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Roman Catholic Cleric, Celebrates Palestinian State - (12/24/2012)
Associated Press ^ | 12/24/2012 | DALIA NAMMARI

Posted on 12/26/2012 10:53:39 AM PST by haffast

BETHLEHEM, West Bank — Thousands of Christians from the world over packed Manger Square in Bethlehem Monday to celebrate the birth of Jesus in the ancient West Bank town where he was born.

For their Palestinian hosts, this holiday season was an especially joyous one, with the hardships of the Israeli occupation that so often clouded previous Christmas Eve celebrations eased by the United Nations' recent recognition of an independent state of Palestine.

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In his pre-Christmas homily, Twal said the road to actual freedom was still long, but this year's festivities were doubly joyful, celebrating "the birth of Christ our Lord and the birth of the state of Palestine."

"The path (to statehood) remains long, and will require a united effort," added Twal, a Palestinian citizen of Jordan, at the patriarchate's headquarters in Jerusalem's Old City.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: israel; jordan; palestine; terrorists
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To: massgopguy

its as anachronistic as calling St Patrick English.
there was no Palestine until Hadrian changed the name from Judea to Palestina


21 posted on 12/26/2012 1:19:39 PM PST by hecht (america 9/11, Israel 24/7)
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To: haffast

Are you drinking this early already? You’re not even making sense.


22 posted on 12/26/2012 1:47:15 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: BillyBoy
You're about as likely to find a pro-Jewish Palestinian Christian as finding a Sinn Fein member who is against Irish independence.

. Robert Kennedy came across one of those pesky Palestinian Christians.
Sirhan Sirhan -"I am a Christian. My whole family is Christian....We have been Christians for at least 800 years. We are Palestinian Christians."-Tom

23 posted on 12/26/2012 2:27:11 PM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks haffast.
...this year's festivities were doubly joyful, celebrating "the birth of Christ our Lord and the birth of the state of Palestine. The path (to statehood) remains long, and will require a united effort," added Twal, a Palestinian citizen of Jordan, at the patriarchate's headquarters in Jerusalem's Old City

24 posted on 12/26/2012 7:03:24 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv
You're welcome. Ran across this tonight:

Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust

"The International Catholic-Jewish Historical Commission (ICJHC), a group comprised of three Jewish and three Catholic scholars, was appointed in 1999 by the Holy See's Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews. In October of 2000, the group of scholars finished their review of the Vatican's archives, and submitted their preliminary findings to the Comission's then-President, Cardinal Edward I Cassidy. Their report, entitled "The Vatican and the Holocaust," laid to rest several of the conventional defenses of Pope Pius XII."

"The often-espoused view that the Pontiff was unaware of the seriousness of the situation of European Jewry during the war was definitively found to be inaccurate. Numerous documents demonstrated that the Pope was well-informed about the full extent of the Nazi's anti-Semitic practices. A letter from Konrad von Preysing, Bishop of Berlin, that proved that the Pope was aware of the situation as early as January of 1941, particularly caught the attention of the commission. In that letter, Preysing confirms that "Your Holiness is certainly informed about the situation of the Jews in Germany and the neighboring countries. I wish to mention that I have been asked both from the Catholic and Protestant side if the Holy See could not do something on this subject...in favor of these unfortunates." The letter, which was a direct appeal to the Pope himself, without intermediaries, provoked no response. In 1942, an even more compelling eyewitness account of the mass-murder of Jews in Lwow was sent to the Pope by an archbishop; this, too, garnered no response."

"The commission also revealed several documents that cast a negative light on the claim that the Vatican did all it could to facilitate emigration of the Jews out of Europe. Internal notes meant only for Vatican representatives revealed the opposition of Vatican officials to Jewish emigration from Europe to Palestine. "The Holy See has never approved of the project of making Palestine a Jewish home...[because] Palestine is by now holier for Catholics than for Jews." Some Catholic higher-ups violated this position of the Vatican by helping Jews to immigrate when they were able to; most did not."
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/pius.html

Adolf Hitler in Religious Surroundings: Is There Really Evidence That the Führer Was a Christian?

25 posted on 12/26/2012 7:33:17 PM PST by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: massgopguy

Said priest is a HERETIC. And I am being serious. He is retranslating the Bible for political ends in a manner which undermines Jesus’s life. He was the proclaimed “King of the Jews”, not leader of the Roman colonists in Gaza. He was supposedly heir of David, the man who crushed teh Greek Sea Peoples/Pelesht.


26 posted on 12/26/2012 7:36:59 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
You seem to be ignoring thje Jewish kingdoms.

About Mary: it would be (geographically) accurate to say that as an inhabitant of Nazareth, Mary was Galilean; it would be (racially) accurate to say she was of the tribe of Judah and the house of David
Miriam was an Israelite of the Judahite Tribe, living in Roman Occupied Israel. No one called this area "Palestine" during the life of Jesus or his family. This came about in a campaign of cultural genocide by the Romans following the Bar Kochba revolt.

27 posted on 12/26/2012 7:40:58 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: haffast

Thanks haffast.


28 posted on 12/26/2012 8:01:06 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: rmlew
You're right, I think it was called "Syria Palestina" after the Bar Kochba rebellion. My point is that the identification of that very much disputed parcel of land switched back and fort a lot. According to the Jewish Encyclopedia, the term Palestine referred to the entire area between Phoenicia and Egypt in 5th century BC. Herodotus wrote of a 'district of Syria, called Palaistinê" including the Judean mountains and the Jordan Rift Valley.

I didn't mean to slight the Jewish Kingdoms, not at all. But even their identity shifts. For instance, Herod the Great, the "King of the Jews" during Miriam's time, was actually an Idumean and a tributary to the Romans.

(It's kinda like when people say St. Nicholas was from Myra "in Turkey." Well no, better to say "in Anatolia" or "in the province of Asia" or "in Asia Minor." During his times there were no Turks there.)

During Miriam's time there was no truly Jewish king.

29 posted on 12/27/2012 5:17:53 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (May the Lord bless you, may the Lord keep you, May He turn to you His countenance and give you peace)
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To: haffast
West Longs for Jew-Free Zones in Jerusalem
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2972582/posts
30 posted on 12/27/2012 8:54:29 AM PST by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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