Posted on 01/05/2013 6:02:47 AM PST by wintertime
Truant school kids get surprise trip to jail /( School:Training to be prisoners of the state)
This video is 2:37 minutes long.
Questions:
Adult prison? Really? Wow! Imagine the lessons taught there!
Why are communities demanding that 18 year old young men ( whose only crime was to be born) attend prison-like school where they are treated in many ways like a state prisoner?
Why should a community do to this to a 17 year old or to any child of any age? These children have committed no crime but the state treats them like prisoners in their prison-like state schools.
What impact will this imprisonment have on the future lives of these young people in this video? ( Please, remember that they have **rationally** rebelled against being treated like a state prisoner in their prison-like state schools.)
What is the impact of having unwilling inmates in prison-like schools on the education of those who are compliant in their prison-like schools?
With the increasing criminalization of childhood behavior, that in the past would have been treated as a learning opportunity, what will be the consequences for our nation?
What will be the consequences of having a nation of voters who have been trained in the prison-like state schools to be comfortable with being state prisoners?
Please remember that behind every government school teacher stand armed police, courts, handcuffs, and hard-time prison. ( Real bullets in those guns on the hip.) Isn't this video proof enough of that?
By the way, although the judge was quoted as saying that kids who are not in school are committing crimes, there was no mention of these young people committing crime ( except for being born and refusing to being treated like a prisoner of the state.)
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It goes back far more than 40 years. Just last week I was looking at a picture of my elementary school (built circa 1920) and even when I attended in the 60s and 70s there were gates (bars) on all the basement and 1st floor windows, and they remain there today, and the building and concrete school yard were surrounded by 8 foot fencing. When we arrived in the school yard we were to join our class and line up in alphabetical order (starting in 1st grade) in total silence.
The picture I get when I drive past the elementary school my now high school age daughter attended is VERY different. It is all on one floor and the only concrete around it is the parking lot, everything else is grass and flowers and special mulch under the playground equipment. The only fencing is between the parking lot and grassy areas on one side of the building and around the baseball field.
BTW - did I mention, I attended Catholic school and my daughter attends public school?
Which sounds more like a prison to you?
Right. Imagine what would have happened to Mark Twain or Thomas Edison-—what “lessons” and Virtues would have been drilled into them for skipping school? Bet it would have really affected the mind of Lincoln who skipped school his entire life.
Teaching Virtue has been the ONLY purpose of school according to Plato—up until the Fabian Socialist, John Dewey. Destroy Virtue and you collapse society—the search for Truth (God) always ends in an Age of Reason. This is known by the Cultural Marxists who invaded the USA in the 1930’s. It is easy to research.
Forced schooling to destroy the Virtue and individuality and intellect of children was installed by the Fabian Socialist John Dewey by 1930 to intentionally dumb down and brainwash the independent Americans. Wundt’s psychology in the 1800’s knew that if you controlled educational systems, you control the minds of the masses in a generation. You can flip beliefs.
Public Schools are run by a bunch of hard core Marxists-—curricula written by people worse than Billy Ayers inserting BF Skinner psychology to condition and brainwash children with their Prussian system to create drones-—”group think” and deChristianize our nation and create dependency on authority figure for all information. Sets up the Big Brother gives permission for every aspect of life—even going potty.
Why do they attack true Christianity (not the Marxist-type lesbian pastored churches which are the same as Liberation Theology churches—State is god)? Christianity is about Truth and Individual Rights—all people have worth—Collectives are evil—they dehumanize people and make them expendable. They can’t get abortion, homosexual “marriage” until they corrupt the masses—and eliminate morality—destroy Virtue. Cultures can NOT be free when Virtue is gone (Plato and Founders knew this)-—and they are collapsing culture like they did in the Weimar Republic and in Ancient Rome, etc.
This actually destroys the independent, individualism which created America and made us exceptional. It conditions and brainwashes children to just do what they are told and to be greatly influenced by what the “group” thinks. They use humiliation in the classroom to make those exceptional children who come from Christian homes to conform to “group” pressure. They have designed curricula to target beliefs and incorrect attitudes (like those who think it is creepy for men to sodomize other men).
The people who control curricula and all influential institutions are Satanists and need to corrupt and pervert children to flip their Christian Ethics which took thousands of years to ingrain-—now, with the help of the Hollywood pederasts (Corey Feldman’s statement) promoting sodomy and degenerate, evil behaviors on TV 24/7 to destroy all relationships (esp. between men and women and children), schools are —as Lenin had said-—the easiest way to get control over a generations “Worldview”——but NOW they are really literally sodomizing the children-—not just their minds.
History shows all these Fabian Socialist, Bolsheviks, One Worlders, Muslim Brotherhood lovers, Nazis Bohemian Grove types are all sodomites and worshippers of homosexual “marriage”. Prisons promote their behaviors and religion. It is the easiest way to destroy worldview of children—to see men lust after one another—(like in Afghanistan)—so that Christian Ethics are totally obliterated in one generation.
This is their way to normalize pederasty and sodomy (like in Afghanistan)—which they are doing through APA and UN organizations-—to bring us back to paganism/occultism/Satanism—the religions of the Kissinger-types who have engaged in horrific orgies—worshipping Baal—even before John Maynard Keynes (Fabian Socialist) was glorified at Harvard in early 1900’s even though it was common knowledge that he was a pederast and used boys in orgies all the time with all his homosexual buddies who held positions of power in universities and publishing companies, etc. They had power to “influence” not only curricula, but attitudes of the masses back in early 1900’s—especially when these guys took total control of Hollywood and Russia.
The way wintertime talks, you almost expect he/she to be about 150-200 years old. Wintertime, sounds like you’re not willing to get into the 1950s mentality yet, even though we are 60 years beyond that even. Get with the times my friend.
In Florida we have “virtual” high school sort of a “home school”/Internet thing sanctioned by the school board ,, I have a neighbor whose kid is using that while working part time..
I agree, sounds pretty much the same as the schools I went to as a kid in the 70s.
Re: It is inherently wrong for government to tax citizens for education.
Yes, I believe that, but I doubt to see that Nirvana in my lifetime. Vouchers, tax credits, and charters are better than what we have now which is government owned and run price-fixed cartel schools.
Re: Government run schools since the settlement of this nation by Europeans
I do not believe one group of politically powerful people should tax others to support their non-neutral cultural, religious, and political worldview, and this is what all schools do.
Re: Modern Government schooling
I make this distinction because Horace Mann's philosophy, the passage of compulsory school attendance laws ( mid 1800s to early 1900s) and compulsory state provision of schooling, is the philosophic and structural foundation upon which our modern system of government schooling rests.
Re: All schooling is inherently religious
It is. All schools must choose between a godless or God-centered worldview. This religiously non-neutral worldview will drive the content of curriculum and school policies which, in turn, can not be religiously neutral. It is for this reason that we must begin the process of privatizing education. Government shouldn't be in the business of putting its imprimatur on an education that can not be religiously neutral.
Re: Founders
They would be appalled to see the outcome of compulsory government owned and run, socialist-funded and single-payer schooling. Surely, they wished to see a population that was literate, numerate, and well-educated, but government schooling is not providing an education. Our appalling illiteracy and innumeracy rates are proof enough of that.
I stand with our Founders. I too would like to see a well-educated citizenry. This is one of the best reasons to begin the process of privatizing the delivery of schooling.
“Re: It is inherently wrong for government to tax citizens for education.
“Yes, I believe that, but I doubt to see that Nirvana in my lifetime. Vouchers, tax credits, and charters are better than what we have now which is government owned and run price-fixed cartel schools.”
Okay. This is a novel idea in America. As I've pointed out, government has been involved in funding and running schools since at least the end of the 17th century in what became the United States. The Founders were familiar with government schools and took little notice, no less offense, while some of them and their contemporaries went about the business of establishing or building up government-funded and -run schools. The arguments over public education about which I've read were about how the government should fund them, degrees of centralization versus local control, how to control costs, how to establish parity between different localities in a single state, but not about WHETHER it is acceptable for government to fund or run schools.
To persuade those who don't already agree with you, need to make a rather strong case for this proposition, on its own, apart from any other. If you don't make such a case, then you should really reduce the level of rhetoric against those with whom you disagree.
” Re: Government run schools since the settlement of this nation by Europeans
“I do not believe one group of politically powerful people should tax others to support their non-neutral cultural, religious, and political worldview, and this is what all schools do.”
That's sort of a reiteration of your first answer, but I see what you're getting at. My response is pretty much the same as to the last issue.
Some of your other answers are either a little repetitive or not exactly on point.
“Re: Founders
“They would be appalled to see the outcome of compulsory government owned and run, socialist-funded and single-payer schooling. Surely, they wished to see a population that was literate, numerate, and well-educated, but government schooling is not providing an education. Our appalling illiteracy and innumeracy rates are proof enough of that.”
I don't think they'd be upset by the model of government-funded and -run schools. After all, they participated in setting up the first government-funded and -run schools, they and their contemporaries.
They might not like a lot of other things about public schools, but they were mostly pretty intelligent men, and many having received a classical education, were adept at logic.
You haven't shown that the inevitable outcome of government-funded and -run schools is the mess we have now.
“I stand with our Founders. I too would like to see a well-educated citizenry. This is one of the best reasons to begin the process of privatizing the delivery of schooling.”
No, you don't. They believed that through self-government, the people could establish government-funded and -run schools to provide education to their progeny.
Like I said, maybe the Founders were wrong and you're right. But at this point, you're making assertions not supported by actual logical arguments.
Don't be surprised if other people of good will think you're wrong. Very wrong.
For my part, there are many things with which I agree with you, others that I don't, and still others where I haven't made up my mind. Thus, I'm about as friendly an audience as you're ever going to have among people who don't march lock-step with you.
But I've been reading these threads for a very long time. Once upon a time, I used to read your posts, as I found a lot of points of agreement. But as you became increasingly strident, as you seemed to accuse anyone involved in public schooling of bad faith, and as your failure to make logical arguments for your more novel assertions, it got to the point where, on homeschooling threads, I just use my mouse to completely pass your posts by.
Nothing you have ever written as made me re-think what I think on any small, single point concerning education. You're ineffective in your style and in how you present your content. You are not doing God's work, here. I recommend that you rethink your approach.
sitetest
Blue Highway:
The progenitor of this particular post and thread has asked me and the fellow people I have pinged not to engage them in any post, comment, ping or otherwise. As I am a gentleman of my word and do not wish to be considered a troll or stalker, I have acquiesced to the request.
That said, the progenitor is not going to engage anyone who is a proponent of public education and has gone so far as to call us names such as Marxist, Useful Idiot, and Godless. Further, there is an adamant refusal to answer tough questions such as the ones you are posing because to do so would compromise beliefs. Cognitive dissonance has to kick in to prevent that, you see.
So, as the progenitor wages an artificial war against public education, rallies around those who only hear their echos and refuses forthright to admit, engage or supply an answer outside of a stock set of pre-posted stale and contrite thoughts, we few have been asked to let said person be free to continue posting vitriol about fellow conservatives using Alinsky tactics and then running when the fire gets too hot.
Do not be surprised when you are the recipient of a similar request, even though said poster has a history of ignoring requests from similar people.
Enjoy what time you have remaining trying to engage in thoughtful commentary.
My best to you, good sir.
Can anyone honestly say, that modern government schooling, as it exists today, is giving our nation that?
Re: Those running the government schools
Not all of those responsible for the running and management of government schools are people of bad faith. Lenin would call them Useful Idiots. I do, too.
The rest are evil or stupid. Yes, I consider government schooling to be **that** harmful to the child and to the continuing freedom of our nation.
If we educate 80% or more of our nation's citizens in godless, socialist-funded, single-payer, and compulsory schools we should not be surprised when we raise up generations of voters comfortable with godlessness, socialism, single-payer government programs, and government compulsion.
All it took to give the nation Franklin D. Roosevelt with his socialist, compulsory, and single payer programs was one to three generations of socialist, single-payer, and compulsory schooling. Now we have Obama and all it took was one to two generations of Marxist dominated government schooling. Can it get any worse? Would our Founding Fathers think this was good? ( I don't think, so.)
Re: My style
Maybe God will raise up a prophet with a silver smooth writing style. Mine is what it is.
Wintertime's posts are usually a mish-mash of ingredients, many good, at least some disgusting.
I previously likened her posts to chocolate chip cookies with chunks of crap interspersed with the chocolate chips. Not very appetizing.
I usually ignore her when she isn't posting directly to me, or if I'm not engaging with someone else whose participation in the thread is inextricably linked to her posts.
sitetest
Certainly how much water that potty will flush! :-)
As one young person on a Youtube said about schools, at least the prisoner has his own toilet. He isn't forced to use one where someone else has peed on the seat.
Re: Chocolate chip cookies with bits of scat
Well....I am a slow learner. I thought I was posting to someone of goodwill. I will try not to make that mistake again.
“I stand with our Founding Fathers. They too wanted an educated citizenry.”
But you stand against them in your belief that public education is evil. They did not believe that.
“Can anyone honestly say, that modern government schooling, as it exists today, is giving our nation that?”
1. Non sequitur. To defend the concept of government-funded and -run education doesn't require defending “modern government schooling.”
2. Equivocation. “Modern government schooling” doesn't mean the same thing everywhere.
3. Overgeneralization. Self-evident. There are roughly 50 million children of school age in the United States. Roughly 42 million of them are in public schools (last time I checked). There are thousands and thousands of school systems and over 100,000 public schools in the United States. The qualities of public education vary widely from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, and even from school to school within the same jurisdiction.
“Not all of those responsible for the running and management of government schools are people of bad faith. Lenin would call them Useful Idiots. I do, too.”
There are something like 4 million public school faculty in the United States. No exceptions to these three categories?
“If we educate 80% or more of our nation's citizens in godless, socialist-funded, single-payer, and compulsory schools we should not be surprised when we raise up generations of voters comfortable with godlessness, socialism, single-payer government programs, and government compulsion.”
That's an assertion. Now make the arguments.
“All it took to give the nation Franklin D. Roosevelt with his socialist,...”
Another assertion. Make the argument. You will need to pay some attention to the fact that the people descended from those alive in FDR's time are not identical to the people who put Obama in power. You will also need to argue that we should discount other historical events that occurred post-FDR, such as the civil rights movement and the civil rights acts of the 1960s, loudly opposed by the Republican presidential candidate of 1964 and other leading Republicans. Finally, you need to reflect on the possibility that your precise conception of good government isn't ordained by the Gospel. It is possible that there are some who believe in God who have different conceptions than you.
” Re: My style
“Maybe God will raise up a prophet with a silver smooth writing style. Mine is what it is.”
It isn't your writing style that's the problem. It's often the objectionable, unnecessarily inflammatory content that makes you ineffective.
But if you were only ineffective, you could safely blather on, and leave it in God's hands. As it is, consider that perhaps your posts do more harm than good. In that case, silence could be preferable.
sitetest
Legally, it is worse than you might think.
For many years, there were private, cash or insurance paid “mental clinics”, for mostly insubordinate children, or the children of rich people who were “in the way”, for whatever reason.
Some parents who had enough of their children’s antics, would get a rubber stamp diagnosis that their children were mentally ill, and put them in these places until they had turned 18, or the money ran out. In either case, they would then be declared “cured” and released.
In some cases, children would be set to inherit a lot of money from a deceased parent, and their step parent wanted the money, so they would institutionalize them, and spend all the money in the inheritance, as a trustee, while they were incarcerated.
Children in such lockups have no recourse to habeus corpus, nor any other legal remedy.
For people with little money or insurance, they found out they could kick the child out of their house, then call the police to report them as runaways. After doing this a few times, the children would be called incorrigible and just kept in juvenile detention.
(I helped a girl get out of this insanity by taking her to a church that cared for her until they could arrange legal adoption. Her birth parents were hideous people.)
In many states, if children or their parents can no longer stand each other, if the child can get alternative support, one or the other can ask a court to “emancipate” the child from their parents. (Think emancipation proclamation to free slaves from their status as property. Same idea.)
That I post frankly doesn’t mean I’m not a person of good will. Furthermore, that I view some parts of your own posts to be loathsome doesn't mean that I think you're not a person of good will. Just that some of your arguments are sickening. You aren't what you post.
But I’d rather you engage my arguments rather than deal with them via ad hominem. My posts are not me. My arguments are true or false without reference to how good a person I am.
sitetest
You try so very hard, sitetest - you really do!
I love reading your posts, especially on this subject as they are always well thought out, articulate and informative. Even if I may not agree with you 100%, I know I am not wasting time reading your thoughts.
In this particular post of yours, I am in 100% agreement. There was a time when wintertime actually did have interesting and even insightful commentary on the subject of homeschooling. Unfortunately, it appears she no longer cares about homeschooling per se, but rather only seeks to demonize anything and everyone with any connection to or support of anything BUT homeschooling, as many of her comments about that which occurs in public school also occurs in private schools, both religious and non religious.
It no longer seems she cares at all about homeschooling or even promoting it, but rather is taking some strange enjoyment in further alienating those who otherwise would support her. I find her posts to longer be rational as they drip with such meanness that they often border on outright hatred.
I come to FR and join in discussions, not to belong to an echo chamber, but for the exchange of ideas and information. Alas, there are some people that only desire an echo chamber and refuse to engage in any type discussion outside of that chamber.
I’ve gotten rather long winded, and for that I apologize - I just wanted to thank you for your posting.
FReegards.
P.S. - yes I know I am technically breaking the FR rules about speaking of another poster without pinging, but as I am sure you know, I am only honoring the “polite and respectful” request of wintertime to not ping her to my comment.
They probably never heard the term "truant officer" before either......
AMEN brother, now can the rest of the FR wake up. The NWO is here.
Really?
I remember the Principal informing me that my father could be arrested if I ever tried to pull off being truant again and that was 1966. Sister Mary wasn't exactly pleased hen this then 1st grader informed her "you can't have my daddy arrested because he is a policeman."
Yes, attendance was mandatory even back then and even in Catholic school.
Claiming this is something new and only applies to public schools is not disingenuous - but just plain wrong.
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