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Political Insiders: Republicans Divided on How to Address Gay Marriage [retread troll zot]
National Journal ^ | January 10, 2013 | Alex Roarty, Naureen Khan and Peter Bell

Posted on 01/17/2013 10:44:03 AM PST by Brightitude

DEMOCRATS (109 VOTES)
My party should support it: 97%
My party should oppose it: 0%
My party should avoid the issue: 2%
Other: 1%

"Marriage equality is a vote-getter for Democrats and a vote-loser for the party of the last century, the Republicans."

"More and more states are adopting marriage equality, and it is time for the U.S.A. to lead on this issue."

"No issue has changed more dramatically than support for gay marriage over the last 10 years. In 20 years, it won't even be an issue."

"It's a nonissue. Americans support the concept. Let's move on!"...

REPUBLICANS (99 VOTES)
My party should support it: 27%
My party should oppose it: 11%
My party should avoid the issue: 48%
Other: 14%

"Wouldn't it be fascinating if, for once, the Republicans were on the front side of a historic wave, rather than thrashed around in the undertow?"

"There is a conservative case in favor of gay marriage that can easily be made around the issues of smaller government and lower taxes."

"We can't be a party that supports a zone of personal freedom and then try to use federal power to curtail it. Plus, we increasingly look prejudiced, and not a little stupid, on this issue."...

(Excerpt) Read more at nationaljournal.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: civilrights; culturewars; gaymarriage; gayrights; homoagenda; homosexualagenda; samesexmarriage; zot
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1 posted on 01/17/2013 10:44:14 AM PST by Brightitude
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To: Brightitude

So, what do you think of homosexual “marriage?”


2 posted on 01/17/2013 10:46:07 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Brightitude

Tbe GOP is going to need to maneuver quickly to get ahead of the shifting cultural currents on this issue.


3 posted on 01/17/2013 10:48:08 AM PST by Brightitude
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To: Brightitude

Hammer
Hammer Stroke
Hammer Stroke Shake

4 posted on 01/17/2013 10:49:25 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (Better safe than sorry.)
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To: Brightitude

Talking to yourself is a sign of impending mental collapse.


5 posted on 01/17/2013 10:49:41 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Brightitude

How about “the Republican Party doesn’t give a smelly Obama about gay marriage?”

After all, are not the gays interested primarily in “smelly Obamas?”


6 posted on 01/17/2013 10:49:58 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Brightitude

To Cave or Not to Cave? That is the question.


7 posted on 01/17/2013 10:50:09 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Darksheare

This forum doesn’t appear to have any “edit post” function — that problem arose on another thread, too, where I accidentally cut out a character and changed “mass” to “ass”.


8 posted on 01/17/2013 10:51:31 AM PST by Brightitude
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To: Brightitude
Here's a better poll for you to try out:

Should two men who commonly have anal sex with each other be honored and esteemed by society as the moral equivalent of husband and wife?

Let's cut the bull-crap here, ok?
9 posted on 01/17/2013 10:52:26 AM PST by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Brightitude

We also have a spelling chicken button, it pecks your post to death andthen clucks in satisfaction.

What do you think of homosexual “marriage”?


10 posted on 01/17/2013 10:53:17 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Brightitude
that problem arose on another thread, too, where I accidentally cut out a character and changed “mass” to “ass”.

 

Ass abuse. That is a common malady amongst FR newbie trolls.

11 posted on 01/17/2013 10:55:49 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Darksheare

So, what do you think of homosexual “marriage?”

I think it should be incorporated into Obama’s gun law, and considered a mental deficiency, thus not allowing them to purchase firearms of any kind. It should also be published in all newspapers where “married” homosexuals live for the safety of children who may live nearby.


12 posted on 01/17/2013 10:56:10 AM PST by sanjuanbob
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To: Antoninus

The issue before us is of government policy, not social conduct. The two are distinct, notwithstanding various attempts of totalitarian political ideologies to tear down the firewall between them.


13 posted on 01/17/2013 10:56:24 AM PST by Brightitude
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To: Brightitude
There is a conservative case in favor of gay marriage that can easily be made around the issues of smaller government and lower taxes.”

“We can't be a party that supports a zone of personal freedom and then try to use federal power to curtail it.

This is a classic Libertarian/Statist Dicotomy
The Natural extension, in this context, is that family unit existence is a Contract Law issue, not a Federal Law issue.

The Federal Government, in this context, would not regulate it at all. Secondary contracts (Insurance, Education, Health, etc.) would be a matter of contract law, or locally regulated and managed.

Republicans are deeply split between Statist and Libertarian approaches, and the Libs are laughing at us

14 posted on 01/17/2013 10:59:27 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Darksheare
What do you think of homosexual “marriage”?

Probably prudent for the party to avoid the issue until they can find a face-saving way of getting in line with current public opinion.

We need to save our ammo for fights on issues that can be won (RKBA, spending).

15 posted on 01/17/2013 11:00:39 AM PST by Brightitude
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To: Brightitude

“Probably prudent for the party to avoid the issue until they can find a face-saving way of getting in line with current public opinion.”

o_O

True public opinion or teh manufactured for primetime public opinion?
Public opinion was against homosexuals in the military, yet it got shoved down our throats.


16 posted on 01/17/2013 11:03:26 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Brightitude

And there ya have it. You are pro-same sex marriage as it is “prudent for the party”.


17 posted on 01/17/2013 11:05:45 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Brightitude
We need to save our ammo for fights on issues that can be won

We need to save our ammo for fights on issues that MUST be won (correction)

Financial Armageddon will kill tens of millions while we argue about gun control / Gays / pick your distraction

18 posted on 01/17/2013 11:07:10 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: Brightitude

Here’s the message for the insiders-Us, outsiders, say Leave the damn topic and discussing this as it should be. No to gay marriage. No, not tonight, no, to tomorrow. Let the democrats push their continuance of this issue of the decline to our culture. It’s their agenda. Not the republican platform. Don’t assist that agenda. Hello. Enough, move on. If they change on his one issue, they are done. Do you understand, Gop. People support one man one woman marriage. Accept that. Tolerate our upbringings, our traditions-Simple understanding. It’s our belief in God. What is next-putting people in rooms to brainwash them/you must conform to this. We have a right for own expression of thought. Stop making the citizen out to be the problem. One having thoughts is not illegal.


19 posted on 01/17/2013 11:09:37 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: Brightitude; Jim Robinson
What do you think of homosexual “marriage”?

Probably prudent for the party to avoid the issue until they can find a face-saving way of getting in line with current public opinion.

Yes, I'm calling the boss in on this. Current public opinion on the subject of sodomite marriage is of no consequence. Free Republic standards are violated where there's any defense, however mild or masked, of the homosexual agenda. Jim Robinson makes it clear:

We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism...

Avoiding the issue while awaiting the whims of "current public opinion" is not advocating either Conservative or Christian values. And this is a Conservative site not a GOP forum.

20 posted on 01/17/2013 11:12:29 AM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Darksheare

Bummer.

His ass abusing thread got the zot.

I expect this thread will be history before I can even hit send.


21 posted on 01/17/2013 11:12:44 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Brightitude






22 posted on 01/17/2013 11:13:01 AM PST by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: Brightitude
LOL, are you one of those atheists who call himself a "Bright?"

Those guys make me laugh.

23 posted on 01/17/2013 11:15:04 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yeah, saw the “No Thanks” sign.


24 posted on 01/17/2013 11:15:34 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Brightitude

Homosexual marriage will mark the death of our nation.


25 posted on 01/17/2013 11:17:10 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Brightitude

Figure homo marriage is 100X more disgusting than marrying your cousin and let the white trash homos know it.


26 posted on 01/17/2013 11:17:25 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Darksheare

Brightitude = Zotitude.

In other words.... He’s dead, Jim.


27 posted on 01/17/2013 11:17:25 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Brightitude
LOL, moron.

If they're so distinct, then why all the lefty "government policy" that enforces "social conduct."

You do know that the government's institution of homo marriage is the freedom-limiting act here, don't you?

28 posted on 01/17/2013 11:18:32 AM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Noticed that too.
Shortly after the “no Thanks”.
I think they let Clucks McDrumstick peck him to death in the backroom.
*shudder*
Dreadful.


29 posted on 01/17/2013 11:20:23 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Darksheare

What do I think?

I thinks it’s Bullsh*t.

If I am alive in twenty years I will still think Homosexuals are some sick individuals that don’t need marriage but counseling.

Two people Fudge packing or Jilling each other off have no need to be married. The sex act they do is not a natural act.I am simply astonished by the amount of people who feel sorry for these perverted people and want to make their sickness acceptable .

Certainly there are some —many—very nice Homosexuals, but their sexual pratices are deviant. Worse, they are contaminating more and more people every day.


30 posted on 01/17/2013 11:22:12 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Brightitude

Tearing down 5000 years of civilization to mimic what occurred in Sodom, Gomorrah, and Ancient Rome to placate a gaggle of rimmers and felchers is hardly shifting forward. Why go backward?


31 posted on 01/17/2013 11:22:45 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Darksheare; Brightitude

Aw, c’mon, Dark, give the n00b a break.

Or not.


32 posted on 01/17/2013 11:23:31 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Brightitude; 50mm; TheOldLady; darkwing104; Norm Lenhart

33 posted on 01/17/2013 11:23:55 AM PST by Bikkuri (Hope for Conservative push in the next 2-4 years..........)
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To: Venturer

The thread originator didn’t want to answer teh question.
Odd.

But then he posted post 3 and 15.
Hmmmm...


34 posted on 01/17/2013 11:24:50 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Colonel_Flagg; Brightitude

Break the Newb?
I think that already happened.
Any incoherence, however in response to me, is merely coincidental.


35 posted on 01/17/2013 11:25:59 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Brightitude

The civilized world can’t condone unhealthy behavior where male deviants practice coprophagic behavior, fecal-oral transmission of a myriad of diseases, and attack young boys.


36 posted on 01/17/2013 11:27:06 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Brightitude
Correct Way To Address Homo Marriage Couplings:

"Hey, perverts."


37 posted on 01/17/2013 11:30:14 AM PST by Iron Munro (I Miss America, don't you?)
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To: Brightitude
The issue before us is of government policy, not social conduct. The two are distinct, notwithstanding various attempts of totalitarian political ideologies to tear down the firewall between them.

A totalitarian ideology is one that insists that a tiny perverse fragment of the population should have the ability to enforce its will, language and culture on the entirety of the population.

The pillow-biters and their stooges in government, academe and media have done a fine job spreading their propaganda and convincing large numbers of people that the "gay" lifestyle is reasonable. But an argument based on a lie will eventually come crashing down. Just so with the lie that two sodomites are the moral equivalent of man and wife. As with the abortion issue, billions will have to be spent each year on indoctrination to keep the masses from remembering that homosexual acts are vile, filthy, disease vectors and soul-destroying, for such knowledge is written on the human heart and can never be eradicated.
38 posted on 01/17/2013 11:36:32 AM PST by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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To: Brightitude

Your entire post with your shared comments are indoctrination in itself. For years, the tactics, is to make this behavior seem normal by the liberals. How people can truly say that 2 people of the same sex doing acts with their bodies is not a problem. What you do in your private life is none of my business unless you are bringing a small child into those acts of behavior. Keep on pushing the issue and maybe it will turn in a direction of children’s rights. It’s a disgrace that young boys and girls are being hunted down and indoctrinated with this because this behavior wants acceptance. Pushing the marriage will be your agenda’s downfall because this never has worked.


39 posted on 01/17/2013 11:54:08 AM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: Brightitude

You might as well ask if the Republican party should “get out front” about consuming feces.


40 posted on 01/17/2013 11:57:34 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Antoninus; Brightitude

What Brightitude and liberals fail to understand is that IF they offer “moral equivalence of a marriage between a man and a woman” to homosexual pairing, they will then have to offer said equivalence to other pairings as well.
Like, human and animal, adult and adolescent etc etc to way beyond the point of bereftness of any sense or seeming reality.
[”I wanna marry my toaster!” Yes, that could happen eventually if this road is followed.]


41 posted on 01/17/2013 11:57:41 AM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Christie at the beach
You had me agreeing with you here.... How people can truly say that 2 people of the same sex doing acts with their bodies is not a problem.

But I'm in disagreement with you here.   What you do in your private life is none of my business unless you are bringing a small child into those acts of behavior.

42 posted on 01/17/2013 12:01:29 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Brightitude
Please read Muzzling Military Chaplains.
43 posted on 01/17/2013 12:03:40 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Responsibility2nd
->>ut I'm in disagreement with you here. What you do in your private life is none of my business

If they do things in their lives that I know nothing of, it's their home, their space. I am not about to go into a person's home with a camera. That is over stepping. When they take this issue public, that's different.

44 posted on 01/17/2013 12:05:08 PM PST by Christie at the beach (I like Newt. Our nation's foundation is under attack.)
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To: Brightitude

I don’t believe this article. This is a liberal publication. If the Republicans endorse gay marriage, they are finished as party. And why does anyone encourage a lifestyle that is basically unhealthy, or to be more explicit, how can sodomy be healthy?


45 posted on 01/17/2013 12:05:31 PM PST by Essie
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To: Brightitude

Anyone who thinks there is such an unnatural relationship as homosexual marriage advocates immorality.


46 posted on 01/17/2013 12:07:28 PM PST by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: Darksheare

And it gets worse.

If we as a nation have to accept and endorse gay marriages, then we will lose any religous freedom to take a stand against gay marriages.

It’s common practice in England and Europe for courts to force Christians to tolerate this stuff.

And its happening in the US as well.

Christian Photographers to Appeal Decision Forcing Them to Cover Gay Marriages

Read more at http://global.christianpost.com/news/christian-photographers-lawyers-to-appeal-decision-forcing-gay-marriage-services-76278/#4V0rzogbzyLkVZz6.99


47 posted on 01/17/2013 12:09:13 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

We no longer have Freedom of Religion.
We no longer can peacably assemble.
We no longer can speak our minds or protest the government for fear of censure at our jobs or even harrassment from the organs of the state.


48 posted on 01/17/2013 12:11:26 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Christie at the beach

There was a time when all 50 states had Sodomy laws on the books. It was a great time for America. I know. I lived in those times.

Call me a homophobe, or anachronistic, or out of my mind or worse.

But I would to God that we could return to those times.


49 posted on 01/17/2013 12:13:41 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Darksheare

And - as events this week foretell - we soon will have no 2nd Amendment rights that we rely on to peacably protect ourselves.

And if the 2nd goes... all the rest of ‘em are going as well. I read yesterday that the 2nd Amendment is the foundation that the other 9 depend on.

How true.


50 posted on 01/17/2013 12:17:11 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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