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Biden butts heads with NRA in gun violence drive
Reuters ^ | January 10, 2013 | Steve Holland

Posted on 01/10/2013 3:49:40 PM PST by Zakeet

Vice President Joe Biden butted heads with the powerful National Rifle Association on Thursday in his drive to reduce U.S. gun violence, drawing complaints from the lobby group that the White House is trying to limit constitutionally protected gun rights.

Biden sat down for about an hour and a half of talks with an NRA representative and officials from other gun owners' groups after telling reporters he is likely to recommend background checks for all gun buyers and a ban on high-capacity ammunition clips.

"It is unfortunate that this administration continues to insist on pushing failed solutions to our nation's most pressing problems. We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and madmen," the NRA said in a statement after the meeting.

[Snip]

The vice president's office had no substantive reaction to the NRA statement, which was issued less than an hour after the talks ended.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2ndamendment; banglist; biden; guncontrol; guns; nra; secondamendment

I'm a butt head ...

1 posted on 01/10/2013 3:49:48 PM PST by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

"The Constitution? It means NOTHING to us."

2 posted on 01/10/2013 3:51:52 PM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: Zakeet

https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=fGaDAThOHhA


3 posted on 01/10/2013 3:52:49 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Zakeet

change title from
Biden butts heads with NRA in gun violence drive to
Biden is a butthead with NRA in gun control drive.


4 posted on 01/10/2013 3:55:54 PM PST by bravo whiskey (“People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.”)
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To: Zakeet
So, Biden now probably has a new hole in his head.

Too bad there is noting in there to damage and make him STFU.

5 posted on 01/10/2013 3:59:47 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Zakeet

“Biden sat down for about an hour and a half of talks with an NRA representative and officials from other gun owners’ groups after telling reporters he is likely to recommend background checks for all gun buyers”

Background checks on gun buyers but NO Background Check on the Kenyan POS!! grrrr


6 posted on 01/10/2013 4:00:02 PM PST by Patriot Babe
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To: bravo whiskey

Notice how the media has obeyed Obama’s order to stop using the phrase “gun control” and start using the phrase “gun violence”.


7 posted on 01/10/2013 4:00:21 PM PST by altsehastiin
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To: Zakeet

My question is, why isn’t Biden in jail yet?


8 posted on 01/10/2013 4:01:11 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Impeach Obama Now.)
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To: Zakeet
...likely to recommend background checks for all gun buyers and a ban on high-capacity ammunition clips.

I'm sure that's just the tip of the iceberg... but meanwhile, the molten plastic is flowing like a river at the Magpul factory.

9 posted on 01/10/2013 4:05:30 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: altsehastiin
Notice how the media has obeyed Obama’s order to stop using the phrase “gun control” and start using the phrase “gun violence”.

That's the JournoList gang tweaking the message.

10 posted on 01/10/2013 4:07:52 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Zakeet

“Biden butts heads with NRA in gun violence drive.”

butt head, head butts...just shows smiling Joe doesn’t know the difference between his head and his arse.

And this chuckle bum is 2nd in line to obummer. I must be living in a Cheech and Chong movie...


11 posted on 01/10/2013 4:10:38 PM PST by sassy steel magnolia
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To: Diogenesis
—>>The Constitution? It means NOTHING to us.”

You made the best comment. I feel like we have the children making up the rules for the grown ups. What is right is wrong and the bad of society seems to be the cool. Biden’s political career was once a goner, I recall and now he is right back in the thick of more gun control. The times that we live in are almost a redo of these same agenda driven politicians. To the NRA and all gun advocacy groups: Remain focused on our 2nd amendment right, that's it.

12 posted on 01/10/2013 4:11:05 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: Zakeet

Amendments I, III, IV, V IX and X are all but distant memories.

There was a time when II preserved the others. Sadly, we gave away all of them — it was just a question of time before II was tossed on the stack of Leftist Fascism.


13 posted on 01/10/2013 4:16:17 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: Zakeet

With all of the jackasses we have living in this country, I wonder why the Kowardly Anti-American Kenyan picked the dumbest jackass on the planet to do this.


14 posted on 01/10/2013 4:22:18 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Impeach Obama Now.)
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To: Zakeet
It occurs to me that no matter the legislation, 3D printing is going to make gun manufacturing impossible to control.
15 posted on 01/10/2013 4:31:20 PM PST by Tex-Con-Man (<-------currently working through post-election anger issues.)
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To: Zakeet
Biden butt head



16 posted on 01/10/2013 4:34:31 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Charles Martel

The only way to enforce the background check on private sales is to establish gun registration. Otherwise, it’s not inforceable.


17 posted on 01/10/2013 4:36:18 PM PST by DugwayDuke
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To: Zakeet

If the NRA hadn’t spent Decades selling the line that:

“We don’t need any new gun laws. All we need to do is ENFORCE THE EXISTING GUN LAWS”. This wouldn’t be happening.

They Should have been working for Repeal of those existing pieces of Infringing garbage instead of slacking off to duck the heat from the MSM.

But, I suppose, we should be happy that Zero sent them the Vice Idiot as a verbal punching bag.

How difficult is it going to be, with the NRA talking Biden around in circles?


18 posted on 01/10/2013 4:44:08 PM PST by To-Whose-Benefit? (It is Error alone which needs the support of Government. The Truth can stand by itself.)
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To: Zakeet

I don’t see how universal background checks can be done the way the administration would like them to be done without registering all weapons in the first place. Otherwise, it would be an honor system.


19 posted on 01/10/2013 4:46:21 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: DugwayDuke

Ah, you beat me to it. :)


20 posted on 01/10/2013 4:47:38 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: andyk

It can’t - ergo universal registration is part of the agenda.


21 posted on 01/10/2013 4:55:16 PM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: Zakeet

“Biden said there is only a “tight window” for action.

Code words that mean there is a limited time before the “moderate” Republicans can screw up their courage and support the Constitution.


22 posted on 01/10/2013 4:58:37 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The one thing that Hollywood gets right about guns is that criminals will always get them.)
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To: Patriot Babe

Biden doesn’t want mentally disabled people pulled aside. He, himself, has had brain surgery three times ~ UNSUCCESSFULLY.


23 posted on 01/10/2013 4:59:58 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Zakeet
he is likely to recommend background checks for all gun buyers and a ban on high-capacity ammunition clips.

Obama and Biden have no interest in solving problems, only in creating problems.

24 posted on 01/10/2013 5:09:59 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Zakeet

Let’s see how long it takes the NRA to sell out its members.


25 posted on 01/10/2013 5:29:33 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: andyk
Another consideration in regards to universal background checks is the complete loss of privacy by everybody, even those who do not buy a gun. At this time, correct me if my understanding is wrong, holders of a FFL have access to the NICS check background system. Those being in the gun business. The so called “loophole” the left talks about is two private parties engaged in a sale, while both are not in the gun business. These transactions do not have a NICS background check. Thus if private sales need a background check, the NICS system would have to be available to everybody. Someone could background check everybody in their neighborhood to obtain dirt on their neighbors. Your kid is not getting enough playing time on his basketball team, call NICS and check the background of his coach. How would they know on the other side of the phone if no gun sale was really in the offing. Thus the the unattended consequences of a universal background check would be the complete loss of privacy for everybody, not just gun owners, but everybody.
26 posted on 01/10/2013 5:34:33 PM PST by gusty
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Let’s see how long it takes the NRA to sell out its members.

What's your problem Jack, are you anti 2nd Amendment and anti gun?

27 posted on 01/10/2013 5:40:57 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Alaska Wolf

The NRA isn’t pro-2nd Amendment enough for me. I stick with the GOA which doesn’t compromise like the NRA.


28 posted on 01/10/2013 5:47:25 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: gusty

The deal would be that private parties would have to go to a FFL dealer for transfer processing and background checks .BY mandating a fee be paid to the FFL dealer the adminstration hopes to buy their support.Plus it eliminates “competition”.
Have you never heard used and new car dealers grumbing about private car sales “hurting the market” ?
THe statists want nothing to happen without it being regulated,taxed,and tracked.


29 posted on 01/10/2013 5:47:55 PM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
The NRA isn’t pro-2nd Amendment enough for me.

We're all in the same boat. Can you point to any of the individual GOA successes in quashing proposed gun restrictions or overturning anti 2nd Amendment laws?

30 posted on 01/10/2013 6:18:01 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: andyk

SO they expect me to run a backgound check on somebody that I am going to sell a gun to, or have him run one on me?

It’s a private sale. No dice Baraq.


31 posted on 01/10/2013 6:29:13 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: Ouderkirk

I’m sure they’ll argue that the NICS check should happen at an FFL, where the buyer would undergo the check (and pay a fee).

I can’t believe it’ll ever happen. But, I also knew the SCOTUS would never approve Obamacare.


32 posted on 01/10/2013 6:42:26 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: Zakeet

Tyrant. He will raise his obnoxious voice, as he has done before. Make ready, as his breath is bad.


33 posted on 01/10/2013 6:48:19 PM PST by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

The GOA has been described by Congressman Ron Paul as “The only no-compromise gun lobby in Washington.” This quote from Paul has long been displayed prominently on the home page of the Gun Owners of America website, and Paul was the only 2008 Presidential candidate to receive an A+ grade from Gun Owners of America.

GOA Victories

On June 6, 1995, GOA helped in lobbying the House of Representatives to vote against the Moran Amendment, by a vote of 278 to 149. The amendment would have banned .50 caliber weaponry from being licensed for export.[23]
On July 13, 2006, Senator David Vitter (R-LA) saw an 84-16 vote for his amendment prohibiting the use of federal money for federal agents to confiscate weapons during a declared state of emergency. This bill was passed not even a year after the devastation in Vitter’s home state from Hurricane Katrina.[24]

On June 27, 2007, the Pence Amendment passed. The bill, named after Representative Mike Pence (R-IN), was passed by a vote of 309-115. According to GOA the amendment blocked the Federal Communications Commission’s (FCC) ability to use the Fairness Doctrine in order to radically limit the free speech allowed by organizations like GOA over the airwaves.[25]

On August 9, 2007, GOA supported Senator Vitter’s work in pushing through a bill stating that no U.S. funds can be used by the United Nations or any group affiliated with the United Nations to restrict or tax Second Amendment rights. If they attempt to do so, the U.S. can rightfully pull out all of their funds from the organization. This bill, HR-2764, also known as the Consolidated Appropriations Act, passed by an 81-10 vote.[26]

On February 25, 2008, Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC) amended bill S-1200, the Indian Health Care Improvement Act. In the act, the wording stated that the funds were to be used for “violence prevention.” Once the funds were attempted to be used for gun buybacks and other such anti-gun policies, Senator DeMint pushed through an amendment to the act stating that the money cannot be used for any anti-gun programs. The bill passed by a margin of 78-11.[27]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_Owners_of_America

GOA-backed political candidates who won their races.
http://gunowners.org/a052212.htm


34 posted on 01/10/2013 7:01:17 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Diogenesis

The consigliere on the right is Red Ken Salazar.

What a rope a dope photo.

Obviously these three communist nationalist socialist bozos, whose suits cost exceeds monthly income for most gun owners and American patriots, have never met nor have any idea about the passion for R2KBA held by the self-named Gulf Coast Rednecks group of fishing guides, who took my kids out fishing last week in Corpus Christi Bay. Not a clue.

This reminds me of the British marching on Boston before they got their asses handed to them at Bunker Hill.


35 posted on 01/10/2013 7:23:32 PM PST by FlyingEagle
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To: Jack Hydrazine
GOA Victories

I asked what the GOA accomplished individually/alone. Those aren't victories in which only the GOA was involved.

Paul was the only 2008 Presidential candidate to receive an A+ grade from Gun Owners of America.

Neither rating seemed to help him, did it. That open border/free trade libertarianism was a killer. http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Ron_Paul_Gun_Control.htm

Paul scores A by NRA on pro-gun rights policies. The following ratings are based on lifetime voting records on gun issues and the results of a questionaire sent to all Congressional candidates; the NRA assigned a letter grade (with A+ being the highest and F being the lowest).

36 posted on 01/10/2013 7:25:13 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Zakeet

Here in Massachusetts, I can’t sell a gun to my neighbor without both of us going to a local gun dealership to file the required paperwork.

Of course, we also need a “Firearms ID” to purchase or own long guns and shotguns (and to buy ammo) and a “License to Carry” to buy or possess handguns, though the LTC covers long guns, too.


37 posted on 01/10/2013 7:32:32 PM PST by DNME (Without the Constitution, there is no legitimate U.S. government. Period.)
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38 posted on 01/10/2013 7:35:44 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Alaska Wolf

I can’t point to any at the moment but I’d rather be a GOA member than an NRA member.


39 posted on 01/10/2013 7:39:47 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Try this one.
http://gunowners.org/a122309.htm


40 posted on 01/10/2013 7:43:14 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
I’d rather be a GOA member than an NRA member.

I'm a pro 2nd Amendment and pro gun member, not a bitchy, holier-than-thou complainer.

41 posted on 01/10/2013 8:02:45 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Try this one. http://gunowners.org/a122309.htm

I did. Senator Reid was pressured by GOA and his constituents

How many Nevada constituents are NRA members?

The Senate is expected to vote on final passage of the ObamaCare bill tomorrow. The bill is expected to pass, but the fight is far from over

The fight to preserve our rights will never be over! The constant bitching and whining by the holier-than-thou wing of the pro gun crowd only benefits the libtards and anti 2nd Amendment people.

42 posted on 01/10/2013 8:17:38 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Yeah, and Romney wasn't conservative enough for all you kamikaze Conservatives so we ended up with Obama again by default. Please get smarter.
43 posted on 01/10/2013 9:30:48 PM PST by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: Buffalo Head

Romney wasn’t a Conservative. He was an admitted Progressive.


44 posted on 01/11/2013 8:25:00 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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