Political Insiders: Republicans Divided on How to Address Gay Marriage [retread troll zot]

National Journal ^ | January 10, 2013 | Alex Roarty, Naureen Khan and Peter Bell

[Brightitude]

DEMOCRATS (109 VOTES)
My party should support it: 97%
My party should oppose it: 0%
My party should avoid the issue: 2%
Other: 1%

"Marriage equality is a vote-getter for Democrats and a vote-loser for the party of the last century, the Republicans."

"More and more states are adopting marriage equality, and it is time for the U.S.A. to lead on this issue."

"No issue has changed more dramatically than support for gay marriage over the last 10 years. In 20 years, it won't even be an issue."

"It's a nonissue. Americans support the concept. Let's move on!"...

REPUBLICANS (99 VOTES)
My party should support it: 27%
My party should oppose it: 11%
My party should avoid the issue: 48%
Other: 14%

"Wouldn't it be fascinating if, for once, the Republicans were on the front side of a historic wave, rather than thrashed around in the undertow?"

"There is a conservative case in favor of gay marriage that can easily be made around the issues of smaller government and lower taxes."

"We can't be a party that supports a zone of personal freedom and then try to use federal power to curtail it. Plus, we increasingly look prejudiced, and not a little stupid, on this issue."...

[Darksheare]

What Brightitude and liberals fail to understand is that IF they offer “moral equivalence of a marriage between a man and a woman” to homosexual pairing, they will then have to offer said equivalence to other pairings as well.
Like, human and animal, adult and adolescent etc etc to way beyond the point of bereftness of any sense or seeming reality.
[”I wanna marry my toaster!” Yes, that could happen eventually if this road is followed.]

[Responsibility2nd]

You had me agreeing with you here.... How people can truly say that 2 people of the same sex doing acts with their bodies is not a problem.

But I'm in disagreement with you here.   What you do in your private life is none of my business unless you are bringing a small child into those acts of behavior.

[Yosemitest]

Please read Muzzling Military Chaplains.

" ... How long before the Army’s Office of the Chief of Chaplains requires vetting of all sermons on homosexuality?

At Maoist-style reeducation sessions, soldiers and chaplains have already been told that
“You remain obligated to follow orders that involve interaction with others who are homosexual
even if an unwillingness to do so is based on strong, sincerely held moral or religious beliefs.”

Also, it is not even clear if military chaplains control who speaks from their pulpits.
It is likely that they will have to turn them over to other ministers preaching at gay nuptials whenever the Pentagon so decrees.
A September 2011 memo from DOD general counsel Johnson indicates
that any chapel space on a military base can be appropriated for gay weddings, which is a blatant violation of the Defense of Marriage Act.
“Determinations” of chapel space, he wrote, “should be made on a sexual-orientation neutral basis.”
By 2011, in open defiance of DOMA, the military authorized ministerial training for gay marriage ceremonies on military bases.

Considering himself very generous and tolerant, Obama has said that he would never force a priest or minister to preside at a gay wedding.
This is an absurdly low guarantee of religious freedom.
But there is no reason to suppose that he will even honor that low standard, given that he sees such a stance as discriminatory.
In time, pressure, both direct and indirect, will be brought to bear on non-participating ministers. Even their silence will be seen as a hate crime.
Careers will rise or fall depending upon the level of one’s participation in the promotion of gay rights.

The “LGBT” community will no doubt frame the issue as one of “access”:
How can a gay soldier have a right to marry on a military base if military chaplains are free to refuse to marry them?
At last year’s first gay wedding at West Point, the lesbian couple complained to the press that none of the ministers on campus agreed to marry them,
so they had to fly a chaplain in from elsewhere.

Using the “access” argument, Obama scotched Bush-era conscience protections for pro-life Christian doctors working at federal hospitals.
They are required to distribute abortifacients whether they like it or not.
When the time is right, Obama will use the same “access” argument to require ministerial participation in gay weddings.

Keeping this option open, Obama last week announced that he will disobey a provision protecting chaplains
which Republicans included in the national defense authorization bill he signed.
The provision states that the religious views of a soldier cannot be
“the basis of any adverse personnel action, discrimination or denial of promotion, schooling, training or assignment,”
and that chaplains cannot be forced
“to perform any rite, ritual or ceremony that is contrary to the conscience, moral principles or religious beliefs of the chaplain.”

Just as Obama refuses to enforce the Defense of Marriage Act, so he promises to ignore this provision, as he said in his signing statement, calling it “unnecessary and ill-advised.”
He added that he will not let it slow down his gay-rights agenda:
“My Administration remains fully committed to continuing the successful implementation of the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,
and to protecting the rights of gay and lesbian service members; Section 533 will not alter that.”

Obama won’t promise to protect these military chaplains
for the simple reason that he views them as the moral equivalent of segregationists.
Chai Feldblum, one of Obama’s commissioners on the EEOC, has written
that the state, acting in the name of nondiscrimination, enjoys an absolute right to violate the religious freedom of Christians:
“Just as we do not tolerate private racial beliefs that adversely affect African-Americans in the commercial arena,
even if such beliefs are based on religious views,
we should similarly not tolerate private beliefs about sexual orientation and gender identity that adversely affect LGBT people.”

That’s the essential view animating all of Obama’s policies related to Christianity.
Under this secularist dogmatism, Christianity has no public rights.
Freedom, as Feldblum puts it, is a “zero sum game” in which the religious deserve to lose. "

People who trust Jesus and His Heavenly Father need nto get out of the U.S. military NOW, today!
Pray to our Heavenly Father to turn Barack Hussein Obama II over to Satan
"... for the destruction of the flesh,
that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."

Obama is INTENTIONALLY DESTROYING the U.S. Military.
Obama is NOT Christian. He's MUSLIM.

Didn't our Heavenly Father, through our Savior tell us...
" thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother."

How well we deserve this curse (~so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things~) God has given us,
through the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF, the FASCIST Obama.

Barack Hussein Obama II IS a Muslim.
His actions prove it.
To believe Barack Hussein Obama II, when he claims to be a Christian, is to trust Satan.
Muslims are well know for lying about their faith.

MUSLIMS are allowed to LIE and deceive NON MUSLIMS, if it benefits or protects ISLAM.
Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves."

Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway.

Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers.

Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts"

Qur'an (66:2) - "Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths"

Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means deceit. If Allah is deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21)

Taken collectively these verses are interpreted to mean that there are circumstances when a Muslim may be "compelled" to deceive others for a greater purpose.
Posted by Atheist


For a better understanding of the issue, read HISTORY of Mohammed ( spelled variously; Mahomet, Muhammed, Mehmet, etc. ).

Those who support homosexuals are against our Heavenly Father and His Son Jesus Christ.
These anti Christ people only bring destruction on us ALL.
I have NO sympathy for homosexuals!

Homosexuality is a "Mark" of disobedience.
It was given by our Heavenly Father to test us
to see ... if we will OBEY our Heavenly Father,
and abide by His commandments, statues, and ordinances.

Someone once asked
"Why are they [homosexuals] all so angry?"
The answer is in the definition of "REPROBATE".
rep·ro·bate \ˈre-prə-ˌbāt\ a. [L. reprobatus, reprobo, to disallow; re and probo, to prove.]

1. Not enduring proof or trial; not of standard purity or fineness; disallowed; rejected.


Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them. Jer. 6.




2. Abandoned in sin; lost to virtue or grace.

They profess that they know God, but in works deny him, being abominable and disobedient, and to every good work reprobate. Titus 1.

3. Abandoned to error, or in apostasy. 2Tim. 3.

And the reason"why" is given in the Bible.

God has a cure for homosexuals.
But will we OBEY our Heavenly Father?

[Christie at the beach]

->>ut I'm in disagreement with you here. What you do in your private life is none of my business

If they do things in their lives that I know nothing of, it's their home, their space. I am not about to go into a person's home with a camera. That is over stepping. When they take this issue public, that's different.

[Essie]

I don’t believe this article. This is a liberal publication. If the Republicans endorse gay marriage, they are finished as party. And why does anyone encourage a lifestyle that is basically unhealthy, or to be more explicit, how can sodomy be healthy?

[ex-snook]

Anyone who thinks there is such an unnatural relationship as homosexual marriage advocates immorality.

[Responsibility2nd]

And it gets worse.

If we as a nation have to accept and endorse gay marriages, then we will lose any religous freedom to take a stand against gay marriages.

It’s common practice in England and Europe for courts to force Christians to tolerate this stuff.

And its happening in the US as well.

Christian Photographers to Appeal Decision Forcing Them to Cover Gay Marriages

Read more at http://global.christianpost.com/news/christian-photographers-lawyers-to-appeal-decision-forcing-gay-marriage-services-76278/#4V0rzogbzyLkVZz6.99

[Darksheare]

We no longer have Freedom of Religion.
We no longer can peacably assemble.
We no longer can speak our minds or protest the government for fear of censure at our jobs or even harrassment from the organs of the state.

[Responsibility2nd]

There was a time when all 50 states had Sodomy laws on the books. It was a great time for America. I know. I lived in those times.

Call me a homophobe, or anachronistic, or out of my mind or worse.

But I would to God that we could return to those times.

[Responsibility2nd]

And - as events this week foretell - we soon will have no 2nd Amendment rights that we rely on to peacably protect ourselves.

And if the 2nd goes... all the rest of ‘em are going as well. I read yesterday that the 2nd Amendment is the foundation that the other 9 depend on.

How true.

[Darksheare]

That is true.
The Founders viewed the 2nd Amendment as the guarantor of the rest.

[Colonel_Flagg]

“He’s no fun, he fell right over.”

< /Firesign Theatre>

[Christie at the beach]

It is very difficult to endure what is happening in our society; to peacefully enjoy ones life if you are committed to God's word. These times are upside down. We all have to be strong to our faith, caring people too, and by thinking/knowing that we are not the problem. We are being pounded by the academics, the media, the politicians worldwide to attack our faith. Mature people who decide to go along are weak. Kids are weak, not mature, so they are being sought after for conform. These politicians we look up to (since they have the power), have the weight of our culture on them. So, here comes more attacks and indoctrination from this original poster to use these tactics on weak republicans.

[mrsmel]

Oh, you mean become Democrat-lite? Who the heck needs two parties anyway, all of us should support deviance and perversion once the larger culture deems it acceptable? Should the GOP also be in the vanguard of celebrating pedophilia, there are groups out there now, just as long ago in the sodomite movement, supporting this, should the right be out front so as not to look like a lot of fuddy-duddys? That’s the important thing, right, not having convictions and the courage to stand by thm?

[Responsibility2nd]

You are absolutely right. And while I acknowledge its dangerous to have a government with so much power as to actually have laws pertaining to what you can do in the privacy of your own bedroom, I still maintain BASED ON ACTUAL US HISTORY that a return to Sodomy laws are essential and necessary things that can save this country.

Other things are an end to abortion, an end to the social welfare state, and a restoration of trust and faith in our government based on Godly and moral leaders.

Unless and untill we return America to the glory years we once knew, we will just be spinning our wheels regarding debt, unemployment, welfare, immigration, and all other social and economic issues.

[Tax-chick]

You probably won’t be surprised at the zappity demise of this poster from earlier in the week.

Amusing thread ... Darksheare is on a roll.

[TheOldLady]

So long, Brightitude (Posting History)
Hat Tip to re_nortex and Bikkuri
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[luvie]

The Kitties are really on the prowl today! :)

[Mrs. Don-o]

This was well said.

[Bikkuri]

homosexuality is a dead end - every pun you can possibly think of intended