Posted on 12/23/2012 2:02:43 AM PST by Olog-hai
Florida Rep. Allen West is suggesting the House is no longer a player in the fiscal cliff negotiations following the rejection by Republicans of Speaker John Boehner's “Plan B” tax bill, which was aimed at forcing the president into a larger deficit reduction deal.
The Republican caucus, according to some political observers, is now in chaos and unable to agree among themselves on anything.
But West insisted in an interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity Thursday night that Republicans did the right thing in refusing to go along with Boehner’s plan to increase the tax rate on the affluent even though it would have protected the current rates for most Americans. …
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You do know that the taxes go up for everyone?
you talk like defeating the B will keep those taxes you reference from going up. Those tax rates and all the others go up Jan 1. So defeating that B bill doesn't stop what you claim it would have done, so it couldnt have really done what you claim.
Did ya see the quote in WSJ where O told Bohner “You get nothing” like he was the Godfather?
So all the taxes go up, O will successfully blame Republicans. Then what happens?
After they all go up O will get on TV over and over and really play it up say ‘You have hurt the people enough, so Lets cut middle class taxes. For once put the American people ahead of petty politics’, while in private he tells Bohner to call him when he's ready to surrender. This is Os plan.
RE :”Didn’t happen - Boener didn’t keep his end of the deal. The Reps have nothing to lose now - they might as well make a stand (which actually just started last Thursday, to be exact). If the suck it up again, the base stays home in 2014, just as it did in 2006 when we gave the House to Pelosi. If they fight, maybe the base comes out in 2014”
Its not hard to guess how this plays out. I think you have thought of this yourself.
Republican House will give the O-odfather what he demands, which will make B look like a dream.
Obama blames Tea party, Tea Party blames Bohner but no one (who votes no) will actually try to replace him because they are terrified of O and Pelosi and would rather leave Bohner to be the goat.
Pelosi takes back House 2015, Obama finishes his mission his last two years 15 to 16,
With any luck Obama will get immigration reform through his filibuster proof congress that gives Dreamers the vote, and a cell phone so he can text them in Spanish. So then national elections wont matter, every election we can post "The polls are rigged and they stole the election"
But if you are right and this leads to making O and Reid cave on taxes (better deal than B) next year, I will be the first to cheer and praise them, and you too.
I think this needs a small correction.
We Republicans had our their chance to control the senate in November and the voters Republicans blew it. Now all we get for the next two years from the House is more of the same.”
Two years ago Republicans were set to take the Senate this year, and O was unpopular, but in two years they blew it.
Wait till Pelosi takes back the House in 2015, that will end the gridlock.
“Some of us knew what was coming because of all the weak willie RINO freepers that told us how stupid we were.”
I no more want any more RINOs in the government that anything. And I agree that the GOPe needs to be taken down. I also believe that not all folks who run as Conservatives, have both oars in the water. We see on the Left how the loons have taken over the RAT Party. The political spectrum is circle not a line. The Looney Right and Left ultimately meet up. Now I don’t think that either Akin or Mourdock are at that line, but they both failed the sniff test with the electorate in states where they should have won in a walk. I’d just like someone who supported them to acknowledge that their failures at the polls were there own doing, and not the GOPe, or Batman, or whomever.
“You do know that the taxes go up for everyone?
you talk like defeating the B will keep those taxes you reference from going up. Those tax rates and all the others go up Jan 1. So defeating that B bill doesn’t stop what you claim it would have done, so it couldnt have really done what you claim.”
True, but you miss the my point (which, I admit, I didn’t make here). Yes, taxes go up for ALL taxpayers, and many present-day non-taxpayers (boy will those freeloaders get a surprise). But that will not stand...why, because the HUGE numbers of wealthy, white, liberals (and moderates) in the Northeast (and West Coast) that gave their votes to Obama will not allow it to stand.
In other words, Obama will be forced, BY HIS OWN VOTERS, to cave - maybe for the first time in his life.
To put it another way, you NEVER want to be on the receiving end of a phone call from an angry Northeastern Liberal, and many dozens of Democrats are just a couple of weeks away from that nightmare. They will fold - for NO ONE can take the wrath of that bunch.
Back to Plan B. Since the Dems in the Senate were going to block it, and since Obama would veto it - then how did it help us from having our taxes raised. The outcome is THE SAME!!
But there is a difference...the difference being that the Republicans stuck together on principle - perhaps for the first time in decades. That will keep our party together, while the Dems have to figure out a way to stop those calls from the Northeastern (i.e., very wealthy) liberals.
Candidates needs to be trained in knowing what they can say and not say and avoid the pitfalls that Akin fell into. Ditto Mourdock. That’s all I’m saying. You can be strongly pro-life without venturing into minefields that can blow up your entire campaign.
“You can be strongly pro-life without venturing into minefields that can blow up your entire campaign.”
Agree. President Reagan showed EXACTLY how to do that.
That's pretty funny.
I live in a solid blue state. They will just blame Republicans for their rates going up, seeing it as out of spite because the upper ones will.
Not extending those upper rates was his major campaign issue and they all loved the idea and him for it, and he won the swing states let alone the Blue ones where he is worshiped now.
I figure eventually the House will give O exactly what he demands, cutting taxes back to the Bush rates for under $250K(or maybe $400K), Obama gets all the credit, Rs break out in civil war, Dems mop up the mess in the 2014 midterms with a big win, Pelosi takes over the House in 2015, Obama completes his transforming America his last two years.
What you figure isn’t that far off, but as long as we’re willing to walk away, as in last week, there still stands a chance that we’ll actually fight Obama for once.
But Obama doesn’t have a lot to stand on either...the Republicans simply offer the status quo, something that Obama signed off on 2 years ago - but this time Obama rejects it, in the name of social justice (or whatever)?
It will be interesting to see how it falls out.
Its reported that Boehner tried to get O go back to the deal that was aborted last year with the spending cuts for deductions, and O told him
“That was last year's deal. We won the election since then. Now I tell you what the deal is and you get it passed OR I will be using the state of the Union address to blame Republicans for all the taxes going up”
His goal is a Democrat controlled congress his last two years.
He doesn't seem the last bit worried about taxes going up, but to win the game he has to get on TV nearly every day and convince voters that he is working day and night to stop it, and those crazy Republican Tea parters are holding Bohners family hostage at gunpoint willing to bring the country 'to its knees' (I heard a Dem call into C-SPAN using that phrase) for petty politics
This battle is won with high drama and acting. Dems are out to win, results are what they value not symbolism.
“This battle is won with high drama and acting. Dems are out to win, results are what they value not symbolism. “
Since we have capitulated at every step and that got us NOWHERE, maybe we should try fighting back, for once.
Keep in mind that Rs tried three big standoffs in 2011 against O, and they only ‘capitulated’ after O successfully turned public opinion against them. That part seems to be missed, the cave is just the formality.
Now O pretty much has that from the start, and he will continue to play up the act on TV high drama with phony tears.,.
I see no reason to believe that this will go any better than those other three did,
I do agree with you though, if they hold out for a while it will be quite a show to watch. But I wish that Bohner would resign, I think those safe seaters will put him back in to make him the goat for how it turns out, none of them will step up to that job..
They get elected every two years, a R party with all safe House seats would be ~ 150 (of the 512) and then they don't have to convince anyone of anything to just say no and get re-elected.
“Keep in mind that Rs tried three big standoffs in 2011 against O, and they only ‘capitulated’ after O successfully turned public opinion against them. That part seems to be missed, the cave is just the formality.”
My point is that if we capitulate AT ALL, the Tea Party goes bye-bye (i.e., either stays home in 2014 or goes third party - I promise to do the second), and we get clobbered anyway.
But if we, somehow, manage to fight this guy (yes, I know, it means our leaders have to not listen to their PR people) and DON’T back down, then the Tea Party stays with us, and comes out to vote in 2014.
In other words, the Republicans should try to please their base, for once, because as 2012 showed, the other approach sure as hell didn’t work.
As you well know 2012 was full of many Republican screw-ups and they compounded perfectly for O. Look at all those screw-ups running for Senate. I never seen such a series of disasters.
Next year after all the taxes go up then O doesnt have to call for Tax increases, he can call for tax cuts for the 97%, over and over, So his advantage increases significantly. This is why he is doing everything he can to kill a deal now, offering Bohner nothing.
If no one in the House stands up to replace Bohner in January, which is likely, then all this talk about blaming him the next two years is just loser scapegoating.
Sure, in safe districts its easy to oppose middle class tax cuts that exclude income over $200K, or $1M.
But if they were to step up against Bohner become Speaker themselves and lead the House and do exactly that above and then lose the House to Pelosi in 2014 that would be seen as their personal failure. Much safer to just vote for Bohner, then fight against everything he tries and then blame him for the disaster, then self destruct.
I am afraid that is the path they are on. Republican party self destruction and Obama finishes transforming America.
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