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Why So Serious? Is Conservative Despair Justified?
PJ Media ^ | 1/8/2013 | Andrew Klavan

Posted on 01/08/2013 8:16:06 AM PST by Lakeshark

So last week, in what was perhaps a moment of madness, I posted a request on my Facebook page: Tell me your political predictions for the year. Among the more restrained answers: “Hyperinflation,” “Civil War,” “financial collapse,” “terribly awful things.”

Optimist though I am, I can’t help feeling there’s something to this downhearted consensus. After living through the most peaceful and prosperous half century that any nation has ever experienced in the history of humankind, it seems impossible to believe we would re-elect a mediocre reactionary out to “fundamentally transform” our success into failure. But we did, and that’s — well, let’s call it “less than cheering.”

On the other hand…

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A not so convincing attempt to cheer us up.

Still, it's a worthwhile read, another step towards some kind of sanity.

Post all your reasons we are doomed here to get rid of them; also, post all of your reasons we can make it and how on this thread as well.

If nothing else, this could be a good way to vent.......

Have at it.

1 posted on 01/08/2013 8:16:09 AM PST by Lakeshark
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To: Lakeshark

I like Andrew Klavan and see him as an eternal optimist. I could sure use one right about now...


2 posted on 01/08/2013 8:18:13 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Lakeshark

“Is Conservative Despair Justified?”

No, because we have God, Guns, and Guts.


3 posted on 01/08/2013 8:18:35 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: onyx; C. Edmund Wright; Servant of the Cross
For your reading amusement. I also came across this interesting quote supposedly from Zig Ziglar:

Fear: Has two meanings:
1. Forget everything and run
or
2. Forget everything and rise

The choice is yours!

4 posted on 01/08/2013 8:20:41 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Lakeshark

I’ve been trying to shake the doom and gloom. It’s hard.

Does one simply stop paying attention? What am I gaining by focusing on what could happen?


5 posted on 01/08/2013 8:22:05 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Lakeshark
A not so convincing attempt to cheer us up.

Why So Serious?

As in the Dark Knight, the good guys win in the end. But there will be much suffering before it happens.

6 posted on 01/08/2013 8:22:42 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Lakeshark
Things, in other words, are almost as bad as they always are.

Exactly. Whether one is feeling down and endeavoring to drag others down, or keeping calm and carrying on, depends much more on the person one is than on anything happening outside the individual.

7 posted on 01/08/2013 8:24:15 AM PST by Tax-chick (Please explain how my being in a fuss would help the situation.)
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To: Lakeshark
Just wait until Br0nc0 makes his SCOTUS picks.

The country went over the cliff in November.

8 posted on 01/08/2013 8:26:58 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: demshateGod
No, because we have God, Guns, and Guts.
Then how did we end up with legal abortion, runaway welfare, taxes up the whazoo, illegals by the tens of millions, 70% illegitimate birthrate, outrageous gun control, school systems that brainwash, same sex marriage .... need I go on?
And all I hear are conservatives talking - like Rush, Hannity, et al - who do nothing BUT talk. Even Glenn Beck has been forced into a hole.
So, if we do have God, Guns, and Guts ... ain't no one using them. This "fiscal cliff" BS we just went through is just another example.
9 posted on 01/08/2013 8:29:16 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Lakeshark
Nothing personal but

I've never been so pessimistic about the future of this nation.

10 posted on 01/08/2013 8:30:40 AM PST by McGruff (No New RINOs!)
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To: Lakeshark

Momentary disappointment is occasionally inevitable. However despair is not an appropriate emotion for a disciple of Christ to wear day-to-day.

(I’m glad you didn’t ask about anger though. :-) I have some issues with THAT one.)


11 posted on 01/08/2013 8:30:40 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Lakeshark
Most conservatives and it would appear at least a large plurality of freepers still are unaware of what they are facing.

A demographic avalanche of progressive voters wanting handouts and minority preference and payback for every reason imaginable and there is not enough of the majority demographic of any kind to stop them unless the majority demographic moves right.

We cannot pick off enough minority votes to matter.

Every minority of any sort votes leftist now by at least 2/3rds including many like Orientals and Jews who are for the most part well off.

it is not just a class struggle

it is war on what is perceived by many as a white, heartland, gun owning, Christian, marrying and baby having majority the progressives despise and want to diminish

I thought we could hold out a few more elections but a weak candidate like Romney and his defensive campaign against Obama accelerated the inevitable

baring cataclysm or a 5-10% shift amongst white voters in PA, OH, VA, FL , CO, NV and MN, it's over as we know it

or a super turnout of conservatives accompanied by a low minority and white liberal turnout...not likely..kind of a paradox

12 posted on 01/08/2013 8:37:06 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Lakeshark
Look, I’m not exactly sanguine. Our republic has gone past the 200-year limit for republics.

I like AK a lot, but I'm unaware of any limit on a republic's life that is justified by history.

13 posted on 01/08/2013 8:38:39 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Lakeshark; onyx; Servant of the Cross

LS it’s interesting you bring up Zig, whose work has had tremendous impact in my life. I have wondered these last weeks if Obama’s re-election killed Zig.

Zig was an optimist, but his optimism was based on two foundations: his faith in God, and his faith in America. He was a master at how to keep positive and achieve success even in a “down economy.” But Zig, as one of the few motivational guru’s who’s work is based in foundational truth, had to know that America as he has known is perhaps no more. He had to know, deep in his bones, that this rips the secondary foundation out from all of his motivational teachings.

I think it hastened his death, which allows Zig now to move on to the ultimate truth, which was his primary foundation.

Just thoughts I’ve been having about Zig for several weeks now....


14 posted on 01/08/2013 8:42:45 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Lakeshark
Mike in East Texas..

..listen to Mike all the way thru...also, an "oldie but goodie"...

It's Time to Part Company

15 posted on 01/08/2013 8:48:21 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance........)
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To: wardaddy
Our "situation" has been predicted time after time over the past years...and they all had the same outcome...dictatorship and tyranny......when it is discovered that people can vote themselves largess from the public treasury, its all over.......and it always ends in tyranny.

Listen to Mike in East Texas from last Monday Morning:

Mike in East Texas

16 posted on 01/08/2013 9:06:49 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance........)
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To: McGruff
"I've never been so pessimistic about the future of this nation."

Likewise. One only needs to look at the voting statistics from the last election, read a few liberal blogs or listen to progressive radio a bit and then listen to Obama himself.

Conclusion: this isn't going to be pretty. I'd say it isn't going to end well and that may not be the case. However, it is most likely going to get much worse before it gets better.

I pray for America and ask God to bless and protect great people like Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Marco Rubio, and Sarah Palin. They give me hope.

17 posted on 01/08/2013 9:10:38 AM PST by Baynative (Those that work for a living are now outnumbered by those that vote for a living.)
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To: Lakeshark

The end of the Cold War untethered the nutball wing of the Dem party and they now control it. The more “moderate” careerist Dem types moved under the GOP tent and here we are.

With amnesty on the horizon and a GOP unwilling to fight like dems I don’t see a happy ending, unfortunately.


18 posted on 01/08/2013 9:12:16 AM PST by lodi90
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To: wardaddy

The sad reality is that we are a very badly divided country.


19 posted on 01/08/2013 9:14:23 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Lakeshark

That is why this country is now new Christian missionary terrority.


20 posted on 01/08/2013 9:16:41 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl

Yes, Parents and Children. Parents provide, and Children consume.

Spare the rod and spoil the child.


21 posted on 01/08/2013 9:20:23 AM PST by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: Lakeshark

The best reason for optimism I can think of is that our way has never been really tried.

Even Reagan had to deal with Tip O’Neill. Bush had a Republican Congress but not the political will to do what had to be done.

The rest of Baraq I’s reign will be ugly. But I have to believe that if we ever get a chance to govern again, we’ll be proven right. If not ... well, maybe the next country will be better.


22 posted on 01/08/2013 9:20:34 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: oh8eleven

We’re still too comfortable. Someone on FR posted a line from the Declaration of Ind that I must have glanced over: Something to the affect of “good people will put up with a lot before springing into action.” As long as we have guns we can put up with a lot. We still have good food, comfy beds, go to church wherever and whenever we want, homeschool, etc. We still have it pretty good. Once the come for the guns, everything is off the table: we will never be able to right the ship.


23 posted on 01/08/2013 9:20:37 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Lakeshark
Forget everything and rise!

Despair is not an option!

The power of hitting rock bottom: Inspiration and Desperation Can Motivate

Romney was weak, not conservative, and uninspiring. He ran a terrible campaign. And despite this, JUST 333,000 VOTES IN 4 SWING STATES WOULD HAVE GIVEN ROMNEY THE PRESIDENCY (perhaps the trending WhatHappenedToMyPaycheck has already switched 333,000 ignorant votes)

3. Reality is on our side.

This is Klavin's point that mostly covers it for me. The current path is unsustainable. Eventually it will all come apart even if the blind low information American voters don't right the ship themselves with a 'do-over' in 2014.

While I still retain some optimism for the continuation of America post-0bama, my main optimism is beyond this realm. The earthly world is not our home. Have an eternal perspective and this earthly 'blip of time' seems not so serious.

24 posted on 01/08/2013 9:23:35 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Lakeshark

I can’t help but grieve for the cost of this Obamanation. An expense we will have to bear until that day (and long after) we can yank the reins from the hands of the imbecile fraudulently acquiesced to the leadership position of the most powerful Nation this World has ever known.

Such a waste.


25 posted on 01/08/2013 9:27:33 AM PST by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: oh8eleven

Also, all the things you mentioned affects us, and all of it is interrelated, I disagree with the writer when he says they’re not connected. But those things don’t greatly hinder us from doing the things we REALLY want to do.


26 posted on 01/08/2013 9:29:26 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

The current path is unsustainable.


We are nowhere near European levels of taxation. Unfortunately, it is sustainable for quite some time.


27 posted on 01/08/2013 9:38:09 AM PST by lodi90
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To: Lakeshark
Where Are We Now?
28 posted on 01/08/2013 9:46:52 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper
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To: Lakeshark

I’d have to place THE MEDIA at the top of the list of reasons we are screwed. It is 100% Alinsky all the time. Propaganda was a useful tool for the Nazis and communists and is likewise useful for the ‘rats. Sure, Reagan faced a hostile media, but they were not as brazen then in their bias as they now are. They are basically free airtime for ‘rats 24/7.


29 posted on 01/08/2013 9:53:14 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Servant of the Cross; C. Edmund Wright; onyx; rockrr; demshateGod; listenhillary; Tax-chick; ...
Agreed, despair is not an option! But I still have to fight it every day now, much like Zig......

One of the positives in the article was about fracking. I learned about this miracle last winter, Klavan does not do it justice with his small paragraph. Think about this: In spite of the insane energy/green policies of this administration, we as a nation are likely to be totally energy independent by the year 2017, all because of this non governmental process of fracking. We've talked about this since Carter, and in spite of all the nonsenes it's about to happen. In the midst of economic ruin, we are being given a gift of monumental proportion, and it's still under the radar. It's a gift to begin to rebuild an economy with, God's sense of humor is working overtime here.

The other thing he forgot to mention: the power of prayer, the power of God, and that in light of the story of Elijah. This guy ran away, depressed, totally giving up, totally down and out, totally blown away with his own incapacity, simply asking to die. Is this a story for us right now? Have we, like Elijah, simply forgotten?

30 posted on 01/08/2013 10:00:23 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Lakeshark

“A new generation is already on the rise that understands entitlements are unsustainable and that freedom works.”

There is some truth in that.

Still, IMO the only thing that will kill Versailles on the Potomac is the same thing that killed the Politburo. Sovereign bankruptcy, and desertion by the rough men with guns. At that point, I can see elected officials trying to flee the nation in disguise.


31 posted on 01/08/2013 10:04:07 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: Lakeshark

“A not so convincing attempt to cheer us up.”

The article misses the point - at least for me.

Establishment republicans jettisoned their principles to run what was essentially a democrat pretending to be a republican. The republican’s betrayal of conservatism is the cause of my dispair.

I registered out of the party in the 90’s because the republicans lied then, but I always had hope that conservatism would prevail. This election crushed all hopes of that. I didn’t vote for their pretender and will never do so. I’m 100% done with lying republicans.


32 posted on 01/08/2013 10:05:28 AM PST by Owl558 ("Those who remember George Satayana are doomed to repeat him")
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To: Lakeshark

Inflation is almost inevitable. Deflation possible. Probably not because Fed/Gov. fear deflation more than anything. Trouble is their tools to prevent deflation are few at best. Hyperinflation possible but less than 50% chance.

Continued recession? Inevitable. Will get more severe.

All bets off if major world event occurs: war in ME, Iran or NKoreans doing something suicidal...etc.

Best reads available - all 3 chart what has happened in history when governments have been in the very situation we are now in (all include some history before Christ):

Endgame - John Mauldin
Hyperinflation & Deflation - John T. Reed

For the truly intellectual:

This Time Is Different - Eight Centuries of Financial Folly - Reinhart & Rogoff


33 posted on 01/08/2013 10:06:10 AM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: Lakeshark

>> in light of the story of Elijah.. Is this a story for us right now?

In general, “all scripture... is profitable” — but IMHO your calling to mind Elijah is right on the money, and I’m grateful to be reminded of how the LORD worked through him.


34 posted on 01/08/2013 10:06:44 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

“But I have to believe that if we ever get a chance to govern again, we’ll be proven right. If not ... well, maybe the next country will be better.”

I agree with you. Whether we improve will depend on what emerges as the ‘next country’, or countries.

A post-United States America has good odds of recovery and excellence.

A post-America United States will be more soulless and suffocating than the Soviet Union.


35 posted on 01/08/2013 10:11:04 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: wardaddy
baring cataclysm or a 5-10% shift amongst white voters in PA, OH, VA, FL , CO, NV and MN, it's over as we know it

We can't win a national election again for a while, if ever.

But they have to rule. Which means they have to endure the mockery that comes with their stupid policies. Which means w,e in turn, have an obligation to laugh at their incompetent idiocy loudly, publicly, and at every opportunity.

The Gentlemanly GWB GOP has been destroyed, as it deserved. Truth and ridicule are our weapons, now. Let's start using them, and stop treating Obama and the Left with reverent horror. They are dumbass grifters who are in over their heads. Let's start showing that to America, and see what happens.

36 posted on 01/08/2013 10:11:43 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Lakeshark
totally energy independent by the year 2017

A very good thing, but will not accomplish as much as many people think.

Oil prices, and therefore gasoline prices, are determined by the world market, not the US market. Since nat gas is usually distributed by pipeline, it's somewhat isolated from world energy prices.

So while producing all our oil in North America doesn't necessarily mean gasoline prices will go down, it does mean OPEC can't turn off the tap.

37 posted on 01/08/2013 10:12:58 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Psalm 144

’ “A new generation is already on the rise that understands entitlements are unsustainable and that freedom works.”

There is some truth in that.’

SOME, but the problem is that in the generations brainwashed for 16 or more years by our Marxist/gov. educators, this new generation to which you refer is a small minority, and vastly outnumbered by those who believe in Santa government and their entitlements......


38 posted on 01/08/2013 10:13:05 AM PST by Arlis (.)
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To: Owl558

“The article misses the point - at least for me.

Establishment republicans jettisoned their principles to run what was essentially a democrat pretending to be a republican.”

I don’t even consider them at this point. They are merely the Menshevik also-rans to the Bolshevik victors.

Except as a continuing drain for conservative and libertarian money, votes, and enthusiasm, the Geriatric Old Plotters are irrelevant.

We need a second party.


39 posted on 01/08/2013 10:16:23 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Capitol to the districts: "May the odds be ever in your favor.")
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To: lodi90
We are nowhere near European levels of taxation.

Actually, that's not true.

Total government spending is actually considerably higher in US than in many European countries, including UK and France.

40 posted on 01/08/2013 10:16:29 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Lakeshark

Fracking, and the entire energy boom, is one reason why I thought Newt was instructive during the primary season. He was far far ahead of the rest of the field on how important energy was.

The irony will be if Obama and democrats benefit electorally for a technology they hate.

Having said that, energy is not an issue, it is not even THE issue...ENERGY IS EVERY SINGLE ISSUE.


41 posted on 01/08/2013 10:19:45 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Owl558

You make a great point, and it is the thing that tends to depress me, even when I conjure up reasons to almost be optimistic....


42 posted on 01/08/2013 10:19:59 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Lakeshark
Most presidencies unravel in the last years. It's hard to think Obama would be an exception.

After the midterm elections, the 2016 campaign starts and the focus and attention is off Obama (which would really upset him, I'm sure).

So is Obama going to cancel the elections and declare himself President-For-Life?

Somebody or other says that about every president, but it never happens.

Ex-Presidents get what they want without the headaches of actually running anything.

43 posted on 01/08/2013 10:24:23 AM PST by x
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To: Sherman Logan
Actually, it will be a huge boon, likely producing a huge boom. Heck, you can get a job in the Dakotas as a greeter for over 15$ an hour right now, it's beyond insane there.

It will help drive world energy prices down, it will begin to neuter the middle east as energy king, disenfranchise the new muslim brotherhood nations, and begin to transform our economy into gas driven rather than oil driven. It's carbon neutral to boot, so the greens are (for the moment) neutralized! That's a huge change, one that will bring new industry, the car companies are all racing to develop this new resource under the radar, competing with each other to the first and best. They are shipping this overseas as well, by tankers.

Trust me, I understand that if anyone could f this up, it's our current administration, but this is for real, and it's not going away.

44 posted on 01/08/2013 10:31:27 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Arlis
The problem is not that there are not millions who do, in fact, understand what has been happening; nor, even the greater numbers, brainwashed as you suggest. The problem is that so few are willing to actually articulate reality--too few, willing to brave the "politically correct" slanders, heaped on anyone who articulates the obvious fallacies on which the Left depends.

As long as we allow "Conservative" pretenders to promote absurdities, as the "No Child Left Behind" Federal intrusion into education; or support the Federal intrusion into the physician/patient relationship; or the idiocy of an immigration policy, based upon the implied premise that the peoples of the earth are interchangeable, we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot, and frustrate the possibility of a broader public awakening.

No one reading this ever sat in a class-room with his or her equal on either side--unless it was your identical twin or triplet. The reality is, and everyone really knows this sub-consciously, that we are all different; that Collectivist/Egalitarianism Sabotages Human Potential. We need to give far more utterance to the reality for which the Left has absolutely no answer but to smear & villify. (It has always been their Achiles' Heel; which is why they go beserk when anyone discusses it,)

William Flax

45 posted on 01/08/2013 10:32:50 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Lakeshark
The greatest benefit will not be from US oil shale, but from that found all over the world.

If each continent were energy self-sufficient, the price of energy is likely to stabilize, although probably not go down a great deal, since the new methods inherently have a higher cost of production.

What it will do is neuter the Arabs. Their power came from their potential ability to shut the oil off, not so much because of the high prices.

It's carbon neutral to boot, so the greens are (for the moment) neutralized!

Nope, it isn't. Nat gas is lower carbon not carbon neutral. It releases roughly 50% the carbon of oil or coal, as I understand it, for an equivalent amount of energy.

46 posted on 01/08/2013 10:36:20 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: C. Edmund Wright
Newt gets it, Palin gets it, a few others get it; the issue is not going away, the horse is out of the barn, it's the underpinning of a new boom that we don't see yet.

I do fear that Bambi will get credit for this, being as our messaging is so bad (as conservatives) and the media is going to say it was Bambi's wonderful policies.

On the other hand, it's a great opportunity, Bambi and the dems are actually a lot more stupid than we give them credit for, so anything can happen, yes?

47 posted on 01/08/2013 10:37:30 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: Lakeshark

I similarly heard about fracking last winter. A guy I know blamed the earthquakes in Oklahoma on fracking. LOL. Could you imagine if it caused earthquakes. That would be awesome. That 5.6 we had was really cool.


48 posted on 01/08/2013 10:40:33 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Sherman Logan
The benefit will go everywhere they decide not to ban fracking (I believe one or two of the stupid countries in Europe have banned it). The benefit will be here first, and it is huge.

Sorry, poor choice of words, not carbon neutral, but approaches it better than any other source of viable energy. My understanding is less than 50% carbon emissions of the cleanest oil burning technologies. I don't believe the carbon garbage in the slightest, but it takes away much of the watermelon argument against it as an energy source.

49 posted on 01/08/2013 10:43:55 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: demshateGod
A guy I know blamed the earthquakes in Oklahoma on fracking. LOL

Sort of like Guam tipping over.....

:-)

50 posted on 01/08/2013 10:48:46 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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