Skip to comments.Why So Serious? Is Conservative Despair Justified?
Posted on 01/08/2013 8:16:06 AM PST by Lakeshark
So last week, in what was perhaps a moment of madness, I posted a request on my Facebook page: Tell me your political predictions for the year. Among the more restrained answers: Hyperinflation, Civil War, financial collapse, terribly awful things.
Optimist though I am, I cant help feeling theres something to this downhearted consensus. After living through the most peaceful and prosperous half century that any nation has ever experienced in the history of humankind, it seems impossible to believe we would re-elect a mediocre reactionary out to fundamentally transform our success into failure. But we did, and thats well, lets call it less than cheering.
On the other hand
(Excerpt) Read more at pjmedia.com ...
Still, it's a worthwhile read, another step towards some kind of sanity.
Post all your reasons we are doomed here to get rid of them; also, post all of your reasons we can make it and how on this thread as well.
If nothing else, this could be a good way to vent.......
Have at it.
I like Andrew Klavan and see him as an eternal optimist. I could sure use one right about now...
“Is Conservative Despair Justified?”
No, because we have God, Guns, and Guts.
Fear: Has two meanings:
1. Forget everything and run
2. Forget everything and rise
The choice is yours!
I’ve been trying to shake the doom and gloom. It’s hard.
Does one simply stop paying attention? What am I gaining by focusing on what could happen?
Why So Serious?
As in the Dark Knight, the good guys win in the end. But there will be much suffering before it happens.
Exactly. Whether one is feeling down and endeavoring to drag others down, or keeping calm and carrying on, depends much more on the person one is than on anything happening outside the individual.
The country went over the cliff in November.
I've never been so pessimistic about the future of this nation.
Momentary disappointment is occasionally inevitable. However despair is not an appropriate emotion for a disciple of Christ to wear day-to-day.
(I’m glad you didn’t ask about anger though. :-) I have some issues with THAT one.)
A demographic avalanche of progressive voters wanting handouts and minority preference and payback for every reason imaginable and there is not enough of the majority demographic of any kind to stop them unless the majority demographic moves right.
We cannot pick off enough minority votes to matter.
Every minority of any sort votes leftist now by at least 2/3rds including many like Orientals and Jews who are for the most part well off.
it is not just a class struggle
it is war on what is perceived by many as a white, heartland, gun owning, Christian, marrying and baby having majority the progressives despise and want to diminish
I thought we could hold out a few more elections but a weak candidate like Romney and his defensive campaign against Obama accelerated the inevitable
baring cataclysm or a 5-10% shift amongst white voters in PA, OH, VA, FL , CO, NV and MN, it's over as we know it
or a super turnout of conservatives accompanied by a low minority and white liberal turnout...not likely..kind of a paradox
I like AK a lot, but I'm unaware of any limit on a republic's life that is justified by history.
LS it’s interesting you bring up Zig, whose work has had tremendous impact in my life. I have wondered these last weeks if Obama’s re-election killed Zig.
Zig was an optimist, but his optimism was based on two foundations: his faith in God, and his faith in America. He was a master at how to keep positive and achieve success even in a “down economy.” But Zig, as one of the few motivational guru’s who’s work is based in foundational truth, had to know that America as he has known is perhaps no more. He had to know, deep in his bones, that this rips the secondary foundation out from all of his motivational teachings.
I think it hastened his death, which allows Zig now to move on to the ultimate truth, which was his primary foundation.
Just thoughts I’ve been having about Zig for several weeks now....
..listen to Mike all the way thru...also, an "oldie but goodie"...
Listen to Mike in East Texas from last Monday Morning:
Likewise. One only needs to look at the voting statistics from the last election, read a few liberal blogs or listen to progressive radio a bit and then listen to Obama himself.
Conclusion: this isn't going to be pretty. I'd say it isn't going to end well and that may not be the case. However, it is most likely going to get much worse before it gets better.
I pray for America and ask God to bless and protect great people like Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Marco Rubio, and Sarah Palin. They give me hope.
The end of the Cold War untethered the nutball wing of the Dem party and they now control it. The more “moderate” careerist Dem types moved under the GOP tent and here we are.
With amnesty on the horizon and a GOP unwilling to fight like dems I don’t see a happy ending, unfortunately.
The sad reality is that we are a very badly divided country.
That is why this country is now new Christian missionary terrority.
Yes, Parents and Children. Parents provide, and Children consume.
Spare the rod and spoil the child.
The best reason for optimism I can think of is that our way has never been really tried.
Even Reagan had to deal with Tip O’Neill. Bush had a Republican Congress but not the political will to do what had to be done.
The rest of Baraq I’s reign will be ugly. But I have to believe that if we ever get a chance to govern again, we’ll be proven right. If not ... well, maybe the next country will be better.
We’re still too comfortable. Someone on FR posted a line from the Declaration of Ind that I must have glanced over: Something to the affect of “good people will put up with a lot before springing into action.” As long as we have guns we can put up with a lot. We still have good food, comfy beds, go to church wherever and whenever we want, homeschool, etc. We still have it pretty good. Once the come for the guns, everything is off the table: we will never be able to right the ship.
Despair is not an option!
Romney was weak, not conservative, and uninspiring. He ran a terrible campaign. And despite this, JUST 333,000 VOTES IN 4 SWING STATES WOULD HAVE GIVEN ROMNEY THE PRESIDENCY (perhaps the trending WhatHappenedToMyPaycheck has already switched 333,000 ignorant votes)
3. Reality is on our side.
This is Klavin's point that mostly covers it for me. The current path is unsustainable. Eventually it will all come apart even if the blind low information American voters don't right the ship themselves with a 'do-over' in 2014.
While I still retain some optimism for the continuation of America post-0bama, my main optimism is beyond this realm. The earthly world is not our home. Have an eternal perspective and this earthly 'blip of time' seems not so serious.
I can’t help but grieve for the cost of this Obamanation. An expense we will have to bear until that day (and long after) we can yank the reins from the hands of the imbecile fraudulently acquiesced to the leadership position of the most powerful Nation this World has ever known.
Such a waste.
Also, all the things you mentioned affects us, and all of it is interrelated, I disagree with the writer when he says they’re not connected. But those things don’t greatly hinder us from doing the things we REALLY want to do.
The current path is unsustainable.
We are nowhere near European levels of taxation. Unfortunately, it is sustainable for quite some time.
I’d have to place THE MEDIA at the top of the list of reasons we are screwed. It is 100% Alinsky all the time. Propaganda was a useful tool for the Nazis and communists and is likewise useful for the ‘rats. Sure, Reagan faced a hostile media, but they were not as brazen then in their bias as they now are. They are basically free airtime for ‘rats 24/7.
One of the positives in the article was about fracking. I learned about this miracle last winter, Klavan does not do it justice with his small paragraph. Think about this: In spite of the insane energy/green policies of this administration, we as a nation are likely to be totally energy independent by the year 2017, all because of this non governmental process of fracking. We've talked about this since Carter, and in spite of all the nonsenes it's about to happen. In the midst of economic ruin, we are being given a gift of monumental proportion, and it's still under the radar. It's a gift to begin to rebuild an economy with, God's sense of humor is working overtime here.
The other thing he forgot to mention: the power of prayer, the power of God, and that in light of the story of Elijah. This guy ran away, depressed, totally giving up, totally down and out, totally blown away with his own incapacity, simply asking to die. Is this a story for us right now? Have we, like Elijah, simply forgotten?
“A new generation is already on the rise that understands entitlements are unsustainable and that freedom works.”
There is some truth in that.
Still, IMO the only thing that will kill Versailles on the Potomac is the same thing that killed the Politburo. Sovereign bankruptcy, and desertion by the rough men with guns. At that point, I can see elected officials trying to flee the nation in disguise.
“A not so convincing attempt to cheer us up.”
The article misses the point - at least for me.
Establishment republicans jettisoned their principles to run what was essentially a democrat pretending to be a republican. The republican’s betrayal of conservatism is the cause of my dispair.
I registered out of the party in the 90’s because the republicans lied then, but I always had hope that conservatism would prevail. This election crushed all hopes of that. I didn’t vote for their pretender and will never do so. I’m 100% done with lying republicans.
Inflation is almost inevitable. Deflation possible. Probably not because Fed/Gov. fear deflation more than anything. Trouble is their tools to prevent deflation are few at best. Hyperinflation possible but less than 50% chance.
Continued recession? Inevitable. Will get more severe.
All bets off if major world event occurs: war in ME, Iran or NKoreans doing something suicidal...etc.
Best reads available - all 3 chart what has happened in history when governments have been in the very situation we are now in (all include some history before Christ):
Endgame - John Mauldin
Hyperinflation & Deflation - John T. Reed
For the truly intellectual:
This Time Is Different - Eight Centuries of Financial Folly - Reinhart & Rogoff
>> in light of the story of Elijah.. Is this a story for us right now?
In general, “all scripture... is profitable” — but IMHO your calling to mind Elijah is right on the money, and I’m grateful to be reminded of how the LORD worked through him.
“But I have to believe that if we ever get a chance to govern again, well be proven right. If not ... well, maybe the next country will be better.”
I agree with you. Whether we improve will depend on what emerges as the ‘next country’, or countries.
A post-United States America has good odds of recovery and excellence.
A post-America United States will be more soulless and suffocating than the Soviet Union.
We can't win a national election again for a while, if ever.
But they have to rule. Which means they have to endure the mockery that comes with their stupid policies. Which means w,e in turn, have an obligation to laugh at their incompetent idiocy loudly, publicly, and at every opportunity.
The Gentlemanly GWB GOP has been destroyed, as it deserved. Truth and ridicule are our weapons, now. Let's start using them, and stop treating Obama and the Left with reverent horror. They are dumbass grifters who are in over their heads. Let's start showing that to America, and see what happens.
A very good thing, but will not accomplish as much as many people think.
Oil prices, and therefore gasoline prices, are determined by the world market, not the US market. Since nat gas is usually distributed by pipeline, it's somewhat isolated from world energy prices.
So while producing all our oil in North America doesn't necessarily mean gasoline prices will go down, it does mean OPEC can't turn off the tap.
’ A new generation is already on the rise that understands entitlements are unsustainable and that freedom works.
There is some truth in that.’
SOME, but the problem is that in the generations brainwashed for 16 or more years by our Marxist/gov. educators, this new generation to which you refer is a small minority, and vastly outnumbered by those who believe in Santa government and their entitlements......
“The article misses the point - at least for me.
Establishment republicans jettisoned their principles to run what was essentially a democrat pretending to be a republican.”
I don’t even consider them at this point. They are merely the Menshevik also-rans to the Bolshevik victors.
Except as a continuing drain for conservative and libertarian money, votes, and enthusiasm, the Geriatric Old Plotters are irrelevant.
We need a second party.
Actually, that's not true.
Total government spending is actually considerably higher in US than in many European countries, including UK and France.
Fracking, and the entire energy boom, is one reason why I thought Newt was instructive during the primary season. He was far far ahead of the rest of the field on how important energy was.
The irony will be if Obama and democrats benefit electorally for a technology they hate.
Having said that, energy is not an issue, it is not even THE issue...ENERGY IS EVERY SINGLE ISSUE.
You make a great point, and it is the thing that tends to depress me, even when I conjure up reasons to almost be optimistic....
After the midterm elections, the 2016 campaign starts and the focus and attention is off Obama (which would really upset him, I'm sure).
So is Obama going to cancel the elections and declare himself President-For-Life?
Somebody or other says that about every president, but it never happens.
Ex-Presidents get what they want without the headaches of actually running anything.
It will help drive world energy prices down, it will begin to neuter the middle east as energy king, disenfranchise the new muslim brotherhood nations, and begin to transform our economy into gas driven rather than oil driven. It's carbon neutral to boot, so the greens are (for the moment) neutralized! That's a huge change, one that will bring new industry, the car companies are all racing to develop this new resource under the radar, competing with each other to the first and best. They are shipping this overseas as well, by tankers.
Trust me, I understand that if anyone could f this up, it's our current administration, but this is for real, and it's not going away.
As long as we allow "Conservative" pretenders to promote absurdities, as the "No Child Left Behind" Federal intrusion into education; or support the Federal intrusion into the physician/patient relationship; or the idiocy of an immigration policy, based upon the implied premise that the peoples of the earth are interchangeable, we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot, and frustrate the possibility of a broader public awakening.
No one reading this ever sat in a class-room with his or her equal on either side--unless it was your identical twin or triplet. The reality is, and everyone really knows this sub-consciously, that we are all different; that Collectivist/Egalitarianism Sabotages Human Potential. We need to give far more utterance to the reality for which the Left has absolutely no answer but to smear & villify. (It has always been their Achiles' Heel; which is why they go beserk when anyone discusses it,)
If each continent were energy self-sufficient, the price of energy is likely to stabilize, although probably not go down a great deal, since the new methods inherently have a higher cost of production.
What it will do is neuter the Arabs. Their power came from their potential ability to shut the oil off, not so much because of the high prices.
It's carbon neutral to boot, so the greens are (for the moment) neutralized!
Nope, it isn't. Nat gas is lower carbon not carbon neutral. It releases roughly 50% the carbon of oil or coal, as I understand it, for an equivalent amount of energy.
I do fear that Bambi will get credit for this, being as our messaging is so bad (as conservatives) and the media is going to say it was Bambi's wonderful policies.
On the other hand, it's a great opportunity, Bambi and the dems are actually a lot more stupid than we give them credit for, so anything can happen, yes?
I similarly heard about fracking last winter. A guy I know blamed the earthquakes in Oklahoma on fracking. LOL. Could you imagine if it caused earthquakes. That would be awesome. That 5.6 we had was really cool.
Sorry, poor choice of words, not carbon neutral, but approaches it better than any other source of viable energy. My understanding is less than 50% carbon emissions of the cleanest oil burning technologies. I don't believe the carbon garbage in the slightest, but it takes away much of the watermelon argument against it as an energy source.
Sort of like Guam tipping over.....