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Is President Obama Really A Socialist? Let's Analyze Obamanomics
Forbes ^ | 12/20/2012 | Peter Ferrara

Posted on 12/22/2012 3:39:36 PM PST by neverdem

President Obama says that income taxes must be raised on the rich because they don’t pay their fair share. The indisputable facts from official government sources say otherwise.

The CBO reports based on official IRS data that in 2009 the top 1% of income earners paid 39% of all federal income taxes, three times their share of income at 13%. Yet, the middle 20% of income earners, the true middle class, paid just 2.7% of total federal income taxes on net that year, while earning 15% of income. That means the top 1% paid almost 15 times as much in federal income taxes as the entire middle 20%, even though the middle 20% earned more income.

Moreover, the official data, as reported by CBO and the IRS, show that the bottom 40% of income earners, instead of paying some income taxes to support the federal government, were paid cash by the IRS equal to 10% of federal income taxes as a group on net.

Any normal person would say that such an income tax system is more than fair, or maybe that “the rich” pay more than their fair share. So why does President Obama keep saying that the rich do not pay their fair share? Is he ignorant? Wouldn’t somebody in his Administration whisper to him that he is peddling nonsense?

The answer is that to President Obama this is still not fair because he is a Marxist. To a Marxist, the fact that the top 1% earn more income than the bottom 99% is not fair, no matter how they earn it, fairly or not. So it is not fair unless more is taken from the top 1% until they are left only with what they “need,” as in any true communist system. Paying anything less is not...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: marxist; obama; obamanomics; socialist

1 posted on 12/22/2012 3:39:39 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem
Thus erodes any incentive to achieve. The Soviets would never have had any jet airliners if not for German engineers (taken during WWII) and US collaborators.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its one inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

— Winston Churchill, whose bust was returned, and guess why.

2 posted on 12/22/2012 3:44:46 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: neverdem

He pretends to be a Marxist to get the kook vote and scare middle America. No real Marxist takes a vacation to Hawaii. Obama is a con man....a pickpocket....a thief. He’s just working the biggest con in the world....the Democrat party. He’s negotiating like an eight year old thief. “Gimme or I’ll break the windows!” When the crap comes out about Obama and the Middle East and the economy drops, old President Pee Wee is going to come down with a case of Pernicious Dandruff and resign.


3 posted on 12/22/2012 4:00:53 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: neverdem
Is President Obama Really A Socialist?

Living in Illinois, I may have been aware of Obama before many here and I have always identified him as communist.

4 posted on 12/22/2012 4:03:27 PM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: neverdem
The answer is that to President Obama this is still not fair because he is a Marxist.

Lets quit the BS. King Obama is a communists. He is black, not white, because he support the black mentality. He is a Muslim. His youth was in a Muslim Country learing the Muslim ways.

5 posted on 12/22/2012 4:16:23 PM PST by Logical me
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To: neverdem
0bamacare ensures businesses hire FEWER people
Additional taxes on businesses ensure LOWER profits
As a result, more small businesses will CLOSE
The PRIVATE SECTOR WILL EVENTUALLY CEASE TO EXIST
The government will EXPAND to fill the void and..

"YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT!" (OBAMA WANTS EVERY JOB TO BE A GOVERNMENT JOB..)

It's happening before our eyes. THAT is 0bama's goal; FASCIST, Totalitarian Dictatorship.

6 posted on 12/22/2012 4:25:17 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: neverdem; All

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Is It Fair To Say This Man Is A Marxist?
Let’s say a man was elected to the highest office in the land who had been mentored, http://theobamafile.com/_associates/FrankMarshallDavis.htm
during his childhood, by an avowed communist who was identified as a member of the Communist Party USA by the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii, accused by the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC) as being active in several communist-front organizations, and had a thick FBI file.
http://theobamafile.com/_exhibits/FrankMarshallDavisFBIFile.pdf

Let us further say that this man’s guardian, his grandfather, had chosen http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/2601914/Frank-Marshall-Davis-alleged-Communist-was-early-influence-on-Barack-Obama.html
this mentor for him, indicating that he was likely sympathetic to the mentor’s beliefs.

Now, let us say that upon reaching college, this man gravitated toward Marxist professors and revolutionaries
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaEducation.htm#Occidental
and attended http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaEducation.htm#CooperUnion
the Socialist Scholars Conferences (SSC) at Cooper Union, that featured the elite of socialist academia as well as union activists, political revolutionaries, reformers, and opponents of “corporate greed.”

After graduating from college, this man is tutored in the “agitation” techniques of a self-described communist
http://theobamafile.com/_associates/Alinsky.htm
(small “c”), by a professional agitator,
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/bobamasunlikelypoliticaledu.html
a former Jesuit priest, and a former ACLU director
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/McknightjohnL2.html
— all dedicated socialists.

As a “community organizer, this man had an intimate and long-term association with ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now), the largest radical group in America and the publishers of a communist manifesto entitled “ACORN’s Peoples Platform” which would become this man’s agenda.

While associated with ACORN, this man was a consultant and trainer to Project Vote, best know for its massive and flagrant election tampering.

Now, let’s say this leader-to-be spent twenty years sitting in a black nationalist church, led by a leftist black nationalist preacher, who unabashedly preached a racist “black” gospel” based on the Marxist “Theology of Liberation” that “will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy.”

The man’s political career began in the living room of two communist domestic terrorists, where he was introduced to the cream of the local leftist community by his political mentor, who was a member of the U.S. Peace Council, which the FBI identified as a communist front group, an affiliate of the World Peace Council, a Soviet front group.

As part of his first run for state office, this man became a member of the New Party
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/ObamaNewParty.jpg
and sought their endorsement. The New Party’s objective was to push forth the socialist principles of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6428
.

The New Party required candidates who received the endorsement sign a pledge of support for the party that was, in effect, a front group for communists. The July issue of the New Ground noted that 15% of the New Party consisted of DSA members and a good number of members of the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism, a democratic socialist group in the United States which originated in 1991 as the Committees of Correspondence, a moderate, dissenting wing of the Communist Party USA. http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=7511

This man also had close personal and political ties to many socialists and communists, including Timuel Black, Congressman Danny Davis, Carl Davidson, Marilyn Katz, Mike Klonsky, Saul Mendelson, Abner Mikva, Linda Rae Murray, Lou Pardo, Zach Pollet, Wade Rathke, Joel Rogers, Quentin Young, Rabbi Arnold Jacob Wolf, and DSA honorees Jackie Grimshaw, Jackie Kendall and Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky, to name a few.

Now, when this man ran for national office, all of the above, which is really a snapshot of this man’s activities and associations, was forgotten, ignored and buried by the media.

But once in high office this man appointed to his administration the likes of David Axelrod, Anita Dunn, Patrick Gaspard, Jeff Jones, Van Jones, Ron Bloom, Rosa Brooks, Carol Browner, Heather Higginbottom, Mark Lloyd, Hannah Rosenthal, Hilda Solis, and Cass Sunstein. — all Marxists of one stripe or another — and these are just some of the ones we know of.

So, here’s the billion-dollar question:

What would be nuttier: to claim that this man was a life-long Marxist, or to claim that such an assertion is absurd?

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7 posted on 12/22/2012 4:44:13 PM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: blueunicorn6
“Gimme or I’ll my brotha's will break the windows!

You forgot the race hammer!

8 posted on 12/22/2012 4:48:01 PM PST by Aevery_Freeman (The trouble with the "masses" is that they never achieve the "m")
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To: neverdem

In the old communist Russia true believers would call bureaucrats who used the system to furthur their advantage over others “Communist Pigs” . Because they were stealing the feed (funds) from the trough to feed the masses to enrich themselves.


9 posted on 12/22/2012 4:55:02 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("A voice crying in the wilderness make streight for the way of the Lord")
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To: blueunicorn6

And since B-HO is the best the Democrat party has to offer, we are all in deep do-do. Why are Democrats not hanging their heads in shame? Our nation deserves a more honorable leader.


10 posted on 12/22/2012 5:09:28 PM PST by abclily
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To: blueunicorn6

“Obama is a con man....a pickpocket....a thief. He’s just working the biggest con in the world....the Democrat party.”

I believe that you just may be right! That absolutely rings true to me.


11 posted on 12/22/2012 5:20:47 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: neverdem
Is President Obama Really A Socialist?

And the question is???
12 posted on 12/22/2012 5:51:47 PM PST by sasquatch
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To: neverdem

Obama is not a “Marxist.” To call him one shows your ignorance. He is a socialist, yes, but there is no indication that he adheres to Marxian or even “vulgar” Marxian thought.

Read Thomas Sowell’s book on Marx for the best explanation of Marx you will ever read.

We make ourselves look stupid when we mislabel people. Just call him a socialist. Use real arguments, not epithets.


13 posted on 12/22/2012 6:09:54 PM PST by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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To: LifeComesFirst
I believe he is closer to Anarcho-syndicalism


14 posted on 12/22/2012 6:31:40 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: blueunicorn6
He pretends to be a Marxist to get the kook vote and scare middle America. No real Marxist takes a vacation to Hawaii.

On Orwell's Animal Farm, all animals are equal. Some are more equal than others. Such is life under Communism. He is a naked Marxist and believes the crap he spouts.

15 posted on 12/22/2012 6:41:06 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: LifeComesFirst

“From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.”

It’s not like Baraq Hussein Ubama has ever uttered such redistributive rhetoric.


16 posted on 12/22/2012 6:43:48 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: neverdem

To put a finer point on it, omullah is an islamist totalitarian nationalist socialist pan-Leninist.


17 posted on 12/22/2012 7:08:32 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: neverdem

I vote Marxist.


18 posted on 12/22/2012 7:16:15 PM PST by libbylu
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To: FlyingEagle

Not quite.

He is a marxo-muslim

To understand his marxism and how we have been stealthed,
view http://vimeo.com/52009124,
it connects all the dots, dots all the i’s and crosses all the t’s. Its thorough.

If you want to understand his islam side, let me know.


19 posted on 12/22/2012 7:21:06 PM PST by himno hero (hadnuff)
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To: neverdem
Is he a socialist?...Marxist?...communist?...fascist?...I do not know and care less.

What I DO know is that he is a self proclaimed anti-constitutionalist and should be dealt with as such. Unfortunately, our elected representatives have no stomach for doing what should have been (and now MUST be) done....removing him from the office he has NO RIGHT to occupy.

20 posted on 12/22/2012 8:08:54 PM PST by Roccus (POLITICIAN...............a four letter word spelled with ten letters.)
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To: neverdem

Obama the Marxist should be restricted to just what he needs as a bare bones president.His annual budget is through the roof at the White House.

Obama needs some of his own fairness applied to himself, and if he won’t take that, like any Marxist who detests America, he can have his ration of lead.


21 posted on 12/22/2012 8:43:27 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: neverdem

No, he’s a communist/Leninist - he’s only pretending to be a socialist.


22 posted on 12/23/2012 2:54:51 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

I heard a fellow on a business radio show refer to obama saying “you didn’t build that”.
This radio show very rarely talks about politics, but the host compared that kind of thinking to the russian revolution.
Add to that, if you go back and look at lenin’s tactics, they are very close to how obama conducts himself.

Agitate from a safe distance away until society comes apart, then rush in to ramp up all the dissafected people to rise against the tsar. The tsar’s family didn’t fare too well after that.

Lots of parallels going on.


23 posted on 12/23/2012 6:47:29 AM PST by Texas resident (Enilgat)
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To: neverdem

I’m not sure Obama believes in anything - but he has a lot of hatreds he gained in his upbringing. He doesn’t have to believe in Marxism or Islam to relish using them tactically to hurt the groups he hates.


24 posted on 12/23/2012 7:08:39 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: a fool in paradise

There is much more to Marx than just socialist sentiments. There were and are plenty of socialists and communists who are not only non-Marxist but explicitly anti-Marxist. Marxism is one school of thought under the larger umbrella of socialism.

Some major differences between Marx (and Engels) and Obama:

Marx believed that socialism should not be forced on people by a large, centralized government. He believed (wrongly) that socialism and the dissolution of government would happen automatically and voluntarily after capitalism collapsed. He directly opposed attempts to force socialism, by anyone, including the government.

Marx believed it was wrong to interfere with market prices, i.e. no subsidies or price supports or minimum wage.

Marx was against having the government create school curriculum.

Marx had a labor definition of value which virtually nobody, even socialist economists, supports now, and this was the core of his teaching.

The dissimilarities go on.

Socialist != Marxist necessarily


25 posted on 12/23/2012 10:57:31 AM PST by LifeComesFirst (http://rw-rebirth.blogspot.com/)
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To: neverdem

Low Information voters think “socialism” means social networking.


26 posted on 12/23/2012 5:05:42 PM PST by 4Liberty (Some on our "Roads & Bridges" head to the beach. Others head to their offices, farms, libraries....)
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To: patriot08

Bfl


27 posted on 12/23/2012 5:57:31 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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