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Allen West: House Has Finished Its Work on Fiscal Cliff
Newsmax ^ | Friday, 21 Dec 2012 11:24 AM | Greg McDonald

Posted on 12/23/2012 2:02:43 AM PST by Olog-hai

Florida Rep. Allen West is suggesting the House is no longer a player in the fiscal cliff negotiations following the rejection by Republicans of Speaker John Boehner's “Plan B” tax bill, which was aimed at forcing the president into a larger deficit reduction deal.

The Republican caucus, according to some political observers, is now in chaos and unable to agree among themselves on anything.

But West insisted in an interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity Thursday night that Republicans did the right thing in refusing to go along with Boehner’s plan to increase the tax rate on the affluent even though it would have protected the current rates for most Americans. …

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1 posted on 12/23/2012 2:02:50 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I wonder what the drunken little weasel who will be taking over West’s seat thinks about the “fiscal cliff”?


2 posted on 12/23/2012 2:07:40 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Olog-hai; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...

Next year the R controlled house will accept and pass Obama’s terms of surrender, which will make plan B look like a dream.

This past session of the R controlled house (2011 to 2012) big accomplishment was passing 33 symbolic repeals of O-care that changed nothing. What a huge waste of a God given opportunity election 2010. Rs are the loser party.

There is the symbolism party versus the results party, Rs play silly games and Dems go to win and get what they want.


3 posted on 12/23/2012 2:30:54 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: Olog-hai

“But West insisted” the GOP did the right thing.

I’ll call your biased article and raise you one:

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2012/12/22/analysis-gop-policies-led-fiscal-cliff-blowup/qsBB8H28jej7rWYLIB0vNJ/story.html


4 posted on 12/23/2012 3:08:54 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: sickoflibs

Not only did the GOP-dominated House accomplish nothing the past two years, but they were guilty of repeated grandstanding and self-backslapping as they tried to deceive us into thinking; 1) they’d made cuts that they hadn’t and 2) they were not capable of stopping spending because they only controlled ‘one-sixth’ of the federal government.


5 posted on 12/23/2012 3:43:00 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: sickoflibs

Of course they are the symbolism party in the House. What could they have passed that would have made it past an entrenched Democrat controlled Senate and a dictatorial president? We had our chance to control the senate in November and the voters blew it. Now all we get for the next two years from the House is more of the same.


6 posted on 12/23/2012 4:07:36 AM PST by Russ (Repeal the 17th amendment)
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To: Olog-hai

Their agenda for America is nothing but destruction.


7 posted on 12/23/2012 4:28:09 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Olog-hai

4 years of passing bills in the House only to have them shot down or declared ‘non-starters’ by the obsinate LEFT.
Who wouldn’t be fed up? I certainly am. Let them come to terms with their own, let me know when and if that happens. At this point, I could care less whether the whole thing shuts down. And if it does, the Left owns it lock, stock and barrel.


8 posted on 12/23/2012 4:45:17 AM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Lancey Howard

I wonder what the drunken little weasel who will be taking over West’s seat thinks about the “fiscal cliff”?


And as a CPA how he rationalizes “ non action” on the short /long term
Realities of medicare and SS.


9 posted on 12/23/2012 6:10:15 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: All

The House Republicans still hold the most powerful tool: the ability to de-fund any socialist program of Obama’s they can agree on.

No more excuses, please!


10 posted on 12/23/2012 6:17:10 AM PST by Liberty Wins
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To: sickoflibs

“Next year the R controlled house will accept and pass Obama’s terms of surrender, which will make plan B look like a dream.”

Plan B was a SHAM, which is why the Reps revolted. It did NOTHING to reduce the deficit, and it arguably would have driven rich people further away from paying taxes and hurt the country more than it helped.

I’m not so sure the Reps will bend over and take it, like you suggest. For the past two years, they were told, time and time again, to give the president whatever he wants, and then we’ll take EVERYTHING (White House and Senate) in 2012. But if they fought back then, the media would tarnish them as extremists and they wouldn’t get anywhere. So they played nice and even nominated the most moderate person we could - all to get that positive press that Boener promised would lead to glory.

Didn’t happen - Boener didn’t keep his end of the deal. The Reps have nothing to lose now - they might as well make a stand (which actually just started last Thursday, to be exact). If the suck it up again, the base stays home in 2014, just as it did in 2006 when we gave the House to Pelosi. If they fight, maybe the base comes out in 2014. The only sure thing is that sucking up, again, hands the House back to Pelosi in 2014 - and THEY KNOW IT.


11 posted on 12/23/2012 6:58:28 AM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: Russ

“Of course they are the symbolism party in the House. What could they have passed that would have made it past an entrenched Democrat controlled Senate and a dictatorial president? We had our chance to control the senate in November and the voters blew it. Now all we get for the next two years from the House is more of the same.”

Don’t blame the voters, blame the nutcases that ran for Senate that were able to make the 2012 election all about women, rather than the economy. We’d probably have the Senate if it wasn’t for that. And Rush didn’t help either.


12 posted on 12/23/2012 7:00:04 AM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: BobL

“Don’t blame the voters, blame the nutcases that ran for Senate that were able to make the 2012 election all about women, rather than the economy.”

Right! Blame the “Nutty on the Right” who were “successful” in nominating the likes of Akin and Mourdock (and O’Donnell and Angle two years previous). We can’t nominate whack jobs for the Senate and get them elected. Sure, somehow they each appealed to a smaller segment of their state’s populous in previous offices. But when you run for a Senate seat, you need to be an adult with a reasoned approach to conservatism. And yet you watch, there are people here on FR who will start the “amen chorus” against what I am saying. Just wait and watch, there are a bunch of screwballs here on FR who find Akin and Mourdock “principled.” So you folks who approved of these two should tell us all why they didn’t win ( and how their loosing cost us the Senate).


13 posted on 12/23/2012 9:50:33 AM PST by vette6387
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To: vette6387

The words of Akin and Mourdock were twisted all out of context by the mainstream media to fit into a pre-conceived Republican War on Women meme aimed at single women, who have become the most gullible and inane of any segment of the electorate, including the welfare Queens, who are, in fact, a subset of the single woman electorate.

We need strong pro-life candidates who know who to talk to the people without giving the utterly dishonest media and Democrats something that can run with and create a firestorm out of nothing. That’s what they do. It’s who they are.

I think if we had nominated a principled conservative for President, both Akin and Mourdock would have been elected. Look at all the principled conservatives we have elected in 2010 and 2012 — and stop anguishing to point of hysteria over the defeats of Akin, Mourdock, and Angle and O’Donnell.

Ronald Reagan did this very well. He was a principled conservative who knew how to go over the heads of the media. That approach has to be drilled into all those who run for office.


14 posted on 12/23/2012 10:05:43 AM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: vette6387

I can’t tell if you’re going after me or not, but my first blame in the Senate debacle was The Republican Establishment - that insisted on throwing RINOs at us in states where conservatives could easily win (aka, IN and MO). By doing that, they angered the base, and the base in that state can select the candidates and will select a less-polished candidate if The Establishment manages to get all of experienced conservatives to step aside for the RINO, as happens.

So we’re stuck with good conservatives that aren’t up to the task of dealing with a media ready to cut them a new one - and it showed - and we lost.

So first step - The Establishment needs to step aside in Primary races and let the candidates duke it out, and for Heaven’s sake, don’t force experienced conservatives to stay out, so that the RINO can have the nomination, because the base will not permit that.


15 posted on 12/23/2012 11:27:50 AM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: WashingtonSource

“The words of Akin and Mourdock were twisted all out of context by the mainstream media...”

Sure, but they should have been adroit enough not to say things that could be “twisted,” that’s my point. The notion that Romney’s defeat had anything to do with Akin and Mourdock loosing is just nonsense! McCaskill was so far in the hole with her voters that it was the last thing on anyone’s mind that she could win. So she “helped” Akin, who was the weakest candidate in the field of three ( as I recall) win the Republican primary because she knew he would be the easiest one to beat. And he helped out with his intemperate remarks and then by “standing on principle” and not getting out of the race in favor of one of the other candidates who could have taken out McCaskill. But those folks for whom Akin was some sort of a “paragon of virtue,” seemingly are happy that he lost “trying to bring through their message,” whatever that was. You (they) seem content to have Harry Reid still in the position of thwarting everything. That having that situation continue is preferable to have pushed Akin out of the picture and replaced him with someone who could have won. If you were a Missouri voter, those of us who live elsewhere “thank you” for perpetuating the hell that is the US Senate. Akin is just like Boner. He’s loved in his district, but nowhere else. “It’s always the other guy’s rep that’s the problem, not mine.” Sure as hell isn’t how it is in my district. The last Republican was voted out of office fifteen years ago. So now I have a succession of POS to represent me.


16 posted on 12/23/2012 11:29:44 AM PST by vette6387
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To: WashingtonSource

“The words of Akin and Mourdock were twisted all out of context by the mainstream media”

Not when I heard them the first time, from Akin himself, unfiltered - I cringed, as it was clear as day to me that he had stepped in it. Then he stood by principle and by that he bailed out Claire.

Sure, the media didn’t help him out, but that’s not their job.


17 posted on 12/23/2012 11:41:43 AM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: BobL

“I can’t tell if you’re going after me or not, but my first blame in the Senate debacle was The Republican Establishment “

I am not going after anyone. I am simply stating my opinion. I know that the GOPe would have preferred other candidates in the races in question, and they were quick to withdraw support when the verbal crap hit the fan. That said, they didn’t elect these guys in the primary, the voters did. So to your point, if MO and IN were easy pickings for conservatives, what happened if it wasn’t poor quality candidates?
I am a good Conservative and I have entertained changing my registration from GOP to IND. But I am not sure that that helps anything but my animus for the GOPe. I am cautiously optimistic that the “new reps” in the House are going to kick out Boner. He’s a disgrace. I am aghast that MO and IN could not find and vet solid conservatives who were skilled enough not to be mousetrapped by the media into saying stuff that can be ginned up as nonsense. It’s like the two candidates in question, were not smart enough to know what not to say. Particularly where women’s issues are concerned, because as we all know, women put Obama back in office.


18 posted on 12/23/2012 11:42:51 AM PST by vette6387
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To: vette6387
So you folks who approved of these two should tell us all why they didn’t win ( and how their loosing cost us the Senate).

If only they had revealed they were gay, they would have won in a walk, right?

They were actively opposed by the GOPe and most bed wetters here.

Some of us knew what was coming because of all the weak willie RINO freepers that told us how stupid we were.


19 posted on 12/23/2012 12:40:17 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: vette6387
Particularly where women’s issues are concerned, because as we all know, women put Obama back in office.

The why don't you lay the blame where it belongs, "stupid women voters?"

20 posted on 12/23/2012 12:43:24 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: BobL
RE :”Plan B was a SHAM, which is why the Reps revolted. It did NOTHING to reduce the deficit, and it arguably would have driven rich people further away from paying taxes and hurt the country more than it helped.”

You do know that the taxes go up for everyone?
you talk like defeating the B will keep those taxes you reference from going up. Those tax rates and all the others go up Jan 1. So defeating that B bill doesn't stop what you claim it would have done, so it couldnt have really done what you claim.

Did ya see the quote in WSJ where O told Bohner “You get nothing” like he was the Godfather?
So all the taxes go up, O will successfully blame Republicans. Then what happens?
After they all go up O will get on TV over and over and really play it up say ‘You have hurt the people enough, so Lets cut middle class taxes. For once put the American people ahead of petty politics’, while in private he tells Bohner to call him when he's ready to surrender. This is Os plan.

RE :”Didn’t happen - Boener didn’t keep his end of the deal. The Reps have nothing to lose now - they might as well make a stand (which actually just started last Thursday, to be exact). If the suck it up again, the base stays home in 2014, just as it did in 2006 when we gave the House to Pelosi. If they fight, maybe the base comes out in 2014”

Its not hard to guess how this plays out. I think you have thought of this yourself.
Republican House will give the O-odfather what he demands, which will make B look like a dream.
Obama blames Tea party, Tea Party blames Bohner but no one (who votes no) will actually try to replace him because they are terrified of O and Pelosi and would rather leave Bohner to be the goat.
Pelosi takes back House 2015, Obama finishes his mission his last two years 15 to 16,

With any luck Obama will get immigration reform through his filibuster proof congress that gives Dreamers the vote, and a cell phone so he can text them in Spanish. So then national elections wont matter, every election we can post "The polls are rigged and they stole the election"

But if you are right and this leads to making O and Reid cave on taxes (better deal than B) next year, I will be the first to cheer and praise them, and you too.

21 posted on 12/23/2012 12:48:21 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: Russ
RE :”We had our chance to control the senate in November and the voters blew it. Now all we get for the next two years from the House is more of the same.”

I think this needs a small correction.
We Republicans had our their chance to control the senate in November and the voters Republicans blew it. Now all we get for the next two years from the House is more of the same.”

Two years ago Republicans were set to take the Senate this year, and O was unpopular, but in two years they blew it.

Wait till Pelosi takes back the House in 2015, that will end the gridlock.

22 posted on 12/23/2012 12:59:38 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: itsahoot

“Some of us knew what was coming because of all the weak willie RINO freepers that told us how stupid we were.”

I no more want any more RINOs in the government that anything. And I agree that the GOPe needs to be taken down. I also believe that not all folks who run as Conservatives, have both oars in the water. We see on the Left how the loons have taken over the RAT Party. The political spectrum is circle not a line. The Looney Right and Left ultimately meet up. Now I don’t think that either Akin or Mourdock are at that line, but they both failed the sniff test with the electorate in states where they should have won in a walk. I’d just like someone who supported them to acknowledge that their failures at the polls were there own doing, and not the GOPe, or Batman, or whomever.


23 posted on 12/23/2012 1:15:21 PM PST by vette6387
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To: sickoflibs

“You do know that the taxes go up for everyone?
you talk like defeating the B will keep those taxes you reference from going up. Those tax rates and all the others go up Jan 1. So defeating that B bill doesn’t stop what you claim it would have done, so it couldnt have really done what you claim.”

True, but you miss the my point (which, I admit, I didn’t make here). Yes, taxes go up for ALL taxpayers, and many present-day non-taxpayers (boy will those freeloaders get a surprise). But that will not stand...why, because the HUGE numbers of wealthy, white, liberals (and moderates) in the Northeast (and West Coast) that gave their votes to Obama will not allow it to stand.

In other words, Obama will be forced, BY HIS OWN VOTERS, to cave - maybe for the first time in his life.

To put it another way, you NEVER want to be on the receiving end of a phone call from an angry Northeastern Liberal, and many dozens of Democrats are just a couple of weeks away from that nightmare. They will fold - for NO ONE can take the wrath of that bunch.

Back to Plan B. Since the Dems in the Senate were going to block it, and since Obama would veto it - then how did it help us from having our taxes raised. The outcome is THE SAME!!

But there is a difference...the difference being that the Republicans stuck together on principle - perhaps for the first time in decades. That will keep our party together, while the Dems have to figure out a way to stop those calls from the Northeastern (i.e., very wealthy) liberals.


24 posted on 12/23/2012 1:52:15 PM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: BobL

Candidates needs to be trained in knowing what they can say and not say and avoid the pitfalls that Akin fell into. Ditto Mourdock. That’s all I’m saying. You can be strongly pro-life without venturing into minefields that can blow up your entire campaign.


25 posted on 12/23/2012 4:25:04 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: WashingtonSource

“You can be strongly pro-life without venturing into minefields that can blow up your entire campaign.”

Agree. President Reagan showed EXACTLY how to do that.


26 posted on 12/23/2012 4:30:57 PM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: BobL
RE :”In other words, Obama will be forced, BY HIS OWN VOTERS, to cave - maybe for the first time in his life. To put it another way, you NEVER want to be on the receiving end of a phone call from an angry Northeastern Liberal, and many dozens of Democrats are just a couple of weeks away from that nightmare. They will fold - for NO ONE can take the wrath of that bunch.”

That's pretty funny.
I live in a solid blue state. They will just blame Republicans for their rates going up, seeing it as out of spite because the upper ones will.
Not extending those upper rates was his major campaign issue and they all loved the idea and him for it, and he won the swing states let alone the Blue ones where he is worshiped now.

I figure eventually the House will give O exactly what he demands, cutting taxes back to the Bush rates for under $250K(or maybe $400K), Obama gets all the credit, Rs break out in civil war, Dems mop up the mess in the 2014 midterms with a big win, Pelosi takes over the House in 2015, Obama completes his transforming America his last two years.

27 posted on 12/23/2012 8:08:38 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: sickoflibs

What you figure isn’t that far off, but as long as we’re willing to walk away, as in last week, there still stands a chance that we’ll actually fight Obama for once.

But Obama doesn’t have a lot to stand on either...the Republicans simply offer the status quo, something that Obama signed off on 2 years ago - but this time Obama rejects it, in the name of social justice (or whatever)?

It will be interesting to see how it falls out.


28 posted on 12/24/2012 5:49:10 AM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: BobL
RE :”What you figure isn’t that far off, but as long as we’re willing to walk away, as in last week, there still stands a chance that we’ll actually fight Obama for once.
But Obama doesn’t have a lot to stand on either...the Republicans simply offer the status quo, something that Obama signed off on 2 years ago - but this time Obama rejects it, in the name of social justice (or whatever)?”

Its reported that Boehner tried to get O go back to the deal that was aborted last year with the spending cuts for deductions, and O told him
That was last year's deal. We won the election since then. Now I tell you what the deal is and you get it passed OR I will be using the state of the Union address to blame Republicans for all the taxes going up

His goal is a Democrat controlled congress his last two years.
He doesn't seem the last bit worried about taxes going up, but to win the game he has to get on TV nearly every day and convince voters that he is working day and night to stop it, and those crazy Republican Tea parters are holding Bohners family hostage at gunpoint willing to bring the country 'to its knees' (I heard a Dem call into C-SPAN using that phrase) for petty politics

This battle is won with high drama and acting. Dems are out to win, results are what they value not symbolism.

29 posted on 12/24/2012 11:14:22 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: sickoflibs

“This battle is won with high drama and acting. Dems are out to win, results are what they value not symbolism. “

Since we have capitulated at every step and that got us NOWHERE, maybe we should try fighting back, for once.


30 posted on 12/24/2012 11:20:17 AM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: BobL
RE :”“This battle is won with high drama and acting. Dems are out to win, results are what they value not symbolism.
.....
Since we have capitulated at every step and that got us NOWHERE, maybe we should try fighting back, for once”

Keep in mind that Rs tried three big standoffs in 2011 against O, and they only ‘capitulated’ after O successfully turned public opinion against them. That part seems to be missed, the cave is just the formality.

Now O pretty much has that from the start, and he will continue to play up the act on TV high drama with phony tears.,.
I see no reason to believe that this will go any better than those other three did,

I do agree with you though, if they hold out for a while it will be quite a show to watch. But I wish that Bohner would resign, I think those safe seaters will put him back in to make him the goat for how it turns out, none of them will step up to that job..

They get elected every two years, a R party with all safe House seats would be ~ 150 (of the 512) and then they don't have to convince anyone of anything to just say no and get re-elected.

31 posted on 12/24/2012 11:42:13 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: sickoflibs

“Keep in mind that Rs tried three big standoffs in 2011 against O, and they only ‘capitulated’ after O successfully turned public opinion against them. That part seems to be missed, the cave is just the formality.”

My point is that if we capitulate AT ALL, the Tea Party goes bye-bye (i.e., either stays home in 2014 or goes third party - I promise to do the second), and we get clobbered anyway.

But if we, somehow, manage to fight this guy (yes, I know, it means our leaders have to not listen to their PR people) and DON’T back down, then the Tea Party stays with us, and comes out to vote in 2014.

In other words, the Republicans should try to please their base, for once, because as 2012 showed, the other approach sure as hell didn’t work.


32 posted on 12/24/2012 1:48:01 PM PST by BobL (Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21...Agenda 21... (whatever the hell that is))
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To: BobL
RE :”In other words, the Republicans should try to please their base, for once, because as 2012 showed, the other approach sure as hell didn’t work.”

As you well know 2012 was full of many Republican screw-ups and they compounded perfectly for O. Look at all those screw-ups running for Senate. I never seen such a series of disasters.

Next year after all the taxes go up then O doesnt have to call for Tax increases, he can call for tax cuts for the 97%, over and over, So his advantage increases significantly. This is why he is doing everything he can to kill a deal now, offering Bohner nothing.

If no one in the House stands up to replace Bohner in January, which is likely, then all this talk about blaming him the next two years is just loser scapegoating.

Sure, in safe districts its easy to oppose middle class tax cuts that exclude income over $200K, or $1M.
But if they were to step up against Bohner become Speaker themselves and lead the House and do exactly that above and then lose the House to Pelosi in 2014 that would be seen as their personal failure. Much safer to just vote for Bohner, then fight against everything he tries and then blame him for the disaster, then self destruct.

I am afraid that is the path they are on. Republican party self destruction and Obama finishes transforming America.

33 posted on 12/24/2012 6:01:44 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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