Posted on 12/31/2012 6:47:47 PM PST by ednoonan7
As one of the litigants in Attorney Orly Taitz's upcoming Barry Soetoro (aka BHO) eligibility case (Jan 3, 2013), I have doubts that Judge Morrison C. England, Jr can be objective about removing the Usurper-in-Chief from office. England will be incapable of being fair and honest in this "Soetoro eligibility" matter. I will admit that England was nominated by George W. Bush (on March 21, 2002) for the seat on the Federal bench but I can hardly believe that England is a stalwart GOPer.
I have been unhappy with England in the past. He was the "conservative turncoat" who decided anyone that contributed money to Prop 8 could be "outed" in newspaper articles. The same leftist garbage is currently being pulled back East where names of private GUN OWNERS are being highlighted in the local newspapers. This so-called Judge (England) ruled that it is okay to ridicule and give out names and addresses of those that contribute to anti-gay causes and campaigns.
See: http://www.sfgate.com/default/article/Judge-won-t-limit-disclosure-of-Prop-8-donor-list-2326456.php
Judge England disregarded Supreme Court rulings that allowed the NAACP and the Socialist Workers Party to conceal their membership or contribution lists after encountering public hostility. But the anti-gay patriots were not allowed the same status. Thus, I do not feel kindly towards Mr. England.
Plaintiff: Edward C. Noonan National Chairman – American Resistance Party
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I don’t disagree with you that Obama supporters are fools.
But the “evidence” that birthers have produced is cr*p, which has steadily led me, and many others, to the conclusion that their accusations are cr*p.
Of course there will always be those who desperately want to believe. Just like those who still believe in Santa Claus.
Well you’ve kept yours. Zero zero.
You seen Obama’s original birth certificate then? seen any original document from Obama?
No?
Do you have a brain? Or a conscience?
Didn’t think so.
Corrected.
The Sophists were history’s first progressive teachers living in ancient Greece. Their trade, so to speak, was teaching methods of persuasion to the elite of their day, for a price. Sophistry employs rhetorical techniques used to direct arguments towards (at the least) a stalemate, it attempts to persuade a lesser skilled debater into questioning a commonly held belief or truth. Sophist like the modern progressives do not care whether an argument is true but whether their agenda is reached. Their agenda is to appear superior to their adversaries.
Our agenda should be to discover the truth.
The Sophist were history’s first progressive teachers living in ancient Greece. Their trade, so to speak, was teaching methods of persuasion to the elite of their day, for a price. Sophistry employs rhetorical techniques used to direct arguments towards (at the least) a stalemate, it attempts to persuade a lesser skilled debater into questioning a commonly held belief or truth. Sophist like the modern progressives do not care whether an argument is true but whether their agenda is reached. Their agenda is to appear superior to their advisories.
Our agenda should be to discover the truth.
The reason why I stand up against the utterly futile, deeply embarrassing and unfortunately unending birther idiocy is because I happen to have both.
It should indeed. Unfortunately, the agenda of birthers is to endlessly repeat nonsense. And every time some of their nonsense is shown to be false, they just go out and invent some new nonsense. Or ignore the fact the mounds and mounds of stinking previous nonsense was shown to be false, and repeat it as if it were true anyway.
“Only a Court can order a vital record of a living person sealed and archived. A Court order to seal and archive a documents means it not legally valid in any Court or Administrative Hearing.”
I agree. But will document here that reporters have indicated in was Gov. Lingle who ‘sealed’ the records.
I have no idea what legal authority a Governor has to take such action. But it is in print as shown below.
Your thoughts? Is there a partial truth - i.e. sealed records do exist - but they were sealed long before Lingle was around?
Reported ‘sealing’ of documents by Lingle:
http://www.sonorannews.com/archives/2008/081029/FrntPgJudge.html
“Hawaii Governor Linda Lingle seals Obama’s birth records” - subtitle
“Following Obama’s one-day trip to Hawaii last Thursday to visit his “deathly ill” grandmother, Lingle placed Obama’s birth records under seal and instructed the Hawaii Department of Health, under no condition may it provide access to the original document unless Obama authorizes it to be released.*”
This generated a response from the Gov. office:
“The subhead, and the statement in the article, “Lingle placed Obama’s birth records under seal and instructed the Hawaii Department of Health, under no condition may it provide access to the original document unless Obama authorizes it to be released,” are not true.
The Governor did not make any order relating to this matter. Vital records are administered through the state Department of Health.”
http://24ahead.com/lingle-obama-hawaii
So after reports were obviously fed a line that Lingle sealed the documents her office has contested that.
“I agree. But will document here that reporters have indicated in was Gov. Lingle who ‘sealed’ the records.”
The Court ordered the original long form BC for Obama to be sealed when the Soetoro adoption was finalized. Gov. Lingle, or a bureaucrat who works for Gov. Lingle, followed the order issued by the court and sealed the record.
Gov. Lingle, or any bureaucrat working for her, does not have the authority to seal a vital record of a living person. Only a Court can order the record sealed.
We know Obama’s original long form BC was sealed by order of the Court because the long form BC was “accepted” by the registrar Aug 8, 1961 and then the COLB was “filed” by the registrar Aug 8, 1961.
ACCEPTED - Registrar accepts the affidavits of the mother, delivery doctor and hospital administrator swearing the vital information provided to the registrar is true and correct.
FILED - The Court ordered the vital record to be created and filed. The Registrar does not have the choice to accept or refuse to file the submitted vital information.
Obama’s original long form BC was ACCEPTED.
Obama’s COLB was FILED after a Court ordered it to be FILED. (Note: COLB was ordered created and filed in 1971, 1972 and backdated to indicate it was filed on Aug 8, 1961 by order of the Court).
Most Hawaiians have an ACCEPTED original long form BC and an ACCEPTED COLB.
“...deeply embarrassing and unfortunately unending birther idiocy ...”
Seriously? You’re embarrassed because some people want a court of competent jurisdiction to evaluate a constitutional issue on its merits?
You need to grow a thicker skin.
Our Constitution mandates he be one.
He's a usurper.
Problem is, most in the country or the media and certainly nobody in a position of power to act upon that gives a damn.
No, Jeff Winston's
"Unfortunately, the agenda of birthers is to endlessly repeat nonsense. And every time some of their nonsense is shown to be false, they just go out and invent some new nonsense. Or ignore the fact the mounds and mounds of stinking previous nonsense was shown to be false, and repeat it as if it were true anyway."
is a putrid example of Alinskyite, demshill trolling.
Jeff winston needs to return to DU -- from whence hesheit crawled...
The only constitutional issue here has already been evaluated on its merits. A person born a US citizen in the United States is a natural born citizen without regard to the citizenship of his or her parents. That was settled by the US Supreme Court in 1898, more than a century ago. That is well-settled law. And that is why the current US Supreme Court has repeatedly turned down birther lawsuits without comment. They don’t think it’s even worth commenting on.
I’m no expert in Alinsky tactics, but from the little I know, they seem to consist of calling names, making unfounded accusations, and saying things that aren’t true.
ALL of which have been the unending tactics of the birthers from the very beginning.
In fact, the truly interesting thing here is that those who are accusing others of being “Alinskyites” are the people who are using Alinsky-style tactics. Those of us who actually care about the truth and the Constitution have been slandered again and again from the very beginning.
And continue to be. Which is fine. I don’t care. It’s what birthers do. It’s who they are. I and the other genuine Constitutionalists and reality-based conservatives here are all used to it by now.
It bothers me that FR allows it, but I’m used to it. So go on, insult me some more. Call me some more names. Falsely accuse me some more. Doesn’t bother me. It only shows what you are.
What SCOTUS case, ever, stated that simply being born in U.S. jurisdiction and regardless of parental citizenship makes one a “nautral Born Citizen?”
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Wong Kim Ark. I’m pretty sure we talked about it last year.
Somebody here accused me of not having read Wong Kim Ark. But the problem is, I DID read it. In fact, I read it carefully. And so have some of the other folks here.
It doesn’t take a genius to figure out why the Supreme Court turns down the “natural born citizen” birther cases without even commenting on them. They already decided the issue of whether citizen parents are needed, long ago.
Heck. Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity would've been all over it, too.
But especially Levin. Oh, and folks like Hillsdale College. And folks like the Heritage Foundation. I hear of these folks all the time on the radio. Not one peep about some imagined requirement of citizen parents to be a "natural born citizen."
I just looked up "Constitution" and "Heritage Foundation." Guess what I found?
From here:
Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President. As early as 1350, the British Parliament approved statutes recognizing the rule of jus sanguinis, under which citizens may pass their citizenship by descent to their children at birth, regardless of place. Similarly, in its first naturalization statute, Congress declared that "the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." 1 Stat. 104 (1790). The "natural born" terminology was dropped shortly thereafter. See, e.g., 8 U.S.C. § 1401(c). But the question remains whether the term "natural born Citizen" used in Article II includes the parliamentary rule of jus sanguinis in addition to the common law principle of jus soli. In United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), the Supreme Court relied on English common law regarding jus soli to inform the meaning of "citizen" in the Fourteenth Amendment as well as the natural-born–citizenship requirement of Article II, and noted that any right to citizenship though jus sanguinis was available only by statute, and not through the Constitution. Notwithstanding the Supreme Court's discussion in Wong Kim Ark, a majority of commentators today argue that the Presidential Eligibility Clause incorporates both the common-law and English statutory principles, and that therefore, Michigan Governor George Romney, who was born to American parents outside of the United States, was eligible to seek the Presidency in 1968.
“That was settled by the US Supreme Court in 1898, more than a century ago. “
Jeff - what case(s) are you referring to?
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