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Uganda’s Anti-Gay Bill Is a Smoke Screen Obscuring Deeper Problems
The Daily Beast ^ | 15 December 2012 | Jocelyn Edwards

Posted on 01/01/2013 9:06:36 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

An evergreen bill imposing life imprisonment on gays is arguably nothing more than an ugly diversion in the hands of politicians eager to avoid real problems, writes Jocelyn Edwards. Rebecca Kadaga, Uganda’s speaker of parliament, broke her pledge to pass the country’s infamous anti-gay bill before the year’s end on Friday, as the lawmakers in the small East African nation broke for the holidays without debating the legislation. And so, a population found in one survey to be 96 percent opposed to homosexuality won’t get the odious “Christmas gift” she had promised. But for the government, however, that hardly matters. For Ugandan lawmakers, the anti-gay bill has served its purpose again.

While westerners protested Ugandan embassies worldwide and posted petitions on social media, some in the East African nation sighed. Government critics, watching the almost cyclical return of the matter to prominence every few months, believe what has become known as the “Kill the Gays” bill is merely a cynical ploy to distract from an acute governance deficit in the nation, a flimsy smoke screen for Uganda’s more pressing problems. President Yoweri Museveni’s hesitance over the bill, which originally proposed the death penalty for the offence of “aggravated homosexuality,” is well documented.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: guncontrol; homosexuality; killing; uganda
So, gun control advocates like John Cobarruvia, Donald Kaul and others are calling for felony penalties and death for NRA members and gun owners in general. Why not advocate for the same penalties for homosexual activity and promotion as is being pushed in Uganda? Well, some oppose homosexuality like they oppose gun ownership, so why not? We might as well all be open about our opinions about matters. Now that I've posted this, does this mean I am to be investigated for instigating violence and the individuals calling for the death of NRA members and gun owners who have done nothing should be ignored? It looks like we've arrived at the point where disagreeing with someone is apparently permission to publicly call for that group/individuals imprisonment and/or death. Maybe I'm missing the big picture here.

By the way, Jesus would want us to make an effort to convince the homosexual to abandon homosexuality and become a christian, not kill him/her. Simply trying to show the hypocrisy of the leftist, immoral, Godless ones.

1 posted on 01/01/2013 9:06:43 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I’d heard hat his had already been passed, but from this it looks like this witch hunt is going on hold for now — maybe indefinitely.

Sodomy is a despicable thing, but from other reports this proposed legislation goes way overboard beyond banning sodomy to bringing accusations at hints of homosexual attitudes. To use another metaphor, this is a recipe for a can of worms.

What this witch hunt in Uganda has to do with other witch hunts in the USA, I have no idea.


2 posted on 01/01/2013 9:20:43 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

Pharisees are rampant in Uganda these days.


3 posted on 01/01/2013 9:24:26 PM PST by MarMema (eh.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
Though I've always found everything to do with homosexuality sickening and repulsive in the extreme, I used to have a more live-and-let-live attitude about them, as long as they stayed out of my face. However, don't-ask-don't-tell was going too far and a huge mistake, and I always understood that.

But with the recent all out assault on holy matrimony, that is HOLY MATRIMONY (it's not called 'holy' for nothing), any tolerance I had is out the window. You can't be tolerant with an implacable enemy. You can't be tolerant of evil. The death penalty for gays and their most ardent enablers and life for the lesser friends of sodomy is fine by me.

This is not just tit-for-tat, calling for their death when they call for ours. This is a tactic we must adopt to ensure our own survival. Destroy the enemy or he will destroy you. And harbor no illusions about it, homosexuals and the left lust for the destruction of Christianity and America.

4 posted on 01/01/2013 9:49:53 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; HiTech RedNeck; MarMema; LibWhacker

Uganda knows a thing or two about the topic after being a target of the Gay Lobby for many years:

[Harvard Study:]UGANDA’S SUCCESSFUL STRATEGY AGAINST AIDS BASED ON CHASTITY
July 24, 2002

KAMPALA, Jul 23, 02 (LSN.ca/CWNews.com) - Uganda may be on its way to wiping out AIDS by using a strategy based on chastity and fidelity, according to findings in a Harvard University study. The Harvard study credits abstinence education with “significant effectiveness in reducing AIDS in Uganda ... with the HIV infection rate dropping 50 percent between the years 1992 and 2000.” (snip)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/721534/posts


5 posted on 01/01/2013 11:00:08 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: donna

The United Snakes is the only country in the world where AIDS is spread worse by homosexual conduct than heterosexual conduct. Uganda got its heterosexuals to behave better. I’m not sure what this has to do with the current witch hunt which will probably fail, but is just weird.


6 posted on 01/02/2013 4:59:15 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Uganda got the attention of the Gay Lobby because Uganda took a moral approach to the HIV problem and worked with the churches. Homosexuals can't tolerate that. They have been tormenting Uganda for decades now.
7 posted on 01/02/2013 6:41:40 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: donna

And if they can’t get Uganda to ignore Christianity then the next best thing is to get Uganda to devour itself in a witch hunt so they can then get the world to point and mock.


8 posted on 01/02/2013 7:00:53 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“In 1778, Thomas Jefferson wrote a law in Virginia which contained a punishment of castration for men who engage in sodomy, however, what was intended by Jefferson as a liberalization of the sodomy laws in Virginia at that time was rejected by the Virginia Legislature, which continued to prescribe death as the maximum penalty for the crime of sodomy in that state.”


9 posted on 01/02/2013 7:24:22 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: donna

If you actually bother to LOOK at the proposed law in Uganda, it’s not mere “sodomy” that is the object of the ban.

It is something much vaguer which might include a brother hugging another brother.

You are not budging me one iota from pointing out that there is a witch hunt here, and that you are being a useful idiot for the witch hunt.


10 posted on 01/02/2013 8:28:08 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

You’re reduced to name calling. Typical.


11 posted on 01/02/2013 10:56:09 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: LibWhacker

I see no reason to interfere...

None of my business if the execute homosexuals.

I don’t live in Uganda.


12 posted on 01/02/2013 11:02:32 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If Uganda (or Islamic countries, for that matter) execute homosexuals, I don’t care.

I refuse to interfere.

I see no reason to defend that filth, the homosexuals hate this country and I won’t defend them.


13 posted on 01/02/2013 11:08:37 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: donna

Caryl Chessman went to the gas chamber in 1960 for sodomy convictions.


14 posted on 01/02/2013 11:12:38 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

I agree with your posts.
Uganda.. Whatever.

(shrug)

Homosexuals should leave Uganda and move to San Fransicko if they want to feel at home.


15 posted on 01/02/2013 11:14:44 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

There are a lot of things we shouldn’t interfere in.

And we should hold liberals to their own standards of not interfering with other cultures.

I say bring every soldier home from abroad.

Let the Europeans defend themselves.

We are not a military welfare program.


16 posted on 01/02/2013 11:21:50 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Lancey Howard

Wow, I just read his bio on Wikipedia. His stay of execution came seconds too late! I bet the girls he attacked were relieved to see it happen after all the liberals supported him.


17 posted on 01/03/2013 1:32:07 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: donna

Who’s name calling? I am scientifically identifying. You are the one who is being “typical.” Swoon for anything that puts “execute” and “homosexuals” in the same sentence and don’t give a damn about the details in which the devil is. (Or for that matter, even a damn about the gospel, in which a witness of those delivered from that sin could never happen there because they would promptly be put to death for their former sins. If you want law, you get lots of it. If you want grace you get none.)


18 posted on 01/04/2013 9:43:57 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: donna

Can’t you even keep straight about what you’re railing about? You were off on the hobby horse of homosexuals.


19 posted on 01/04/2013 9:47:16 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

If you care about Christianity, you care enough to see Christianity done correctly.


20 posted on 01/04/2013 9:48:31 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

If you would stop being hysterical over what appears to be a topic very close to your heart, you would notice that I never said I supported the execution of homosexuals.

You are name calling - as always, revealing loss of control.


21 posted on 01/05/2013 1:21:11 AM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

There is a lot more going on that an attack on homosexuality here, and with the recent reports of many countries in Europe withdrawing financial support because of serious corruption...I do think this is a smokescreen all the way.


22 posted on 01/08/2013 12:10:56 PM PST by MarMema (eh.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I wouldn’t assume that AIDS is spread by heterosexual behavior in Africa. Logically, it shouldn’t be different. Follow the money.


23 posted on 01/08/2013 12:17:39 PM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: donna
I am upset about it as well. I am a heterosexual and my kids are too. I don't think Christ said we should persecute or kill people who are sinful. Like me.

Quote the old testament if you like. Christ came to change all of that.

We're all sinners and if there was one sin that I struggle with chosen to be execution material, well count me right next to the gay man in Uganda. Say otherwise and line up with the Pharisees. I personally am choosing the other line, right next to the Publican. May God have mercy on all who are choosing to stand with the Pharisees in Uganda.

24 posted on 01/08/2013 12:23:32 PM PST by MarMema (eh.)
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To: AppyPappy
It is actually quite true that HIV initially made substantial progress in central Africa because of war, which led to prostitution, and then lots and lots of HIV. It was found to have been in rural villages there for many decades but the huge spinoff event for it to go global and rampant were the migrations of large numbers of people and prostitutes along the routes.

in this book it is quite well documented

25 posted on 01/08/2013 12:28:32 PM PST by MarMema (eh.)
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To: AppyPappy

Oh and not to be remiss, but the second spinoff event was perhaps a single male gay airline attendant, and the bath houses and high level of promiscuity in this country.


26 posted on 01/08/2013 12:31:12 PM PST by MarMema (eh.)
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To: AppyPappy

Oh and not to be remiss, but the second spinoff event was perhaps a single male gay airline attendant, and the bath houses and high level of promiscuity in this country.


27 posted on 01/08/2013 12:31:22 PM PST by MarMema (eh.)
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To: MarMema

I didn’t quote the Old Testament and I don’t understand your post at all.

Did you mean to reply to someone else?


28 posted on 01/08/2013 12:34:37 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: AppyPappy

The logic from some reports is that there is an old voodoo belief that a man could rid himself of a venereal disease by giving it to a disease free female (or even baby). Disgusting, of course. But it should not be ignored. The actual demographic facts are that homo activity is much more frequent with respect to heterosexual activity in the US than in other places, even those who have rolled over and instituted “gay marriage.” In France it’s a bragging point to have mistresses. In US it’s tolerated but not yet flaunted.


29 posted on 01/12/2013 2:28:29 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: donna

Go do some research on the people that the Communists in Russia actually did refer to, contemptuously, as useful idiots. They were their willing pawns.

If you “never supported” execution of homosexuals then you have done a passable impression of hinting about it.

I suggest you get down off that high horse before it crashes over a cliff.


30 posted on 01/12/2013 2:31:23 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: donna

Incidentally, I could as easily point out that this topic seems to be very near and dear to your heart as well. Might I ask why it is so? Might I ask why the citation about centuries-ago American practice? (IIRC the person quoted also owned slaves.)

If you are so sensitive to perceived “names,” then why are you naming me as “typical”? Isn’t that simply at best the pot calling the kettle (if not the refrigerator next to it) black? Think about the implications of your own language and what that reveals about your own mind. All this coyness about citing things that you then disclaim the applicability of has to speak to something in your own mind too.


31 posted on 01/12/2013 2:50:45 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: donna

Shoot, let’s make my reply a trifecta. Go Google up NIGYSOB. Then explain why what you’re attempting to do to me and some others is not precisely that. While I normally don’t put stock in pop psychology due to its oversimplifications, that term, which came to my attention the other day in a different context, seems to describe your game particularly well.


32 posted on 01/12/2013 3:05:46 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

I agree. Uganda looks out for Uganda, and after looking at what has been done in Europe and the US by the homosexual lobby, they can respond to it however they wish. Besides, this is nowhere near as extreme as the Saudi law. Where are the homos outside the Saudi embassy? Oh, they’re not there.


33 posted on 04/25/2013 6:12:54 PM PDT by Viennacon
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