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America's coming gun war - Pat Buchanan: Most Americans understand the need for arms
WND ^ | January 7, 2013 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 01/08/2013 4:39:08 AM PST by Perseverando

Eight days after the massacre of 20 first-graders at Sandy Hook Elementary, where each child was shot with a Bushmaster .223, The Nation’s Gun Show, the biggest east of the Mississippi, opened.

“A line already snaked around the building shortly after the three-day event began at 3 p.m., and the parking lot was jammed” at the Dulles Expo Center in Chantilly, Va., wrote Justin Jouvenal of the Washington Post:

“With an AK-47 slung over one shoulder, Marco Hernandez offered one word when asked why he was in the overflow crowd at the gun show.”

“Obama,” he said. “I wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for the possible gun ban.”

And this is the story across America since Sandy Hook.

The weapon most in demand at Chantilly?

The AR-15 black rifle, a version of which was used to slaughter the innocents in Newtown. At Chantilly, their price doubled in hours to $1,800. Gun stores have sold out their inventory.

Yet for weeks after Sandy Hook, journalists and politicians from the president to Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who were making the case for a new assault-weapons ban, dominated the airwaves. Those calling for reinstatement of the ban that was in effect from 1994 to 2004 had the national audience almost entirely to themselves.

The National Rifle Association was largely silent. Not until nine days after Newtown did the NRA’s Wayne LaPierre appear on “Meet the Press” to be subjected to hostile interrogation.

Yet, from the record gun sales in December, and 2012 – there were 16.8 million calls to the FBI for background checks for gun purchases last year – the elites have lost the argument with the audience that counts. They have failed to convince those who buy guns.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; ar15; banglist; cw2; cwiiping; guncontrol; gunshows; nra; secondamendment
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1 posted on 01/08/2013 4:39:19 AM PST by Perseverando
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/mark


2 posted on 01/08/2013 4:51:04 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Perseverando

pat buchanan is a moron....


3 posted on 01/08/2013 4:57:24 AM PST by joe fonebone (The clueless... they walk among us, and they vote...)
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To: Perseverando
". . . some key [events] exacerbated the national debate, fraying trust, and national cohesion just a little more each time . . . The two-party system that had governed America . . . began to fall apart . . . interest in politics took the place of all other forms of news-related entertainment . . . politicians were the celebrities . . . [Politics/ideology] was becoming such a habit, the reactions so automatic, that [journalists] taking sides on every news story became inevitable."

.. I just can't avoid thinking about this from for Love & Liberty by Robin Young and it's about 1857 America.

One-hundred-and-fifty years later the discord is


4 posted on 01/08/2013 4:59:56 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: joe fonebone
why do you say that ?
5 posted on 01/08/2013 5:42:19 AM PST by jrd (All federal acts,laws,orders,rules regulations regarding firearms infringe the 2nd)
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To: Perseverando

Governments have murdered 262 million of their own citizens since 1900.*

The overwhelming majority of those democides were perpetrated by Socialists/Communist governments.**

The first step in democide is always gun control.***

Ubama is a rigid Marxist ideologue who promised he would not take our guns before he promised he would.****

Any questions?

*20th Century Democide (http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM)

**COMMUNISM KILLS (http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM)

***DEATH BY GUN CONTROL (http://jpfo.org/filegen-a-m/deathgc.htm)

****FLASHBACK: Obama will NOT take away your guns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JnFyFHHNHZo)


6 posted on 01/08/2013 5:53:31 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

7 posted on 01/08/2013 6:02:05 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Perseverando
Pat Buchanan: Most Americans understand the need for arms

No they don't. Threaten to take away either guns or food stamps and a majority of Americans would choose to give up guns willingly.
8 posted on 01/08/2013 6:18:37 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: mmichaels1970

9 posted on 01/08/2013 6:20:22 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: joe fonebone
pat buchanan is a moron American Patriot!....
10 posted on 01/08/2013 6:24:47 AM PST by Ron H. (America on the fast track to oblivion.)
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To: joe fonebone

No.

Pat Buchanan is quite fluent.

He has an unfortunate tendency toward tiny bits of racial animosity, which run through some of his writing. No more than that exhibited by his opponents and I am darn sick of him taking constant flack over it when those who oppose him are never called on it.

Buchanan is 100% right.

He needs exactly the same treatment as those who oppose him.

He is strongly opinionated and largely right.


11 posted on 01/08/2013 6:26:29 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Perseverando
Coming to an American citizen near you in the near future.....


12 posted on 01/08/2013 6:34:56 AM PST by Ron H. (America on the fast track to oblivion.)
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To: Ron H.

.....And with it, a new revolt.


13 posted on 01/08/2013 7:24:15 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Sadly, we are much more divided then ever and there will come to a time of a “flashpoint”.


14 posted on 01/08/2013 7:25:54 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: joe fonebone

But he tells it just like it is.


15 posted on 01/08/2013 7:26:43 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: joe fonebone

Maybe, but to make that observation on this thread, where Buchanan is dead-on and accurate, is unfortunate.


16 posted on 01/08/2013 7:27:55 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Biggirl

I would like to disagree with you.

Unfortunately, that is not simple to do anymore.


17 posted on 01/08/2013 7:27:54 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

How come?

Explain please.


18 posted on 01/08/2013 7:29:53 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

No sorry I was less than clear.

I mean I agree with you.

Still do not want to, but increasingly it seems unavoidable.


19 posted on 01/08/2013 7:32:22 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

This second civil war/revolt I have been predicting for years now.


20 posted on 01/08/2013 7:35:41 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: joe fonebone
"pat buchanan is a moron...."

You gathered that from an article of Pat's that supports gun owners and supports gun ownership ?

21 posted on 01/08/2013 7:37:37 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: Perseverando; marktwain; Nachum; MestaMachine; Joe Brower; Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; ...

CW2 Ping


22 posted on 01/08/2013 7:42:23 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Perseverando; marktwain; Nachum; MestaMachine; Joe Brower; Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; ...

CW2 Ping


23 posted on 01/08/2013 7:43:29 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Biggirl

Dear Mr. Security Agent: A letter to law enforcement concerning gun control

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2975695/posts

A decade ago I wrote the novel Enemies Foreign and Domestic, a tale about how tragic events involving the misuse of firearms can be used by an evil administration to misinform and mold public opinion to support its malign anti-freedom policies.

No, my novel was not predicting “Operation Fast and Furious” a decade before that covert policy of “pursuing gun control under the radar,” (which was President Obama’s explanation to Sarah Brady for his lack of overt political action). That inter-agency gun-walking policy, remember, resulted in the deaths of over four hundred Mexicans and two U.S. federal agents, murdered in an effort to discredit the Second Amendment and lead to more restrictive gun control laws in America. (If Nixon—or any Republican, for that matter—were in office, the intentional bloodbath would be called Murdergate, but today’s collaborating Woodwards and Bernsteins are in on the cover-up.)


24 posted on 01/08/2013 7:47:01 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: joe fonebone

Let’s stipulate, for the sake of this discussion, that Buchanan is a moron.

What did he write here that is wrong?


25 posted on 01/08/2013 7:54:48 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Biggirl
.....And with it, a new revolt.

Predictable.....

26 posted on 01/08/2013 7:55:47 AM PST by Ron H. (America on the fast track to oblivion.)
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To: Perseverando

27 posted on 01/08/2013 8:05:57 AM PST by TheOldLady
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To: Travis McGee

“Most Americans understand the need for arms”

(And legs as well.)

But seriously, we most assuredly understand the need more and more with each passing day.
I don’t think THEY understand how seriously we take this. I am a Jew. I will NEVER walk into a rhetorical cattlecar or a delousing shower as long as there is a single breath left in my body.


28 posted on 01/08/2013 8:08:21 AM PST by MestaMachine (Sometimes the smartest man in the room is standing in the midst of imbeciles.)
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To: Travis McGee

Congrats, this made it on Ann Barnhardt’s web page.


29 posted on 01/08/2013 8:16:06 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: MestaMachine

I’d rather die on my feet facing the tyrants with a gun in my hands, than on my knees disarmed, with a bullet to the neck from behind like in the photo above at 23.

If those are my choices, I know my choice.


30 posted on 01/08/2013 8:20:00 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: NTHockey

Thanks. It’s getting around, I hope lots of LEOs read it and share it at the cop shops.


31 posted on 01/08/2013 8:21:08 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Perseverando

“...the massacre of 20 first-graders...”

“...a version of which was used to slaughter the innocents in Newtown....”

Wow, they’re really laying it on thick, aren’t they...


32 posted on 01/08/2013 8:30:44 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“...He has an unfortunate tendency toward tiny bits of racial animosity, ...”

There’s nothing “racist” about defending your own culture, heritage, values and society from other hostile races / minorities that are intent on erasing you and taking from you everything your ancestors built, fought, bled, and died for - or, for that matter, voting themselves into the treasury that your culture works to keep filled.

It’s called self-preservation. Buchanan gets it. Read his book “Death of the West” if you haven’t already. Its spot-on.

Other than that small point, I agree with your post 100%.


33 posted on 01/08/2013 8:36:17 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: KeyLargo

What was left out of the movie was when the Nazi guards deserted the camp, the inmates found some old rifles and protected the others till help arrived. They even shot it out with some armed Germans who tried to break in.

Can’t end on a pro-gun note now can they.


34 posted on 01/08/2013 8:39:07 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (GUNS.. the rightful property of freemen, and formidable only to tyrannical governments.”)
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To: Travis McGee
I’d rather die on my feet facing the tyrants with a gun in my hands, than on my knees disarmed,

Bingo.

35 posted on 01/08/2013 9:12:11 AM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back The Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Perseverando

Saw this yesterday via Real Clear Politics Video:

Buchanan: “There Would Be A Revolution” If Government Confiscated Weapons

PAT BUCHANAN: There are three million ArmaLite rifles — those Bushmaster types — out there right now, and people are buying them like hotcakes. Every gun show, the sales are up enormously. Forty-one percent, they were up in December — for last December — which was a record year. John, what is common though, Eleanor [Clift] is correct, the push is going to come on three things: grandfather in the assault weapons that are here now; to try to outlaw assault weapons, outlaw magazines that carry more than 11 or 12 bullets; and also background checks at gun shows.

JOHN MCLAUGHLIN: With no Second Amendment, Congress could pass a law, as limited as this: banning assault rifles or as sweeping as prohibiting all private firearm ownership and requiring the surrender of all privately held firearms.

BUCHANAN: There would be a revolution in this country!

MCLAUGHLIN: Baloney! That doesn’t mean you can’t own one, but you have to put it in first and then go try —

BUCHANAN: There are 270 million guns in this country right now, John, and they’re adding to them at a rate of 16 million a year. (The McLaughlin Group, weekend of January 5, 2013)


36 posted on 01/08/2013 9:12:25 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Perseverando

Pretty powerful picture. That may indeed say a thousand words.


37 posted on 01/08/2013 9:18:28 AM PST by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: Perseverando

I have the luxury of having inherited many guns that were purchased long before there was any reporting or background checks of any kind. No way the government could possibly know I have them. If confiscation becomes a reality, I will just live as a criminal.


38 posted on 01/08/2013 9:26:32 AM PST by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Cringing Negativism Network said: "He has an unfortunate tendency toward tiny bits of racial animosity, ..."

Could you provide an example of this?

39 posted on 01/08/2013 9:54:25 AM PST by William Tell
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To: bayouranger

Hmmmm, looks like time to visit some upcoming shows this year to do my part.


40 posted on 01/08/2013 10:23:27 AM PST by Ron H. (America on the fast track to oblivion.)
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To: IamConservative
No way the government could possibly know I have them

Really? Then how do you propose to ever use them, even in "legitimate" self defense? Doing so and getting discovered would immediately make you a criminal in the eyes of the state. One will be looking at major felony time, multiple felonies if you own multiple weapons or large cap mags. Don't think for a second such draconian penalties won't be applied in any new gun control/confiscation laws if passed. They will gladly lock you up and throw away the key on your troublemaker's body!

Also, one must assume eventually someone will rat you out if they suspect you own an illegal weapon - or even if they are not sure but hold a grudge or seek a reward. How many people right now know you own a weapon? Do you safely trust them all?

In the Soviet Union, every neighborhood and apartment block had their own government informants who were everywhere and would turn even their own mother in for a crust of bread, a reward, or favor from the state.

That's where this all is heading.

41 posted on 01/08/2013 12:35:55 PM PST by Gritty (Local Russians shouldn't compare our Democrat Party with communism.It’s absurd.-D Savino (D-NYSenat)
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To: Travis McGee

Amen to that. I’m not itching for the fight, but if it comes fight I will.


42 posted on 01/08/2013 1:59:55 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks for the ping.


43 posted on 01/08/2013 2:04:42 PM PST by Vor Lady (Everyone should read The Importance of the Electoral College by Geo. Grant)
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To: Travis McGee
Stand Up and be Counted, or line up and be numbered...
44 posted on 01/08/2013 2:51:09 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

That’s a great line!!!

“Stand Up and be Counted, or line up and be numbered!”


45 posted on 01/08/2013 3:19:45 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Chode

46 posted on 01/08/2013 3:22:32 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
can't remember where i found it, but yes it is...
47 posted on 01/08/2013 3:23:45 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Biggirl
This second civil war/revolt I have been predicting for years now.

I have been predicting it since the 70s. It has not happened yet, but I am as convinced as ever, that it will happen. That was one reason I stayed in the military for 20 years. I figured the best place to be during a civil war, was in the military. That is the 64 dollar question. What will the military do during the next civil war?

48 posted on 01/08/2013 3:24:14 PM PST by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: Gritty
Really? Then how do you propose to ever use them, even in "legitimate" self defense? Doing so and getting discovered would immediately make you a criminal in the eyes of the state. One will be looking at major felony time, multiple felonies if you own multiple weapons or large cap mags. Don't think for a second such draconian penalties won't be applied in any new gun control/confiscation laws if passed. They will gladly lock you up and throw away the key on your troublemaker's body!

Maybe you haven't thought this through, quite.

"Major felony time" would mean the rest of my life in prison--no hope of getting out alive. I'm a great grandpa, but if you're younger, what makes you think you would either--I don't care if you're twenty five.

"Prison" would be the equivalent of reeducation/extermination camps, if you recall Obama's mentor Bill Ayres saying they'd probably have to "eliminate about 25 million" people who could not be reeducated.

Nope.

That dog won't hunt.

I would rather die a free man than be a prisoner for the rest of my life.

If the fools push it that far, I'll use them resisting tyranny.

We're not in a situation where we can just hope they'll go away, any more than the old model of just behaving yourself if the plane is hijacked is going to get you home alive.

If the issue is pushed, we're going to have to fight with every fiber of our being, we, too, will have to pledge our lives, fortunes, and sacred honor....or we'll be dead anyway or slaves.

49 posted on 01/08/2013 3:36:11 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Travis McGee
100%
50 posted on 01/08/2013 5:48:43 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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