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Marco Rubio: Obama Isn't a Believer in the Second Amendment
Townhall.com ^ | January 17, 2013 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 01/17/2013 8:39:31 AM PST by Kaslin

Appearing on The O'Reilly Factor last night, Florida Senator Marco Rubio said President Obama "doesn't have the guts" to admit that he doesn't believe in the Second Amendment and that his new push for gun control is something he's been wanting to do for his entire political career.

“I actually believe the president doesn’t have the guts to admit he doesn’t believe in the Second Amendment although he states that he is. The Second Amendment is in the Constitution. I didn’t write the Constitution, neither did you, neither did he. If he doesn’t want the Second Amendment to be in the Constitution or if he wants to reform the Second Amendment then have the guts to admit that.”

Marco Rubio:The President Doesn't Have the Guts To Admit He Doesn't Believe in 2nd Amendment

Over to you, Jake Tapper.

This is not the first incident of horrific gun violence of your four years, where have you been?"

Jake Tapper to Obama: This isn't your first gun massacre "Where've you been?"


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1 posted on 01/17/2013 8:39:43 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Well, Marco Rubio isn’t a believer in immigration laws that are and have been on the books in this country a long long time, etiher.


2 posted on 01/17/2013 8:41:47 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Kaslin
Marco Rubio: Obama Isn't a Believer in the Second Amendment

Wow! How did he ever figure that out?

3 posted on 01/17/2013 8:43:27 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Kaslin

After Rubio’s appearance, Kirsten Powers said that there wasn’t any evidence supporting Rubio’s statement. If O’Reilly were better informed he would have countered that Obama said as much in an encounter with John Lott at the University of Chicago and he signed a petition, while a State Senator, affirming his belief that all guns should be banned.


4 posted on 01/17/2013 8:43:48 AM PST by Conservative Vet
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o kidding Mr. Rubio.
Tell us something we don’t know.
Now, about those ILLEGAL immigrants you love so much... you do understand what ‘Illegal” means don’t you?
You touch on it with your criticism of Obama and the second amendment...


5 posted on 01/17/2013 8:45:34 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Kaslin

Liberals don’t like the Constitution period!!!

Because it restrains their agenda.


6 posted on 01/17/2013 8:46:54 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Kaslin
Obama Isn't a Believer in the Second Amendment

Of course he isn't, because he's not a believer in the American People.

If you don't believe in the people, then Sandy Hook, et al, are just proof of your position. You will completely disregard the 999,999 other instances where gun owners could have shot somebody and DIDN'T.

7 posted on 01/17/2013 8:47:11 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Kaslin

The true FIRST Responder is the citizen.
It is his duty to confront threats to his home and family by criminals and persons intent on inflicting harm.
He cannot do this if the government takes away his arms.
Without the right to bear arms, all that will happen is that the police will show up after the fact and draw chalk marks around the bodies of the dead.


8 posted on 01/17/2013 8:49:32 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Children, pets, and slaves get taken care of. Free Men take care of themselves.)
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To: Kaslin
Marco Rubio: Obama Isn't a Believer in the Second Amendment

The jug-eared socialist moron isn't a believer in the Constitution! WAKE UP and get with the program Marco!

9 posted on 01/17/2013 8:51:17 AM PST by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: Kaslin

Obama isn’t a believer in The Constitution.


10 posted on 01/17/2013 8:52:09 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Kaslin
What an astounding grasp of the obvious !

No wonder those guys make the big bucks !



11 posted on 01/17/2013 8:52:38 AM PST by tomkat ( .. shall not be infringed)
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To: Kaslin

Isn’t it interesting-—how many people take an oath to uphold the Supreme Law of the Land-—and then they spit on it.

Sickening. They are such liars with absolutely no integrity.

Morality used to be required for all political officer holders. Promoting Vice-—sodomy and abortion—is destroying the Good/Evil paradigm—the souls of America——switching it to the muslim “ethic” system in Afghanistan.


12 posted on 01/17/2013 8:55:32 AM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Kaslin

13 posted on 01/17/2013 8:55:44 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

When Hussein uttered the words “God given inalienable rights” it looked like he was going to choke.


14 posted on 01/17/2013 8:57:01 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

15 posted on 01/17/2013 8:58:09 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Kaslin
I shall go even further than Detective Rubio whilst deducing as follows, to wit: YEP Pictures, Images and Photos So why might he burn? - 'Cause he's made of wood? - Good! - How do we tell if he is made of wood? - Build a bridge out of him. - But can you not also make bridges out of stone? - Oh, yeah. - Does wood sink in water? - No, it floats. - So we throw him into the pond! - What also floats in water? - Bread. - Apples. - Very small rocks. - Cider! Great gravy. - Cherries. Mud. - Churches. - Lead. - A duck! - Exactly. - So, logically-- - If he weighs the same as a duck... - he's made of wood. - And therefore? - A witch!
16 posted on 01/17/2013 9:02:10 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Gaffer

And you obviously are not a believer in spell check either


17 posted on 01/17/2013 9:03:30 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Gaffer
What part of this:

“I actually believe the president doesn’t have the guts to admit he doesn’t believe in the Second Amendment although he states that he is. The Second Amendment is in the Constitution. I didn’t write the Constitution, neither did you, neither did he. If he doesn’t want the Second Amendment to be in the Constitution or if he wants to reform the Second Amendment then have the guts to admit that.”

do you disagree with?

18 posted on 01/17/2013 9:05:51 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: BenLurkin

Make it go viral!


19 posted on 01/17/2013 9:07:04 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Kaslin

Immigration aside, Rubio is one of the best we have. I also believe the emergence of Ted Cruz may bring out the best in Rubio. He doesn’t has a threat to be the conservative favorite. Rubio has that unique ability to make very strong statements in a likable and convincing way...there are times where I see the same bedrock core we saw in Reagan. Cruz has shown to be a wily veteran in his first weeks, and I am guessing Rubio is going to kick it up a few notches, too.

I’d like to see Rubio rework his immigration plan so it is not a fast track to citizenship, and he will come out a hero on our side. There is a very real problem with immigration and our current situation, and some sort of worker program that allows many to stay here and get in the back of the line for citizenship is a fair proposal...of course I have yet to hear anyone make it.


20 posted on 01/17/2013 9:16:58 AM PST by ilgipper (Obama supporters are comprised of the uninformed & the ill-informed)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Not one bit of it.

However, his recent comments on immigration and a ‘path to citizenship’ for those illegals having proved they didn’t commit any serious laws pretty much means to me that he’s not what we all thought he was. I don’t really need him to tell me what Obama’s thought on the Second Amendment are.


21 posted on 01/17/2013 9:20:19 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Kaslin

Pretty cheap shot on a mistyped word IMO....”when there’s no substance, stand on triviality”.....


22 posted on 01/17/2013 9:21:53 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: ilgipper
He sure is. Marco Rubio was on Fox and Friends this morning talking about immigration reform. He had some excellent points

Sen. Rubio's new partner on quest for reform

23 posted on 01/17/2013 9:27:41 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

Has any other congressman actually came out and said Obama doesn’t believe in the Second Amendment? I think it is a good start. Judge Napolitano said Obama also doesn’t believe in Amendment 22.

Don’t give up. There is a petition to Congress calling for an investigation of Obama’s fraudulent use of someone else’s social security number, and forgery of draft card and birth certificate at www.OrlyTaitzEsq.com. SCOTUS has an upcoming conference on Feb. 15 to decide whether to hear Noonan v. Bowen on the same issues.


24 posted on 01/17/2013 9:33:05 AM PST by charlie72
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To: Gaffer

Sue me, it’s people like you that we lost the election. It’s people like you that we didn’t get the Senate back, even though we had an excellent chance to do so. And it’s people like you that will make sure the rats are taking the House back in 2014, which is exactly what that arrogant pos occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave wants


25 posted on 01/17/2013 9:40:54 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

I see liberal Fox News is doing everything possible to push Amnesty Liberal La Raza Rubio as some conservative leader

And we will have the usual PhonyCon Liberals whine whenever anyone brings up the facts about Tivo

There are much better conservative leaders who are stronger on 2d Amendment issues than Rubio. Someone as Open Borders as Rubio cannot be trusted on this issue....especially when one of Rubio’s biggest benefactors of Amnesty, Mexico, wants Americans disarmed.

Rubio is pushing Aztlan and Reconquista for Mexico...he is not someone to trust on 2d Amendment


26 posted on 01/17/2013 9:43:05 AM PST by SeminoleCounty (The only automatic weapon is the one Obama uses to take your paycheck)
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To: Kaslin

It’s people like you that will elect someone who will end up appeasing, helping the Democrats, to legalize the 12 million illegal aliens (more like 50 million) here because you want a ‘republican’ of any flavor in office. If Marco gets his way, there won’t be any Republicans in the WH, ever.

Why didn’t your boy Marco say this before he got elected?


27 posted on 01/17/2013 9:48:21 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: charlie72

My concern isn’t that Obama and the Democrats have never liked the Second Amendment. It is the ENTIRE Constitution they have nothing but contempt for, including the 10th Amendment, which would prohibit most of their domestic policies and agenda. And they completely twist the part about religion. All the Founders intended with respect to religion, is that the FEDERAL government not establish an official religion. PERIOD. If a state such as Maryland or Virginia or any other state wanted to establish a state religion within the confines of their state, that is not prohibited. The Dems, in their twisted ways, have interpreted the Constitution in such a manner which creates a secular state, bans all public prayers or mention of God, bans any mention of God in our currency, our pledge of alliegence, any public display of religious objects (unless Muslim) and so on......The Liberals are truly twisted when it comes to not only the Second Amendment but the ENTIRE meaning and intent of the Constitution. They want nothing more than to rip it to shreds and completely ignore it. The libs have as much use for the Constitution as they do the Bible. They want no restraint at all, nothing to stop them from doing whatever they please.


28 posted on 01/17/2013 9:50:39 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Kaslin
I saw that interview last night, and I also heard Rubio agree with O'Reilly that all guns should be registered.

WTF!!!!

Really, Senator Rubio, you think that it is OK for a list of all Jews gunowners to be compiled by the government...because its past actions have proven it to be so trustworthy that the mere thought of it do anything nefarious with that information is unrealistic? REALLY?

I hope that someone on his staff who reads this, or someone who can get in contact with his staff quickly, brings this to Rubio's attention ASAP. I happen to think that BOR was just talking quickly and that Rubio glossed over it, so he should issue a "clarification" of his remarks.

We need to take NO steps backwards on our 2nd Amendment rights - NO registration, NO new restrictions on the types of weapons we are "allowed" to own, NO magazine restrictions, NO registration of each ammo purchase, etc. Oh, and NO violation of our doctor-patient confidentiality, much less a compilation of such private information in a (hackable) federal database. This stuff is UNACCEPTABLE, and leaders like Rubio need to make that clear.

Unless, of course, he feels otherwise.

29 posted on 01/17/2013 9:50:51 AM PST by Ancesthntr (Banning guns to prevent crime is like banning cars to prevent drunk driving.)
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To: Kaslin
Wow, this guy is totally brilliant! /sarc

Sorry, but this guy does not impress me one bit. He's already been infected with “Establishmentitis” He caught that from Mitch McConnell.

Hey Marco, want to impress me: quit offering Amnesty to ILLEGALS!

30 posted on 01/17/2013 9:52:06 AM PST by Artcore
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To: Gaffer
his recent comments on immigration and a ‘path to citizenship’ for those illegals

Are of less than zero interest to me on THIS thread.

I don’t really need him to tell me what Obama’s thought on the Second Amendment are.

Bully for you. Guess what, Sparky? I don't need it either. But there are a whole lot of low information voters out there staring at their TV, drooling on their bibs who absolutely need somebody to tell them.

Marco Rubio did the telling, and good on him for it.

31 posted on 01/17/2013 10:32:55 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Kaslin

I believe Marco Rubio is getting his doctorate at Howdy Doody University.


32 posted on 01/17/2013 10:41:23 AM PST by Mashood
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To: Kaslin

Marco and Bill also fail to recognize the threat of gun registration, as they both enthusiastically endorsed it.

Definition:
Gun Registration - The “common sense” law that occurs about 1 nanosecond prior to gun confiscation.


33 posted on 01/17/2013 10:54:50 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: Kaslin

THIS JUST IN: Franco's still dead.

34 posted on 01/17/2013 10:58:37 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Please, don't tell Obama what comes after a trillion.)
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To: BenLurkin

Snagged, saved, and distributed.


35 posted on 01/17/2013 11:16:22 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: SeminoleCounty
Rubio is pushing Aztlan and Reconquista for Mexico...he is not someone to trust on 2d Amendment

When did he say/do/write something like that? That's a heavy charge.

36 posted on 01/17/2013 11:24:38 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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To: Kaslin
I don't understand all the vitriol being aimed at Florida Senator Marco Rubio over his views on immigration. Due to decades of loose immigration policies that allowed millions of illegal aliens to enter the U.S., the problem has gotten out of hand and shouting 'send them all back where they came from' is mere bravado, not a rational policy. Bill O'Reilly asked Senator Rubio how he would deal with the illegal immigration problem and Rubio offered a reasonable, if not 'perfect' plan. For that he is vilified and insulted on a conservative website? Ah, but he didn't shout 'send them all back where they came from', apparently making Rubio a pariah in some precincts of FR.

That is absurd. The kind of futile, 'no one is ever conservative enough' attitude that is a political dead-end. I suspect it is in response to the steady stream of RINOs the party has been shoving down our throat for decades. I agree, the GOP is near useless when it comes to nominating and electing conservatives. I still miss Sarah Palin. However, dismissing the very few possible winning candidates the GOP has on the basis that they don't hold the exact same views on immigration as an FR poster is simple not rational.

No politician will ever placate every conservative - including this one - on every issue. If conservative perfection is the criteria, we may as well give up now because such perfection exists only in the minds of the implacable. Marco Rubio is smart, ambitious, articulate and photogenic. He holds conservative views and is a staunch opponent of Obama. He may or may not be the next GOP presidential candidate and he still has a lot to prove but seeing him vilified on FR over a reasonable plan for immigration that starts with securing the Mexico-U.S. border seems self-defeating.

37 posted on 01/17/2013 12:23:26 PM PST by Jim Scott
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To: Jim Scott

This is why we lose elections. We treat our own worse than the liberals treat them.


38 posted on 01/17/2013 12:29:35 PM PST by CityCenter (Compromise is the welcome mat to deception.)
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To: Conservative Vet
“I don’t believe that people should be able to own guns.”

Barak Obama, as quoted to John R. Lott, Jr., PhD, while both were working at the University of Chicago Law School in 1996. From the book “Debacle”, by Grover G. Norquist and John R Lott, Jr., John Wiley & Sons, Inc.: Publisher

“I just want you to know that we are working on it. We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

Barak Obama to Sarah Brady regarding gun control. Jason Horowitz, Washington Post, April 11th, 2011

“I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manufacturers’ lobby.”

From “The Audacity of Hope” by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006

“Let’s be honest. Mr. Keyes does not believe in common gun control measures like the assault weapons bill. Mr. Keyes does not believe in any limits from what I can tell with respect to the possession of guns, including assault weapons that have only one purpose, to kill people. I think it is a scandal that this president did not authorize a renewal of the assault weapons ban.”

Source: Illinois Senate Debate #3: Barack Obama vs. Alan Keyes , Oct 21, 2004

Q: Is the D.C. law prohibiting ownership of handguns consistent with an individual’s right to bear arms?

A: “As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.”

Q: But do you still favor the registration & licensing of guns?

A: “I think we can provide common-sense approaches to the issue of illegal guns that are ending up on the streets. We can make sure that criminals don’t have guns in their hands. We can make certain that those who are mentally deranged are not getting a hold of handguns. We can trace guns that have been used in crimes to unscrupulous gun dealers that may be selling to straw purchasers and dumping them on the streets.”

Source: 2008 Philadelphia primary debate, on eve of PA primary , Apr 16, 2008

Q. Do you support state legislation to:
a. ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns? Yes.
b. ban assault weapons? Yes.
c. mandatory waiting periods and background checks? Yes.

Source: FactCheck.org analysis of 2008 Philadelphia primary debate , Apr 16, 2008

“I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.”

Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview , Feb 11, 2008

“I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry.”

Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.250-251 , Aug 14, 2007

“I think we have two conflicting traditions in this country. I think it’s important for us to recognize that we’ve got a tradition of handgun ownership and gun ownership generally. And a lot of law-abiding citizens use it for hunting, for sportsmanship, and for protecting their families. We also have a violence on the streets that is the result of illegal handgun usage. And so I think there is nothing wrong with a community saying we are going to take those illegal handguns off the streets. And cracking down on the various loopholes that exist in terms of background checks for children, the mentally ill. We can have reasonable, thoughtful gun control measure that I think respect the Second Amendment and people’s traditions.”

Source: 2008 Politico pre-Potomac Primary interview , Feb 11, 2008

“I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry.”

Source: From Promise to Power, by David Mendell, p.250-251 , Aug 14, 2007

http://www.gunblast.com/ObamaQuotes.htm

39 posted on 01/17/2013 12:43:52 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Kaslin

If obama doesn’t believe in the Constitution, why would be believe in the 2nd amendment?


40 posted on 01/17/2013 3:48:31 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Gaffer

“Well, Marco Rubio isn’t a believer in immigration laws that are and have been on the books in this country a long long time, either.”

Worth repeating.


41 posted on 01/17/2013 10:39:14 PM PST by Pelham (Treason, it's not just for Democrats anymore.)
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To: Jim Scott

“I don’t understand all the vitriol being aimed at Florida Senator Marco Rubio over his views on immigration.”

Move to California, which used to be part of America.

Then you’ll figure it out.


42 posted on 01/17/2013 10:48:05 PM PST by Pelham (Treason, it's not just for Democrats anymore.)
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To: Jim Scott

“’send them all back where they came from’ is mere bravado, not a rational policy”

Evidently Dwight Eisenhower felt otherwise seeing as he did exactly that when he was President.

Operation Wetback.

Today, merely hearing the name of Ike’s program makes the weaklings populating the GOP pee down their legs in fear as they wail “it can’t be done! We have to let them stay!”.


43 posted on 01/17/2013 10:52:49 PM PST by Pelham (Treason, it's not just for Democrats anymore.)
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To: Pelham
“I don’t understand all the vitriol being aimed at Florida Senator Marco Rubio over his views on immigration.”

Move to California, which used to be part of America.

Then you’ll figure it out.

Californians elected politicians who pandered to Hispanics and the federal government refused to act to secure the border. Now, that beautiful state is a social and economic mess with a loopy leftist recently elected as it's governor. The time to stop massive illegal immigration - specifically from poverty-stricken Mexico - has long since passed. Today, with 12 million illegal immigrants living in the U.S. the best we can do is to, finally, secure the border with Mexico, Rubio's first step in his plan, then try to manage the illegal population by bringing them into the legal immigration system and giving those who demonstrate a willingness to be productive citizens the chance for earned citizenship over a five-to-ten year period. That may not be a perfect solution but it is a start and to see conservatives rip Senator Rubio as if he wanted to just hand out U.S. citizenship to anyone who sneaks over the border is unfair and indicates a refusal to deal with reality and just criticize and complain, instead.

44 posted on 01/18/2013 7:19:13 AM PST by Jim Scott
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To: Pelham
Evidently Dwight Eisenhower felt otherwise seeing as he did exactly that when he was President. Operation Wetback.

Today, merely hearing the name of Ike’s program makes the weaklings populating the GOP pee down their legs in fear as they wail “it can’t be done! We have to let them stay!”.

'Operation Wetback' was begun in 1954 - 59 years ago - when America was a different country. It probably violated some human rights and more importantly, did not stop the flow of Mexicans illegally entering the U.S. Frankly, I wish it had worked, but it did not and could not be done today. The illegal immigrant population has increased by 400% since then and native-born Americans, while wary of the negative ramifications of this huge influx of mostly poor, uneducated, non-assimilated people on American culture and it's economy, would not support politicians that simply cried "send 'em all back where they came from!" - as if that were possible, which it obviously is not, even if the U.S. were a police state, which it isn't...yet (ask me again in 4 more years).

When it comes to addressing illegal immigration, the squeamishness of today's Republican politicians is well-known and much of that stems from the Democrat's successful attempts to use emotion and accuse Republicans of 'racism' for simply stating the obvious; that illegal immigration, mainly from Mexico, is a drag on our economy, stretches our resources and in some cases, endangers American citizens. Senator Marco Rubio went on national TV and presented a reasonable plan to deal with the illegal immigration issue when few Republicans will do more than mutter about it. That plan began with seriously securing the U.S.-Mexico border, which indicates that Rubio understands the problem and isn't just grandstanding or trying to pander to Hispanics. His plan may not be the best there is but at least Rubio has made a serious proposal. To see fellow conservatives bash him for that is disappointing.

45 posted on 01/18/2013 7:40:04 AM PST by Jim Scott
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To: Jim Scott

Rubio has positioned himself as an Hispanic first and American second.

He scuttled attempts by Florida Republicans to address illegal immigration when he was in the Florida legislature. He revealed what he’s about, and his smooth speeches won’t cover it over.

We already had to battle GW Bush’s amnesty idiocy.

We don’t need to repeat it with Rubio.


46 posted on 01/18/2013 1:41:32 PM PST by Pelham (Treason, it's not just for Democrats anymore.)
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To: Jim Scott

Sorry, I don’t share your “we can’t do that, let’s just give up” mentality.

“and native-born Americans, while wary of the negative ramifications of this huge influx of mostly poor, uneducated, non-assimilated people on American culture and it’s economy, would not support politicians that simply cried “send ‘em all back where they came from!” “

We can see that you wouldn’t.


47 posted on 01/18/2013 1:45:36 PM PST by Pelham (Treason, it's not just for Democrats anymore.)
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To: Pelham
I would if it were feasible - but it isn't.

Those 12 million illegals are not only in California and Texas but are scattered all over the country and cannot simply be 'rounded up' like Japanese-Americans were in WWII. To assume that is possible is to kid yourself. We're paying the price for decades of the government - including California and Texas - turning a blind eye to illegal immigration and allowing the U.S. Mexican border to be porous while millions of Mexican nationals and others, some with criminal backgrounds, sneaked across and settled into the barrios of Los Angeles and elsewhere, with no need to learn English and little fear of being found and deported because no one was looking for them and in some U.S. cities, 6 in California, alone, including Los Angeles and San Francisco, police cannot even arrest an illegal alien for deportation purposes unless they have already committed a crime. That kind of lunacy is how we got to the sorry pass we're in today, with 12 million illegal aliens to deal with. I'm not happy about it but Senator Rubio offers the outline of a sensible plan - starting with securing the border - to deal with this huge problem that snarky comments and feel-good slogans won't solve.

48 posted on 01/19/2013 6:18:22 AM PST by Jim Scott
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To: Jim Scott

” ‘rounded up’ like Japanese-Americans were in WWII.”

Good grief. Is that what you amnesty supporters are resorting to now? Is that what you think Eisenhower was doing with Operation Wetback?

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that your rhetoric would sound like leftwing criticism of America because the amnesty crowd routinely invokes racism and xenophobia to try to deflect all discussion of the D Word, Deportation.

The fact is that asset forfeiture would induce millions of foreign nationals squatting in the US to go home on their own. No Internment Camps, No Boxcars to Dachau, none of the usual horrors that drama queen amnesty pushers wail about.

If you’re living here illegally, we can seize your stuff.

So you sell it and go back to your home country, the one that you lived in before you decided that laws are just a bother and you could invite yourself to live permanently in the United States if you felt like it.

But before they leave, I do hope that all of these citizens of foreign lands hold a big party for you and Rubio and Jeb and all of the other enablers.

They owe you, for without enablers the laws that they break on a daily basis might be enforced and they would have had to return to their home countries long ago. But thanks to enablers they can stay and get all kinds of free stuff courtesy of unwitting American citizens. Who says America isn’t the greatest?!


49 posted on 01/19/2013 10:39:35 AM PST by Pelham (Treason, it's not just for Democrats anymore.)
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To: Pelham
It's unfortunate that you've chosen to distort my words and intentions in order to prop up your weak case for mass deportation of 12 million illegal aliens, 3 times the entire population of Los Angeles, as if they could be easily identified, captured and held without any problem and would meekly submit to being deported back to the hellhole they came from. Seriously?

It's nothing new that some parochial Freepers refuse to face reality on this issue and resort to issuing snarky insults and ridiculous accusations when ranting is so much easier. I've stated realities while you chose to chase fantasies of deporting 12 million illegal aliens as if that were just a walk in the park if only we had the guts to do it. This kind of intransigent refusal to face reality and, instead, substitute insults, slogans, posturing and simplistic responses to a complicated problem is why the illegal immigration issue never gets solved but the illegals keep coming, by the thousands.

Rubio has a plausible plan and all his detractors can do is call him names or instantly label any plan to deal with illegal immigration as 'amnesty', whether it comes close to that, or not. I'm sure a carefully nurtured belligerent attitude toward any mention of anything short of instant deportation for all illegals is quite comforting to those who substitute pointless insults for reasoned discussion of a thorny problem facing our nation. That being the case, flail away if you wish but I'm done arguing with insular thinking that is, ultimately, futile for all concerned as we are just talking past each other and going nowhere. Well, I'm going somewhere - to more interesting threads. Bye.

50 posted on 01/19/2013 12:33:53 PM PST by Jim Scott
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