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A CIA veteran on what ‘Zero Dark Thirty’ gets wrong about the bin Laden manhunt (plus video)
Washington Post ^ | January 3, 2013 | By Jose A. Rodriguez Jr.

Posted on 01/05/2013 8:02:08 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee

It is an odd experience to enter a darkened room and, for more than two and a half hours, watch someone tell a story that you experienced intimately in your own life. But that is what happened recently as I sat in a movie theater near Times Square and watched “Zero Dark Thirty,” the new Hollywood blockbuster about the hunt for Osama bin Laden.

When I was head of the CIA’s Counterterrorism Center from 2002 to 2004 and then director of the National Clandestine Service until late 2007, the campaign against al-Qaeda was my life and obsession.

I must say, I agree with both the film critics who love “Zero Dark Thirty” as entertainment and the administration officials and prominent senators who hate the movie for the message it sends — although my reasons are entirely opposite theirs.

Indeed, as I watched the story unfold on the screen, I found myself alternating between repulsion and delight. . .

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News
KEYWORDS: binladen; cia; enhanced; hollywood; interrogation; joserodriguez; movie; torture; zerodarkthirty
Jose A. Rodriguez Jr. is a 31-year veteran of the CIA. He is the author of “Hard Measures: How Aggressive CIA Actions After 9/11 Saved American Lives,” written with former CIA spokesman Bill Harlow, who also contributed to this essay.
1 posted on 01/05/2013 8:02:12 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I haven’t seen it — AND WON’T -— but, did anyone really think they would get much right in this Obama inspired epic about the made for entertainment president?


2 posted on 01/05/2013 8:04:57 PM PST by Baynative (Those that work for a living are now outnumbered by those that vote for a living.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I heard that in the movie...

1. They make every CIA person say the “F” word about 10,000 times

2. Every single male in the movie is extremely nasty and anti-woman

3. The heroine main-character is portrayed as single-handedly having got OBL

4. America is shown as being Very Bad

5. Torture, torture, torture, torture, torture

I was really looking forward to this movie, but I trust this critic (he is like us) and he says IT IS THE WORST MOVIE HE HAS EVER SEEN.


3 posted on 01/05/2013 8:14:14 PM PST by gaijin
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Did they cover the fact that we killed him 9 or 10 years ago?
(according to the media that is!), how many times do we have to kill this guy before he is dead?

Must be part cat.


4 posted on 01/05/2013 8:19:18 PM PST by foundedonpurpose (It's time for a fundamental restoration, of our country's principles!)
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To: foundedonpurpose

Osama. Son of Elvis.


5 posted on 01/05/2013 8:22:57 PM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I agree that the CIA did not torture any Islamic agents. There were no finger nails pulled, limbs stretched, or any other unnatural movements forced upon them.

Making them compliant by making them uncomfortable is not torture.


6 posted on 01/05/2013 8:23:21 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: gaijin; All

Heard it was good and pretty non-political from one of
my friends. Saw Argo and liked that even with Lefty Aflek directing. Will see it when and out on DVD and judge for myself.


7 posted on 01/05/2013 8:26:14 PM PST by SMCC1
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To: Jonty30
Making them compliant by making them uncomfortable is not torture.

True. Anyone with any basic military training has experienced this.

8 posted on 01/05/2013 8:28:05 PM PST by TADSLOS (I took extra credit at the School of Hard Knocks)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

From the first word in the title they got it wrong.

Nobody in the military - nobody - ever says “Zero” Dark Thirty.
It’s always “Oh-Dark-Thirty”.

Hollywood is populated by those who hate the military and have never served in it. They can’t even get the jargon right.


9 posted on 01/05/2013 8:28:26 PM PST by oldbill
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To: oldbill

LOL! You’re right. It was always “Oh-Dark-Thirty”. Never heard Zero Dark Thirty until this movie came out.


10 posted on 01/05/2013 8:31:30 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Where can I pick up a 2013 Mayan calendar?)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

It’s funny to watch people get their panties in a knot about how the movie has errors. It’s a ***Hollywood movie***, and not the documentary they pretend but cleverly never portray it as!

This is the same Hollywood that had Billy the Kid shoot “Murphy” in the head, at the end of “Young Guns”. In real life “Murphy” died of cancer later that year.
And “Doc Scurlock” portrayed by Kiefer Sutherland? In the movie he runs away with the young asian girl he stole from Murphy and dies in the stinking springs shoot out in Young Guns II. Of course, in real life, he died of old age in Texas in 1929. And was married to a spanish woman, two years before the Lincoln county war. He died in Young Guns II for one simple reason. Sutherland didnt want to be in the sequel and insisted that they kill off his character early in the script, even though that man died of old age.

So these whiners crying that Hollywood got it wrong crack me up. It’s almost unheard of that Hollywood is ever accurate about any historical event, or even close.

Getting history from Hollywood movies is very dicey business. The movie was nothing but a love letter to Obama from his Hollywood friends.


11 posted on 01/05/2013 8:32:04 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: gaijin

Your points 1 and 3 are correct, but the others are not. I enjoyed the movie, and really don’t understand all the liberal angst over it.


12 posted on 01/05/2013 8:33:07 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Something must have happened to force the WP to carry Rodriquez’s column because what he writes contradicts a lot of what Post writers, columnists and letters to the editor writers wrote about the pursuit of Bin Laden.

I don’t think that the WaPo suddenly developed a conscience or pro-America attitude. If they did, then they would have fired about half of their key writers, editorial writers, and columnists, as well as their Letters to the Editor editor.

Perhaps the Obama people made it known that they wanted the Obama regime to get the credit not only for “getting” Bin Laden”, but for “cleaning up” the intelligence community’s tactics. Nothing else makes any sense since the hunt for BL started under the first administration of George W. Bush, gained strength and direction during the second, and led to the elimination of Bin Laden by inertia in the Obama administration in its first term.

If the Obama people put pressure on the WaPo to publish things that would make O look good no matter what else was revealed, then I wouldn’t put it past them to do so. They have a lot of WP insiders who would also support such a tactic, a tactic of disinformation, misinformation, aggrandisement and back-patting (i.e. hogging all the glory and the credit while they can at the time before peoples’ memories of the truth began to fade).

At least Mr. Rodriguez has made an ernest attempt “to set the record straight”, something the Obamites will never do re the Massacre at Ben Ghazi, “Fast & Furious”, and John Kerry’s military records and contacts with the enemy during the Vietnam war.

Maybe the Wash Post got a conscience and wanted to tell the truth for once? Nah, pigs haven’t yet learned to fly though leftist/liberal crap does all the time in the mainstream media. That is why I always carry and umbrella in DC.


13 posted on 01/05/2013 8:33:15 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: FlingWingFlyer

It’s like hearing a guy at the Walmart gun counter ask the clerk if they have any of those ‘double zero’ shotgun shells. It got real quiet.


14 posted on 01/05/2013 8:38:46 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: All

I want to see it because it has the dems all wee wee’d up.. Even if it is propaganda, they seem to think it has enough truth to very vocally oppose it so that means it might hurt them.. the truth always does.


15 posted on 01/05/2013 8:38:58 PM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

It’s on Kick-Ass Torrents, kat.ph. Just haven’t got around to watching it yet.


16 posted on 01/05/2013 8:49:31 PM PST by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: Jonty30
Making them compliant by making them uncomfortable is not torture.

I think that's called marriage.

17 posted on 01/05/2013 8:55:55 PM PST by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: oldbill

What does Zero Dark Thirty mean anyway?


18 posted on 01/05/2013 8:59:22 PM PST by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: gaijin
I was really looking forward to this movie, but I trust this critic (he is like us) and he says IT IS THE WORST MOVIE HE HAS EVER SEEN.

Huh? It seems you didn't read the whole thing to the end.

Despite its flaws, inaccuracies and shortcuts, I do believe this film is well worth seeing. Like the real hunt for bin Laden, it goes on way too long, but there is value in the end. Theatergoers should understand, however, that “Zero Dark Thirty” is more than a movie and less than the literal truth. This is especially apparent in the final scene, with Maya in tears, drained, not sure where to go or what to do next.

Her real-world counterparts have no doubt: The battle against al-Qaeda is far from over.

19 posted on 01/05/2013 9:04:11 PM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: Hugin

Huh?

My use of “this critic” does not refer to the critic who wrote this article.

It’s another critic.


20 posted on 01/05/2013 9:06:32 PM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

OK, got it.


21 posted on 01/05/2013 9:09:57 PM PST by Hugin ("Most times a man'll tell you his bad intentions, if you listen and let yourself hear."---Open Range)
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To: gaijin

Shame. I really liked Hurt Locker.

When ‘24’ was on. the govt really hated that they showed the torture scenes.


22 posted on 01/05/2013 9:13:31 PM PST by Morris70
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Orambo


23 posted on 01/05/2013 9:17:44 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Thank God for Jose A. Rodriguez Jr.
Feinstein and McCain are trying to hide the truth.


24 posted on 01/05/2013 9:22:52 PM PST by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: gaijin
3. The heroine main-character is portrayed as single-handedly having got OBL

That is played out in every crime-fighting movie ever made.

The script almost always focuses on one person, or perhaps a very small team, who are responsible for tracking down the villain, usually while fighting interference from superiors.

This is necessary to provide dramatic tension, as the real-life account of tens, hundreds or thousands of people just doing their jobs doesn't make much of a story. Or at least Hollywood doesn't think it would.

25 posted on 01/05/2013 9:23:04 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Brad from Tennessee
0bastard, Hillbilly and Ricecakes say the problem is movies.
Movies cause terrorist attacks.

So 0bama arrests a movie maker to keep us safe.

But Cairo Egypt protesters say "0bama we are all Osama!"

So 0bama helps Hollywood make a movie.

A film by Kathryn Bigelow w/assistance from the 0bama administration.


Click on pic to see the trailer @ Youtube.


Kathryn Ann Bigelow

Lives in Beverly Hills, CA. Net worth $14 million dollars.

0bama, we are all Nakoula!

26 posted on 01/05/2013 9:28:32 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
As a senior U.S. official Rodriguez would know people at the Post who might be inclined to give him some op-ed space even though they don't share a belief system with him.

Liberals are not only upset about the “torture” scenes, they are pissed because the production company, or the news media, gave the impression a year ago that this movie would portray Obama as the central figure in Bin Laden’s death; a glorified campaign commercial. As a result the White House bent over backwards to help speed things along.

Instead, it sounds like Kathryn Bigelow, the director, produced a lot more serious work than anyone expected. And portraying Barack Obama as just another cog in a big wheel, implying that “torture” helped get Bin Laden, presenting the CIA as an often positive force doesn't jeehaw with liberal group think.

Bigelow won the Academy Award for “Hurt Locker.” It was criticized by a lot of Iraq veterans for inaccuracies and for creating a central character who was idiosyncratic to the point of being an insubordinate rouge. I liked “Hurt Locker” and thought it portrayed the U.S. military as brave and competent soldiers in a complex war environment. But I wasn't in Iraq.

27 posted on 01/05/2013 9:29:19 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Jonty30
I agree that the CIA did not torture any Islamic agents.

Obviously treatment of prisoners being interrogated exists on a spectrum from perfect politeness and silk sheets to the extreme torture methods used throughout history by those we now generally consider "the bad guys."

Everybody on all sides of the issue recognizes this. They also agree that at some point on this spectrum, the treatment becomes appropriately classified as "torture."

The argument over whether the CIA did or did not torture prisoners is thus entirely over whether certain techniques did or did not cross the line on this spectrum.

Those who claim it was torture usually, dishonestly IMO, just assume that it did without bothering to first prove it.

"Torture," in this sense, is more or less a legal term, with no inherently logical place to draw the line between torture and non-torture. "Torture opponents" just assume that techniques the law does not, or anyway did not, consider to be torture nevertheless are torture.

28 posted on 01/05/2013 9:32:46 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Brad from Tennessee

“they are pissed because the production company, or the news media, gave the impression a year ago that this movie would portray Obama as the central figure in Bin Laden’s death; a glorified campaign commercial”

And that’s exactly what it is. They didn’t need to put in scenes of Obama pointing at maps like he was in a Fredrick Remington painting and barking out orders. Everyone sitting there has already been well steeped in, “Obama ordered THIS”,, and “Obama ordered this director to have unlimited access to the SEALS, DOD, and CIA”. And “Obama conducted a special private briefing for the makers of this film”.

The entire movie and it’s marketing was made to glorify Obama. They don’t need cheesy scenes to hammer it home. They are nothing if not experts at propaganda.


29 posted on 01/05/2013 9:37:26 PM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Spunky

Ping for later viewing.


30 posted on 01/05/2013 9:38:26 PM PST by Spunky (Yes)
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To: FrdmLvr
Military time divides the day into 24 hours as compared to civilian time which divides the day into two 12-hour phases—A.M. and P.M. In military time A.M. hours with single digits begin with “0” as in 01:00 for 1 a.m. “0-Dark-30” or “Zero-Dark-Thirty” is slang meaning early in the morning before sunrise.
31 posted on 01/05/2013 9:39:34 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: oldbill

That’s the first thing that hit me and made up my mind that this would be nonsense.

It’s “Oh” dark thirty.


32 posted on 01/06/2013 2:34:48 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: DesertRhino
"Billy The Kid"

Strange you should mention that. My wife and I visited his grave in New Mexico last October on our way from Santa Fe to Waco.

33 posted on 01/06/2013 3:10:10 AM PST by driftless2
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I prefer “the Buttcrack of Dawn” myself.....


34 posted on 01/06/2013 3:13:44 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Baynative

Obamanazi propaganda


35 posted on 01/06/2013 4:15:35 AM PST by ronnie raygun (Being Breitbart, Concord and Lexington America's first gun grab attempt)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Here’s how it really went down;

http://earloftaint.com/2012/05/12/how-the-gutsiest-president-ever-single-handedly-killed-osama-bin-laden/


36 posted on 01/06/2013 4:54:00 AM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Anyone who believes the movie version OR the CIA reviewer’s version of the “facts” is kidding himself.


37 posted on 01/06/2013 5:32:31 AM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: gaijin

I heard that “Finding Nemo” should be boycotted b/c Ellen Degeneres was one of the voice actors.


38 posted on 01/06/2013 6:09:31 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: xzins

interesting that the picture in the lower right hand corner of the most wanted corkboard looks an awful lot like Osama BIN OBAMA>........a young Barry!


39 posted on 01/06/2013 8:07:18 AM PST by Michigan Bowhunter (Fix Bayonetts!!!!!!! Time to fight!!!!!)
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To: gura

That’s good...

Making them compliant by making them uncomfortable is not torture.

I think that’s called marriage.

With 43 years experience with the same Lady.. I have to agree..


40 posted on 01/06/2013 8:39:01 AM PST by 56newblog (Registered Islamophobe)
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To: FrdmLvr

A real early pre-dawn time, like 4 am, in military speak, “Oh 4 hundred hours” (04:00), or “Oh 4 thirty” (04:30)


41 posted on 01/06/2013 3:49:13 PM PST by oldbill
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To: Cementjungle
I enjoyed the movie

You didn't notice all the Fbombs that were mentioned in the review?

42 posted on 01/06/2013 4:10:57 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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