are evil and profit driven
2) psych meds caue people to become more crazy, not less crazy
2) the physicians who manage mentally ill patients are all incompetent stooges
3) bad parenting is an underlying cause of mental illness
3) it’s all part of a government plan
You paint with a broad brush. I don’t need paint.
Do you support government mandating inoculations?
I love the drug companies until they crawl into bed with the maniacs who get elected to represent us to further their profits and crush their competitors.
you do not want to wander the streets of DC after dark or you will get to face untreated (or self treated, ie with alcohol and drugs) mental illness up close and personal
But there is St Elizabeth’s for certain high profile nutjobs, like John Hinckley. The people who work in mental hospitals are saints on earth
Did you know that Abe Lincoln (a severe depressive himself) told his wife Mary Todd Lincoln, mourning the death of their child, to take a look out the window at St E’s, that was where she was heading if she didn’t recover her senses soon
Chicken vs egg.
Cause or effect
Attempts to treat crazy sometimes fail does not mean attempts to treat crazy always fail.
Was treatment too little too late?
Unfortunately using drugs to make people “manageable” is not only applied to our young people, but also the elderly (who are no threat with guns)/
If you don’t believe me, go visit a nursing home.
I do support the “government mandating innoculations” for citizens engagingn in certain activities, like adminstering public health services, entering military service and sending their kids to public school
Having had 2 cases of Whooping Cough this month in my DD’s high school because the authorities were too PC to demand the illegal immigrants produce valid immunization records for their kids
I will listen to generic rants against psych meds only from people who have lived with diagnosed mental illness up close and personal, terated and untreated - the rest of you can huff and puff about internet articles all you want - after all, it must be true if it’s on the internet!
Psych meds suppress the symptoms of a much deeper problem. The problem remains, but the person walks around with a happy face and the psychologists are happy.
I often wonder how supposedly intelligent people can make such colossal mistakes.
If you have an unstable person, and give him meds, he is still an unstable person, but no one sees the instability.
I'm an engineer. From my viewpoint mental health issues are dealt with by designing proper containment systems. (lol)
Your original post read as if it was straight out of the scientology posting guide. And so I responded as I would to any scientologist: ridicule.
Exactly correct!
Did you support Rick Perry’s proposed vaccine for the human papillomavirus? You could opt out of the program, if you had the right information. Many would not have that information.
Once our out of control government starts flexing their muscles because they own your health, your health care and your body, the sky is the limit.
Once you have granted government the right to certain parts of your freedom, you have granted them the right to all of your freedom.
impramatur
&&
imprimatur?
Sigh. It’s already been one of those days...
Thanks for the correction!
I like your response. Many years ago I was diagnosed with a panic disorder, caused by genetics as well as thyroid problems. The properly prescribed meds were a lifesaver at the time. I am now an NRA member and a responsible gun owner. I have never held a violent thought toward any innocent soul in my life. Let’s be careful before we label anyone who has needed help with mental health issues a kook. All medicine is not bad. Misused and nonprescribed, yes!
It’s been reported the LE didn’t find any meds at the home.
100% of these events were caused by sick wackos.
This can be, but is not always (nor even often) true.
The vast vast majority of people on psych meds live perfectly normal lives. They suffer from a chemical imbalance that is corrected by the med. As long as they are on the meds they are fine. I know bunches of folks like this.
I also know a few people who were on the meds for a while until their system "rebalanced" itself and they no longer needed the meds.
Unfortunately most of these meds have side effects which can range from beneficial (Wellbutrin is known to increase sex drive in some people) to down right horrendous (suicidal, impulsive self damaging, permanent motor ticks and glitches etc).
So all of them require pretty regular (monthly or quarterly) doctor's supervision. Making sure the drug does what it's supposed to do without causing bad side effects. Sometimes it takes several tries to find the particular drug that works for the particular patient
The problems with pschyologists/psychiatrists happens when they get lazy and don't invest the time into their patients to understand what is really going on.
A little of my experience in this world. My wife passed away about 7 years ago (there's a thread on here in the archives where most of this is discussed). Prior to her death she dealt with some mental issues brought on by (we assume anyways) a brain surgery that she had to control her epilepsy (she was having up to 20 seizures a day pre surgery and had only about 7 after the surgery).
The problem is that after brain surgery they routinely put people on an anti-depressant. She reacted badly to the first one (it gave her gastric problems), the second one seemed ok but then she got manic (Apparently this was a recognized side effect in .4% of the people taking it). Rather than investigate what was causing it the psych put her on ativan to combat the mania. Turns out that ativan casues suicidal depression in something like .04% of the people taking it. Of course my wife fell into the percentage.
It took several months to figure out what the probelm was as she cycled from manic to depressed. We went to I think 7 different doctors for various things during that time frame, including a short term mental health residential facility, and no one looked at the drug interactions (because these particular effects were so rare). They'd adjust the meds until the symptoms went away and then dischareg her. Finally I charted her behaviors against when we started, stopped or changed the dosage of the drugs. Obvious drug interaction problems. Her psychiatrist agreed with me right off the bat and we were able to wean her off most of the drugs and get her just about back to normal
(There were some extenuating circumstances that messed her up. She had been subjected to a "faith healer" who was essentially just a hypnotist during the time she was on the drugs and the suggestions went way deep as she was already opened up by the drugs)
She ended up dying of a siezure unrelated to the drug mess (any seizure can kill you, she had had thousands during our years together, any one of them could have killed her. God decides who lives and dies)
Were the drugs evil? No. Were the doctors evil? No. (A bit lazy and in one case incompetent, but not evil.)
The lesson learned?
1. Do not let them put you on a drug unless you know you really need it. (She did not need the anti-depressent after the surgery. If she would have show symptoms then, and only then, would the drug be needed.) 2. Read the drug literature and know all the side effects of any drug they put you on. Watch for these effects and discuss them with your doctor asap. Don't add a med until you are sure that the new symptom is NOT caused by any med you're already on. 3.YOU and you alone are responsible for your health. You make the decisions, not the doctor. If something doesn't look right or feel right, ask questions. Make sure you understand exactly what is going on before you leave the doctor's office. Don't let him bully you into doing something you don't understand or don't feel right about.
Most of our doctors are over scheduled and don't (can't) spend the time with each patient that they should. (and obamacare is going to make this far worse). They have good intentions but can't make the system work unless we are active participants in our health care.
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