Posted on 12/26/2012 9:18:02 AM PST by Dartman
MOSCOW - Russia’s upper house of parliament approved a bill on Wednesday that would prohibit Americans from adopting Russian children and impose other measures in retaliation for a U.S. law designed to punish Russians accused of human rights violations.
The bill, which President Vladimir Putin has hinted he will sign, would also outlaw some U.S.-funded non-governmental organisations and impose visa bans and asset freezes on Americans accused of violating the rights of Russians abroad.
That was the first thing I went looking for. It seems as if the law involves intervening in internal Russian quarrels and corruption by imposing penalties on certain Russians if they want to or do come to the U.S. I'm sure there is plenty worthy of opprobrium in what passes for human rights in Russia ... but from the Obama administration, the whole thing is rather inconsistent.
I receive tax credits for each of my 3 kids. Should I lose those too? Anyway, tax credits given by our government is really a separate debate. It’s petty to approve of Russia’s decision just because you have an aversion to the tax credits. There are real lives involved. And for someone to want to visit the fatherless in their affliction is not the same as wanting to be the savior of the world. It’s just Christian.
I haven't filed yet for 2012 but the maximum tax credit is $13,170 per child, I adopted two. Note, that is the max, I may only take credit for adoption expenses. I did not spend that much, so do not get the max. "Special needs children" are excepted. The whole thing is being phased out after 2012.
Post 12 is garbage. Putin is a bad guy. Nothing good will come out of Gog.
This whole thing started when an adoptive couple put a young boy on a plane alone and sent him back to Russia, after deciding they didn’t want him.
Sorry, I meant 11....
I remember that incident, although I remember the adoptive parent’s being a single mother. Maybe there was more than one, similar event.
And Merry Christmas! I don’t think we’ve “crossed paths” in the last few days. We were in contemplation of sale-shopping, but Kathleen has fallen asleep.
First, were your children foreign? If so, why should the taxpayer subsidize your adoptions? I could see it for US children because it actually relieves the public burden.
Don’t tell me about ‘real lives’. Because you need to feel good doesn’t mean that other people have to pay for it. It may be your idea of Christian, but it is not license to take from others to do it.
That happened while my sister was in Moscow trying to get the kids. Caused some problems. Being put on an air plain isn’t all that bad when considering what the average Russian orphan goes through. They really are through aways. This ban has nothing to do with the welfare of their orphans.
I only know what my friend told me. The egregious part of it is that he made enough money to have done it out of his own pocket.
Like I said, the debate of subsidizing and the debate of banning the adoptions are not the same.
From what I understand Obama was pointing fingers saying that the Russian systems was corrupt, and Putin said - so is the American system, so get out of our business and zip it, and they are both right.
In many cases the Russian adoption is nothing more than human trafficking, and both countries are doing it.
As much as you’d have not wanted them to be, there are connected, at least up until as I’ve heard here, this year.
Russia is a sovereign country, or so the UN recognizes. They can do as they wish. We have enough problems here.
So do I but I will avoid all taxes that I legally can, don't you?
Like I said, I can only take credit for what was actually spent and for two American children, contested adoption, it cost around $8,000 total and believe me, I didn't do it for any tax credit.
We had these two children in our care for 4 years before adopting and received no money from state or fed government nor did we want any. One set of braces alone was over $6,000 and I paid for two, that's out of my pocket and not an "adoption expense".
There is no profit to be had in adoption, When we started the adoption procedure, we didn't even know about a tax credit.
Respectfully and with admiration in initial motives, I am still fully against tax credits for adoption of foreign children. It is just a means for corruption in the host countries to bilk children-wanting Americans of their money, and a drain (or at least, was) on the American taxpayer who subsidized it through tax credits.
Like I said, I have nothing against tax credit for adoption of US children - never did because it relieves the taxpayer of public burden and allows the adoptive parent to meet their need.
Kids are probably better off staying there. After all the old USA is embracing communism, Marxism and socialism while at least most Russkies are trying to shed their old commie cloak.
This comment has nothing to do with the argument going on here, but didn't the little monster try to burn down the family house?
I'd do the same thing...except I would have never got involved in an adoption in the first place.
The tax credit applies to both domestic and international adoption. Sure, it is subsidizing someone’s choice to be a parent - just like group insurance underwriting the costs attendant to childbirth.
The tax credit applies to both domestic and international adoption. Sure, it is subsidizing someone’s choice to be a parent - just like group insurance underwriting the costs attendant to childbirth.
You have a choice, or once did, to be part of ‘ group insurance’.
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