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Does 2nd Amendment give right to armed revolt?
heraldandnews.com ^ | 13 January, 2013 | Joel Mathis

Posted on 01/14/2013 4:08:51 PM PST by marktwain

The renewed debate over gun rights that has followed the massacre of elementary schoolchildren in Newtown, Conn., has included scrutiny over why gun advocates believe they need a right to bear arms. Among the reasons: Many advocates believe that individual gun ownership helps preserve American liberty, making government fearful of trampling on rights of its citizens. If government goes too far, the argument goes, Americans have the right to revolt by force.

Is that argument correct? Or does it belong to fringe gun enthusiasts?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; bloodoftyrants; constitution; govtabuse; guncontrol; revolution; secondamendment; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus
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To: marktwain

No the second A does not give the right. That right is clearly stated in our Declaration of Independence. It is a foundational moral principle of our republic. The second A just keeps us armed so we can apply our foundational moral principle if necessary.


21 posted on 01/14/2013 4:27:00 PM PST by D Rider
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To: marktwain

The second amendment doesn’t give any rights. It forbids the federal government from infringing on the natural right to keep and bear arms. This is supposed to keep the power to revolt against tyranny in the hands of the people should they decide to exercise it. Thus it is supposed to keep potential tyrants in check and why potential tyrants don’t like it very much.


22 posted on 01/14/2013 4:29:12 PM PST by Dan Cooper
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To: marktwain
Second Amendment = The RESET BUTTON for the Constitution.
23 posted on 01/14/2013 4:29:54 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: marktwain
The Declaration of Independence provides that citizens have a DUTY to stand up to a tyrannical government that fails to comport itself FOR the people.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

The 2nd Amendment is the vehicle in which the Fathers of this Nation intended to protect the Citizen's right and ability to combat a tyrannical government.

24 posted on 01/14/2013 4:30:22 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: Nervous Tick
Armed revolt, when necessary, isn’t a right — it’s a solemn responsibility.
What the second amendment does is to afford those who must reluctantly take on that sacred responsibility the possibility of succeeding at it.

Perfectly stated.

25 posted on 01/14/2013 4:30:28 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: marktwain

No, of course not. The right to armed revolt is older than the Bill of Rights, and it is granted by our Creator in Jefferson’s famous formulation. The Second Amendment prohibits the federal government from infringing on the right to keep and bear arms. The only connection the Second Amendment has with armed revolt is that if it is being dismissed or circumvented by an oppressive and dictatorial government, the right to bear arms confers the ability to use them.


26 posted on 01/14/2013 4:30:34 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: marktwain

Why should we revolt?

This is our country and our constitution.

The federal government elected officials and bureaucrats are the ones who have revolted against the constitution.

Just round up the usurpers, imposters, traitors and petty tyrants, give them a speedy but fair trial, then hang them from a downtown lamp post.

Shouldn’t take any more than a day after they are caught.


27 posted on 01/14/2013 4:30:48 PM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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The 2nd Amendment, among other things, essentially secures the 1st Amendment. The Left is gingo after both. DO NOT YIELD!


28 posted on 01/14/2013 4:31:58 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Bryanw92
There is no “right” to armed revolt.

Our Founders stated in the Preamble to the United States Declaration that

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

29 posted on 01/14/2013 4:32:36 PM PST by sand88
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To: ConradofMontferrat

http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/14/gop-congressman-threatens-impeachment-if-obama-uses-executive-action-for-gun-control/


30 posted on 01/14/2013 4:33:20 PM PST by ronnie raygun ( Lexington / Concord, America's first gun grab attempt)
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To: Rappini
Molon Labe

Moquabet' de allendre!

31 posted on 01/14/2013 4:34:20 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon or just throw her from the train......)
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To: Hot Tabasco

http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=4574


32 posted on 01/14/2013 4:35:47 PM PST by ronnie raygun ( Lexington / Concord, America's first gun grab attempt)
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To: marktwain

“When, in the course of human events.....”


33 posted on 01/14/2013 4:36:37 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: marktwain

When you go after the king you had better take him out. (old saying)


34 posted on 01/14/2013 4:37:22 PM PST by Domangart
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To: Bryanw92
LOL

You only become a patriot or freedom fighter if you win and get to write the history books.

You get the NAIL ON HEAD award.

As a Historian, all history is written by the "guys who won!"

Those bozos who "stood on their PRINCIPLES, and who REFUSED TO STOOP TO THEIR ENEMY'S LEVEL, came in SECOND BEST.

Their history has been whited out and long forgotten.

35 posted on 01/14/2013 4:37:39 PM PST by ConradofMontferrat (According to mudslimz, my handle is a HATE CRIME. And I HOPE they don't like it.)
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To: marktwain

If the government has gotten corrupt and it is not possible to correct it by usual means then I think the Constitution sort of demands it.

I think we may be in that situation now. The press has become so one sided and crooked that they can make most people think right is wrong and vice versa.

People who don’t have a strong sense of skepticism or proper training from birth will just about certainly be fooled.


36 posted on 01/14/2013 4:37:59 PM PST by yarddog (One shot one miss.)
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To: marktwain

Can someone seriously please answer this idea I had immediately after the Sandy Hook shooting.....

Why is no one proposing just putting in Metal Detectors at the school entrances...??


37 posted on 01/14/2013 4:39:29 PM PST by LiveFreeOrDie2001
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To: Paladin2
It would be wise for those so inclined at the moment to use methods other than gunfire to send the appropriate message.

Most definitely. The evil left would like nothing more than to have some "right wing crazies" unleash violence against the government. I pray that those who cherish Liberty stand strong and resist the temptation to take up arms.

We must hold out until the evil left truly shows it's evil face and strike out with government force against their enemies. Let all see the left for the evil in their souls.

38 posted on 01/14/2013 4:39:29 PM PST by sand88
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To: Nervous Tick
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
39 posted on 01/14/2013 4:42:00 PM PST by NonValueAdded (If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, you've likely misread the situation.)
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To: sand88

I really meant to eschew gunfire, that’s all.


40 posted on 01/14/2013 4:42:21 PM PST by Paladin2
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