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Court upholds firing of Paterson teacher who called students 'future criminals'
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Posted on 01/11/2013 3:51:39 PM PST by Sub-Driver

Court upholds firing of Paterson teacher who called students 'future criminals' Dan Ivers/NJ.com By Dan Ivers/NJ.com on January 11, 2013 at 12:09 PM, updated January 11, 2013 at 3:31 PM

PATERSON — A state appeals court has upheld the firing of a former Paterson first-grade teacher who called her students "future criminals" on her personal Facebook page.

Jennifer O'Brien, an Elmwood Park resident who began working for Paterson schools in 1998, claimed in her appeal that her comments were protected by the First Amendment, and that her right to express her opinion "was outweighed by the district's interest in the efficient operation of its schools."

According to court documents, O'Brien was working as a technology coordinator at the city's School No. 29, but prior to the 2010-2011 school year, was transferred to School No. 21. She was originally assigned to a fifth-grade classroom, but was quickly put in charge of a group of 23 first-graders, all of whom were either black or Latino.

In late March 2011, O'Brien made two posts to her Facebook page. The first read, "I'm not a teacher — I'm a warden for future criminals!" while the second read, "They had a scared straight program in school - why couldn't (I) bring (first) graders?"

The school's principal was informed of the comments the following day by O'Brien's former principal at School No. 29. He confronted her about them the next day, but characterized her response as "unrepentant."

News about the posts quickly hit the media, and the district sparked numerous complaints from parents and a protest, leading to a complaint against O'Brien and an unpaid suspension.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: education; newjersey; nj; paterson; schools; teachers
Truth hurts......
1 posted on 01/11/2013 3:51:54 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

Yes, Truth hurts. I did my Student Teaching in a very marginal area, second graders. I had 22 boys and 8 girls, and I was 20 or something. I KNEW those kids were dealing drugs on the playground!

You cannot mention that on FB?? That seems so wrong.


2 posted on 01/11/2013 3:57:47 PM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Sub-Driver

Yes, Truth hurts. I did my Student Teaching in a very marginal area, second graders. I had 22 boys and 8 girls, and I was 20 or something. I KNEW those kids were dealing drugs on the playground!

You cannot mention that on FB?? That seems so wrong.


3 posted on 01/11/2013 3:57:57 PM PST by bboop (does not suffer fools gladly)
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To: Sub-Driver
Because O'Brien was tenured, the case was sent to an administrative law judge. O'Brien argued that her comments were not racist, but were based her frustration with bad behavior by her students, including stealing and hitting one another.

Sounds reasonable to me.

However, the judge rejected her arguments, calling her comments "intemperate and vituperative" and saying they made cooperation with parents impossible. She was fired immediately after the ruling.

Oh please. Why the 50 cent words by the judge? Sheesh. Just say you wanted to go after her because she stuck an open societal nerve, and it ticked you off.

4 posted on 01/11/2013 4:01:35 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: bboop
However, the judge rejected her arguments, calling her comments "intemperate and vituperative"

"It's intemperate, vituperative, outrageous, and preposterous!"


5 posted on 01/11/2013 4:07:46 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Sub-Driver

Teachers who tell the truth about conditions in the public schools are extremely rare. Only when you get to know teachers and they trust you do they tell the truth. Most public schools are completely dysfunctional. Teachers have told me amazing stories about how bad public schools are. Many won’t work at certain schools and call in sick as often as they can. In school they look the other way and don’t try to discipline students. They know they can get in trouble only if they try to keep order. They regard their schools as a joke and the administrators, principals and union parasites as scum of the earth.


6 posted on 01/11/2013 4:12:06 PM PST by detective
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To: bboop

>>You cannot mention that on FB?? That seems so wrong.<<

No offense, but anyone dumb enough to post on FB with his/her real name is too dumb to be teaching kids anyway.


7 posted on 01/11/2013 4:14:51 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: Sub-Driver

Well, this judge is completely wrong.

But, I must say, you’d think people would think twice about posting what they think on Facebook.

If you SAY something like this, and get reported, it’s deniable. But not if it’s right up there on the internet for everyone to see and rat on.


8 posted on 01/11/2013 4:16:27 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SkyPilot

>>However, the judge rejected her arguments, calling her comments “intemperate and vituperative” <<

Inner city brothers?


9 posted on 01/11/2013 4:19:58 PM PST by freedumb2003 (MOLON LABE)
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To: SkyPilot

She was right.


10 posted on 01/11/2013 4:26:25 PM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: SkyPilot

She was right.


11 posted on 01/11/2013 4:26:25 PM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN (girl type))
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To: detective
Check out Ann Barnhardt's story about why she left high school here, from about the 6:20 mark. Good example of the horrible, almost undescribable pathologies regnant at those institutions.
12 posted on 01/11/2013 4:33:56 PM PST by Mmmike
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To: Sub-Driver

Nothing will gst you in trouble faster than telling the truth.


13 posted on 01/11/2013 5:26:25 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Sub-Driver
A member here I know very well can tell you the damndest stories.

From her profile: My name is flib because I am a FORMER liberal. I’m an army wife, a mom, and I used to teach history
Yeah, I knew her in her 'libtard' days...and then when she saw the light. 180 degrees!
She used to do homeschooling, and her friends & neighbors all started bringing their kids to her because hers did quite well academically,
AND they werent being indoctrinated!
14 posted on 01/11/2013 6:23:09 PM PST by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: Sub-Driver

Elizabeth O’Brien??? And she thought she could tell the truth with a name like THAT??? On the other hand, if her name were Cleopatra X Limpopo Jackson, she’d still have a job/s;)


15 posted on 01/11/2013 8:06:11 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: GreatMan

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16 posted on 01/11/2013 8:12:31 PM PST by GreatMan
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Sub-Driver.
O'Brien was working as a technology coordinator at the city's School No. 29, but prior to the 2010-2011 school year, was transferred to School No. 21... 23 first-graders, all of whom were either black or Latino. In late March 2011, O'Brien made two posts to her Facebook page... The school's principal was informed of the comments the following day by O'Brien's former principal at School No. 29. He confronted her about them the next day, but characterized her response as "unrepentant." News about the posts quickly hit the media...

17 posted on 01/11/2013 8:45:08 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SunkenCiv

They can’t handle the truth.

I weep for the children whose lives are being destroyed by the left with their “let ‘em run wild” policies.


18 posted on 01/12/2013 6:47:46 AM PST by TheOldLady
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To: Mmmike

Good stuff. I’ve seen a few of her videos, but hadn’t seen that story. She’s not one to suffer fools or abuse, that’s for sure.


19 posted on 01/12/2013 8:15:37 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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