Posted on 12/23/2012 6:49:35 AM PST by Understand the stimulus
What the republicans and their supporters don't understand is that Obama is playing them as if they are opponents in a "playground basketball game" where intimidation, trash talking, humiliation, and below the belt blows are the predominant rap of the winning team
Nothing better demonstrates this simple analysis than the following quote:
"At one point, according to notes taken by a participant, Mr. Boehner told the president, "I put $800 billion [in tax revenue] on the table. What do I get for that?" "You get nothing," the president said. "I get that for free."
The Journal apparently had agreed to embargo a story of the background behind the cliff's inner workings until after the final plan was agreed to, but decided to report on it immediately
What the republicans and their supporters don't understand is that Obama is playing them as if they are opponents in a "playground basketball game" where intimidation, trash talking, humiliation, and below the belt blows are the predominant rap of the winning team
Nothing better demonstrates this simple analysis than the following quote:
"At one point, according to notes taken by a participant, Mr. Boehner told the president, "I put $800 billion [in tax revenue] on the table. What do I get for that?" "You get nothing," the president said. "I get that for free."
Whether Obama likes or dislikes Boehner, Boehner still is the "speaker of the house" not simply a rookie player
Its hard to believe that a country with such impact on the worlds economy as the USA, would be so disorganized that no one has a clue how to plan for 2013 from any professional or personal investment point of view...
But if the Republicans want to play their own version of 'playground basketball' they can easily attack Obama's economic policies with a refusal to increase the Debt Ceiling.
it takes heroes to do that...and right now its hard to find any heroes among their ranks
In sum, it appears that senate lobbyists theorize a three or six month roll is still on the table with the exception of Estate Taxation which would revert to Clinton era levels.
But back door threats that started with U S Supreme Court in Obama's first "state of the union" haven't been hollow if one considers how easy it was to roll Chief Justice Roberts...
We have never been impressed with Boehner or how easily he could be rolled by Obama with the same ease
You have a President who is deficit spending three billion dollars a day, obstructs virtually every effort for spending cuts, screams for higher taxes knowing full well that taxes will not only fail to solve the deficits but will worsen them, and this is what passes for leadership in America today. Its not leadership, it is pathology.
Patrick Henry is dead.
We have only Henriettas in his place.
Addison Graves “Joe” Wilson, Sr.
Louie Gohmert of Texas!!!
What Boner should have done:
Looked obumbler in the eye and said:
“Look, kid. You have a long 4 years ahead of you and a lot of appropriations for your pet projects that the general public has no interest in, one way or the other. Keep giving us a hard time on taxes and the next 4 years is going to become very difficult for you.”
But that would take balls. He doesn’t have them.
The courage of a man is not how he deals with his subordinates, but rather how he deals with his equals and his superiors.
“I put $800 billion [in tax revenue] on the table. What do I get for that?” “You get nothing,” the president said. “I get that for free.”>>>>>>>>>>>>
Boehner is learning from Obama , instead of the writings of Winston Churchill, that one cannot negotiate with a fascist.
We need a Speaker of the House who does not need on the job training.
on top of this i continue to VOMIT everytime i see carl rat rove on FOX...the NFL 25 years ago stopped using chalk boards on the sidelines...that how out of touch he is...go to any college and the “twitter” revolution has co-eds free to demand sex on demand...no more girlfriend-boyfriend, the republicans have no message to the fact that 75% of 20-30 women voted for OBAMA...social media is an important tool because it gives ‘command and control’ to those who know how to use it like the Egpytian Arab Spring...
Whatever, we need heroes....who put their foot in Obamas door
Agreed!
The rest have seen what has been done to ‘troublemakers’ like Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin and just play according to democrat rules...
Cowards, all.
I nominate Allen West.
Do not know about Bachmann, but Palin I understand has two daughters who are demanding a Mom right now.
In four years, that may be much more flexible.
Do not count her out.
It’s worse. Obama is very successfully using Alinsky techniques to completely unravel the Republican Party to the point of not just destroying the party, but convincing it to commit suicide.
And Don Quixotes seeking favor from a DC media establishment that detests them. Even Paul Ryan is falling prey.
where is BREITBART.Com now led by a former loser in a congressional election who didnt earn his poition he simply was in a position to takeover the role...he has the personality of a blowfish...andrews original partner has never sought the spotlite not having the unusual talents of andrew to make fun of how the Left trys to be logical...a good man nonetheless....but JOEL MUST GO...and someone who has ANDREWS talent to challenege every word with levity needs to be found...breitbat is dull and unimportant...and needs new funny blood like MILLER
Criminals/socialists/totalitarians get everything for "free". That's how they roll...over all of us.
"Socialism Is Legal Plunder" - Frederic Bastiat
Heroes? There is ZERO "representation" to stop the plunder. We are being triangulated by totalitarians.
--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
(repost from another thread)
We aren’t even facing the basic conflict.
Democrats are all about hate and class warfare. They don’t give a rat’s patoot about the country, the economy, or anything else. Just punish the Kulaks and take what they want for themselves. Rinse and repeat.
We are all about growth. That is why we try to defend lower tax burdens for all, including the wealthy, because that’s where a lot of growth comes from. When there is growth, there is more of everything for everyone, and a way forward toward balancing the budget and a better future.
The conflict has gone right by us. We are negotiating with an adversary about what we think are economic goals we share, in order to avoid hardship and destruction. But the reality is that is exactly what these people want, a destroyed United States.
Unless and until our side starts to get honest, and accuse the president of desiring to destroy capitalism and of being a champion of communism, WE HAVE NOTHING. You can’t win the class warfare argument defending tax cuts for the wealthy. It’s not an argument we should even be having. A majority of the voters are now useful idiots that hate capitalism, the press is entirely dominated by bolsheviks, and the administration is full of true believer communists. We need to identify our enemy, establish why it is universally repugnant and evil, and connect them to it. The people must be made aware of the world view that these people share, and how it is not their world view. It is a simple matter to connect Obama and each of his advisers, appointees, czars, and friends through ACORN to SDS to Alinsky to Gramsci to Karl Marx.
How about at one of these meetings with the president, our guy asks him what he thinks of Saul Alinsky and has he read his works? Is he aware that Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer? As a supposed Christian, I assume you know who Lucifer is?
Ask him a question that appears in the test for citizenship. What type of economic system we have in the United States? Ask him to compare and contrast socialism and capitalism and to defend capitalism as BETTER.
Ask him to his face if he knows that Frank Marshall Davis, his “mentor”, was a card carrying communist who despised this country and wrote pro Stalin soviet propaganda?
As far as I can tell, no one has asked Obama to his face to give an account for his world view.
Back to the economy and the “fiscal cliff”. There isn’t going to be any significant economic growth because communists are destroying the country, and growth is anathema to them. There aren’t going to be any budget cuts because communists are destroying the country and they want MORE debt, not less.
Ideas and elections have consequences. All we have left is the truth, and that is that Obama is an ideological COMMUNIST and is doing what communists do.
I don’t buy the meme that America has shifted to a left-of-center country. I’m still convinced that conservative beliefs are widespread and popular.
We are Taxed Enough Already and we don’t want tax rate increases for anybody, even the rich. Plan B was a mistake and the conservatives in the House saw it as such and acted accordingly. Bully for them! To hell with the class warfare and Communist rhetoric.
Now those same conservatives need to raise hell. Make some noise! Nominate Allen West, or Louie Gomert as speaker!
Of course, it would help if we had a conservative news outlet to get the word out. Fox has faded and is now moderate, which is still an improvement over the leftist MSM but hardly a conservative trumpet. Instead of giving millions to spineless GOP candidates, maybe Adelson, the Koch brothers and others could put that money into starting a REAL conservative TV station.
The left will scream, but what else is new?
The 25 or so conservatives who stood up to Bonehead and Cantor and
McCarthy threats are my heros. It would have been a lot easier had they
thrown in the towel and tossed their principals aside. After all, The DC Party
have done their best to corrupt them from the moment they arrived in DC.
God bless them all. And the corrupt GOP leadership? They can take their
sorry a$$es, along with their K-Street Money Changer friends including Trent Lott
and go straight to hell.
If Boehner were any kind of a negotiator, he would have replied: "No, sir. You're mistaken. Now my first offer is $400 billion. Disrespect me again, and I'll drop it to $200 billion. If you want to negotiate, let's negotiate. I'm here and I'm ready. If you want to issue demands, do it on your own time, not mine."
It’s a silly proposition to start with.
It’s really only a matter of degrees as to the difference between the Repubs’ and Democrats’ headlong rush to consign the Constitution to the ash heap of history.
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