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Obama Playing Chicken with American Men
American Thinker ^ | 1/18/13 | Daren Jonescu

Posted on 01/18/2013 4:00:59 AM PST by Evil Slayer

The Obama administration's current warpath against so-called "gun violence" -- which is Newspeak for non-violence committed by non-criminals with their non-illegal private property -- is a brazen challenge to America's manhood. The progressives have apparently decided that this is the moment when they can play their ultimate authoritarian hand, and let the chips fall where they may. They believe, in other words, that this is the moment when they may be able to break America at last, one way or another.

Through Obama's forceful, smug insistence on taking action in defiance of Congress, along with the aggressive urging to do so from his sycophants in the progressive elite -- from the vice president and the senate majority leader on down -- the leftists are engaging in a game of chicken with the American spirit that is disturbing both for its immediate intentions and for its revelation of their thought process and game plan.

In light of the well-known fact that their proposals and trial balloons will be judged by millions of Americans to be an outright violation of constitutionally protected liberties -- and liberties of the most emotionally trenchant nature, namely those related to the very foundations of limited government -- the progressives' deliberate projection of haste and intransigence on gun control must not merely be taken at face value, and judged on its "merits." It must also be interpreted -- in other words, one must ask precisely what they are hoping to achieve by attacking the most deeply held principles of so many Americans in such a heavy-handed fashion.

It seems to me that there are two plausible interpretations of their open chastisement of "all this debate" over Second Amendment concerns, i.e., their boisterous spitting upon the U.S. Constitution.

The first option is that they believe the citizenry of

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment

1 posted on 01/18/2013 4:01:03 AM PST by Evil Slayer
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To: Evil Slayer

The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves.
George Washington


2 posted on 01/18/2013 4:06:23 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Evil Slayer
I started a thread here, this morning that intrigued me for it's obvious comparison to today, and this thread just begs Thomas Paine's words;

"But as the same constitution which gives the Commons a power to check the King by withholding the supplies, gives afterwards the King a power to check the Commons, by empowering him to reject their other bills; it again supposes that the King is wiser than those whom it has already supposed to be wiser than him. A mere absurdity!"

3 posted on 01/18/2013 4:10:36 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: listenhillary

Yes.


4 posted on 01/18/2013 4:14:08 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Evil Slayer

The writer seems to dismiss women with the title of this piece.

“The challenge facing the men of America — not the mere “males,” but the men — is becoming clearer, starker, and more essential every day.”

Women are arming themselves. What about them? Do they not count?


5 posted on 01/18/2013 4:14:34 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Evil Slayer
That sissy metro-sexual against American Men?

That's going to turn out well...

6 posted on 01/18/2013 4:15:11 AM PST by grobdriver (Sic semper tyrannis!)
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To: Evil Slayer

Absolutely, stunning, totally-true article about the situation. Wow. This is a must read and needs to get to Rush Limbaugh and every other conservative talk-show host for mention as soon as possible.


7 posted on 01/18/2013 4:19:26 AM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Evil Slayer

The postulation works both ways:

If Americans are too chicken to fight against federal gestapo thugs, then those same Americans are too chicken to pound on doors and demand that people surrender their weapons.

Nobody can guess what will happen until it happens. It’s all conjecture.

The only American example we have of what happens when the federal government declares war on its citizens is the Civil War when the army broke in two and we had a war.

The other example we can look at is Libya. When Kaddhafi ordered his army to attack Libyans, more than 75% deserted and returned to their provinces to protect their families. Kaddhafi and his elite mercenaries ended up dead after the deserters joined with the provincial militias and wiped them out.


8 posted on 01/18/2013 4:34:24 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Evil Slayer

I will stand alone and fight tyranny if need be.

LLS


9 posted on 01/18/2013 4:37:04 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: Evil Slayer; listenhillary; knarf

At least somebody’s willing (and so far, still able) to talk about the problem.


10 posted on 01/18/2013 4:38:07 AM PST by Hardastarboard (The Liberal ruling class hates me. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: Evil Slayer

If so-called “conservatives” aren’t drawing up impeachment documents, they should be.

Hundreds of thousands of Americans have died fighting for the freedoms that we are allowing the Left to take away during this un-American president’s tenure in office. Shame on the U.S. for allowing this small group of Marxist revolutionaries to take over our country without firing a shot.

The fight to keep and bear arms is the hill to die on. It is the bedrock of individual rights in this country.


11 posted on 01/18/2013 4:43:40 AM PST by txrefugee
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To: grobdriver

“That sissy metro-sexual against American Men?”

No—hussein is using children as his “card” this time in order to garner sympathy from a majority of people who have no education or understanding of history and/or the Constitution.


12 posted on 01/18/2013 4:43:58 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: sergeantdave
If Americans are too chicken to fight against federal gestapo thugs, then those same Americans are too chicken to pound on doors and demand that people surrender their weapons.

I worry about that. At the most simplistic level, all political systems are either Collectivist or Individualist. Socialists, Communists, Fascists, and Democrats are all Collectivists. There are few examples of Individualists systems -- what we are trying to preserve is perhaps the only one.

Men in a collective can do very bad things -- peer pressure, shared, guilt, whatever. Groups do things that individuals will not do (are unwilling to do). Will a group of cowards pound on a door and take away a father from a screaming family? Yes, a group of cowards will do that -- because they are a group.

So the question is: Will an individual stand strong against tyranny, even when it travels in packs? Some indivuals will, certainly. But as many men have become neutered, the pool of courageous individuals declines -- but the mass of cowardly group-thinkers who will do anything they are told to do is probably about as large as ever. That's bad.

13 posted on 01/18/2013 4:46:44 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: Evil Slayer
False bravado fades fast when you are looking down a loaded weapon.

It is gut check time.

14 posted on 01/18/2013 4:53:39 AM PST by Aevery_Freeman (Proud Thought Criminal since 1984)
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To: Evil Slayer

Article seems to have been pulled...


15 posted on 01/18/2013 5:03:04 AM PST by NCjim (Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.)
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To: listenhillary

They are, in the majority, already on Obama’s side. Women, esp. single women, pretty much elected him.


16 posted on 01/18/2013 5:17:29 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“I worry about that. At the most simplistic level, all political systems are either Collectivist or Individualist.”

Good point. What Americans fear is that they will need to stand alone if confiscation starts, but back up that individual with a dozen men and the recipe changes - strength in numbers.

Conservatives, at present, are crap at organizing. But once they get going, there are none better.

There’s legislation going forward in some states to arrest and disarm federal fascists. When the individuals states band together and pledge to back individual citizens, then we have another different scenario. I’ve never seen this before, and patriots are running for state legislative seats that will make this happen. We have one individual running for a special election state house seat. His platform is resistance to the federal government, and he’ll likely win the election.


17 posted on 01/18/2013 5:37:25 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Many who are older will see there is nothing to lose when the other option is living under the thumb of government tyranny with the sheep that are left.

There are others that will lick the hand that feeds them.


18 posted on 01/18/2013 5:44:06 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Evil Slayer

Gun Violence is a euphemism for Gun Ownership, which is what the left wants to restrict, for obvious reasons.

In case any of you were not aware, Ruger has a feature on their website right now that allows you to send a message to your elected representatives with a few mouse clicks.

To wit: http://ruger.com/micros/advocacy/


19 posted on 01/18/2013 5:44:30 AM PST by Disambiguator (Gun ownership is pro-life.)
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To: NCjim

Article still there.


20 posted on 01/18/2013 5:46:00 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: Evil Slayer

[Joke] Nobody here can stand up to A-10’s and the O-Hole’s new LGBT battalions won’t hesitate to use them on you “clingers” The fact is ... and I’m not advocating anything just stating the obvious, that these A$$holes’ can be beat with Ruger 10-22’s ... hope you have enough candles ... January Sale at IKEA and get some meatball’s too ... lol [End Joke]


21 posted on 01/18/2013 5:46:07 AM PST by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: sergeantdave
"The other example we can look at is Libya. When Kaddhafi ordered his army to attack Libyans, more than 75% deserted and returned to their provinces to protect their families. Kaddhafi and his elite mercenaries ended up dead after the deserters joined with the provincial militias and wiped them out."

Kaddafi ended up dead after Obama intervened with air power, weapons, technical support, and covert boots on the ground. Without that intervention, Kadaffi would likely still be in power.

22 posted on 01/18/2013 5:46:45 AM PST by Truth29
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To: LibLieSlayer
I will stand alone and fight tyranny if need be.

You've got a friend in me, LLS. I'll fight from the same foxholes if it means knowing that my brother is a FReeper.

23 posted on 01/18/2013 5:50:07 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: listenhillary

That ship has sailed and most males, I hate to refer to them as “men” have made their choice. As demonestrated by the results of the 2008 and 2012 elections, their choice was,”Enslave me dear leader,I wish to lick your boots and kiss your ass forever”. Makes me physically sick every time i think about it.


24 posted on 01/18/2013 5:52:01 AM PST by sport
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To: alphadog
O-Hole’s new LGBT battalions

I hate to be branded a "racist," but I'm going to say this out of respect to the truth:

You all know damn well that this won't be a matter of us fighting against a few PC fag officers in the Army/Navy or some boot-wearing lesbians in APCs.

This fight will be white vs. black. You have the overwhelming majority of blacks voting for Obama because he's black. Obama's and Holder's legions will take their marching orders from their Fuhrer because he's their sugar daddy. He's promising THEM riches and redistribution. White people aren't any part of his plan, you can bet on that, and the people knocking on your doors won't be LEOs serving search warrants. They will be heavily-armed ghetto thugs, trained on the streets in the art of gang-banging, utilizing government-provided weapons to "kill whitey."

This exonerates governments from being involved. They can just chalk it up to "gang violence," and they get guns out of the hands of the "bitter clingers."

The one very short-sighted issue with this: blacks are still a population minority. At some point white people will realize they are targets and will cease tolerating racist home invasions.

Make no mistake, Obama and Holder are fomenting a race war in this country.

25 posted on 01/18/2013 6:09:24 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Evil Slayer

When will the American men get tired of being pushed around by this wretched homosexual pansy? I guess the answer is that there aren’t many “men” left in America. The rest of them are too busy with their mani-pedis, applying lotions, sipping fat-free lattes, etc.


26 posted on 01/18/2013 6:11:19 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: Evil Slayer

TO ALL, FYI;
Please use the correct terms;
1. The revolutionary war is correctly termed;
2. The forces of the O-Hole are counter- revolutionary;
3. A reactionary is an individual that holds political viewpoints which cause them to seek to return to a previous state; a restoration of the founders intent.
4. CWII is incorrect;
5. The coming troubles … god forbid … should be called “The War of Restoration”
End information bulletin; alphadog is done barking.


27 posted on 01/18/2013 6:14:46 AM PST by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: MayflowerMadam
According to an ABC News/Washington Post poll taken last week, Obama trails Romney among white men with college degrees by 13 points, 55 to 42 percent. This is comparable to ’08, when Obama also secured 42 percent of the college-educated white male vote. But with non-college-educated white men, Obama runs 29 points behind Romney in the ABC/WaPo survey, 61 to 32 percent. Pew also has him at 32 percent with these voters – 7 points worse than he fared with them in ’08. This is the source of the male portion of the gender gap.
28 posted on 01/18/2013 6:25:40 AM PST by skeeter
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To: skeeter

Excerpted from a Salon article last April.


29 posted on 01/18/2013 6:26:37 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Truth29

I was working as an independent contractor for an Israeli company when the Libyan civil war broke out. You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.


30 posted on 01/18/2013 6:28:31 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: rarestia

Your no racist when you speak the truth ... Didn’t the Obama-Phone-Zombies’ [hereafter OPZ’s] threaten to kill whitey if someone decent got elected?


31 posted on 01/18/2013 6:31:26 AM PST by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: listenhillary

There is a $hit load of older(wiser and informed ) people out there and many are waiting for an excuse.


32 posted on 01/18/2013 6:41:25 AM PST by Renegade
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To: listenhillary
Yes... like the 97% of Americans that bowed down to king george and refused to stand up against tyranny. Washington didn't need them and neither do we.

LLS

33 posted on 01/18/2013 6:42:58 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: alphadog

Tell that to the Afgans who kicked USSR a$$.


34 posted on 01/18/2013 6:43:20 AM PST by Renegade
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To: Evil Slayer

This whole game only works so long as everyone plays by the rules.
When Rule 308 gets invoked, having 8 orders of magnitude more opponents is not a winning position.


35 posted on 01/18/2013 6:54:28 AM PST by ctdonath2 (End of debate. Your move.)
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To: rarestia

Let us all pray that we never have to fight against any other Americans. I find comfort in knowing that I am NOT alone. GOD bless you brother... GOD bless us all.

LLS


36 posted on 01/18/2013 6:56:15 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Let us all pray that we never have to fight against any other Americans. I find comfort in knowing that I am NOT alone. GOD bless you brother... GOD bless us all.

We're gonna need his blessings. Bad days are coming our way.

37 posted on 01/18/2013 7:08:34 AM PST by piroque ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act")
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To: sergeantdave
“The only American example we have of what happens when the federal government declares war on its citizens is the Civil War when the army broke in two and we had a war.”

Have you forgotten WACO? After all, it was for the children!

38 posted on 01/18/2013 7:20:44 AM PST by paratrooper82 (82nd ABN Div. 1/508th BN "Fury From the Sky")
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To: LibLieSlayer
“Yes... like the 97% of Americans that bowed down to king george and refused to stand up against tyranny. Washington didn't need them and neither do we.
LLS”

Actually, 1/3 of Americans fought the King, Another 1/3 supported the King, and 1/3 simply did not care which way the war turned out!

39 posted on 01/18/2013 7:29:07 AM PST by paratrooper82 (82nd ABN Div. 1/508th BN "Fury From the Sky")
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To: Renegade

Tell the Afghan’s what? About the January [candle] Sale at IKEA? perhaps’ you do not understand what I meant.
Send a private msg.


40 posted on 01/18/2013 7:52:22 AM PST by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: Renegade

PM sent to you.


41 posted on 01/18/2013 7:58:39 AM PST by alphadog (2nd Bn. 3rd Marines, Vietnam, class of 68)
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To: piroque

I am praying every day.

LLS


42 posted on 01/18/2013 8:04:40 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"but the mass of cowardly group-thinkers who will do anything they are told to do is probably about as large as ever. That's bad."

I saw this behavior deeply embedded in corporate America. People are attracted by popularity and without a deep sense of right and wrong, lacking confidence in their own ability to overcome personal challenges, they rationalize compromising morales and justify following orders that benefit their own self interest.

43 posted on 01/18/2013 8:07:53 AM PST by uncommonsense (Conservatives believe what they see; Liberals see what they believe.)
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To: paratrooper82

Yes, that is why they were known as three percenters.

LLS


44 posted on 01/18/2013 8:13:33 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: listenhillary

Thanks, it came back :-)


45 posted on 01/18/2013 9:26:32 AM PST by NCjim (Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.)
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To: paratrooper82

“Have you forgotten WACO?”

Nope. I see Waco as a giant cluster flock by incompetent and gutless worms who were defeated and lost the initial battle. Most people forget that the ATF surrendered to the women and children guarding the church. The ATF tough guys walked away with their hands in the air 15 minutes into the firefight.

Because the ATF fat slobs had to call in tanks, snipers and criminals with poison gas to defeat women and children, some people are equating that with how tough the ATF is.

For me, Waco showed that the ATF is a clown posse that knows squat about combat. It also tells me that the ATF is nothing more than a neo-gestapo terrorist organization with a mission to terrorize and murder women and children.


46 posted on 01/18/2013 4:57:07 PM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: listenhillary
+1  to the former.
47 posted on 01/18/2013 5:06:59 PM PST by tomkat ( .. shall NOT be infringed)
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To: sergeantdave

Ditto that, Sarge.


48 posted on 01/18/2013 5:09:59 PM PST by tomkat ( .. shall NOT be infringed)
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To: Evil Slayer

Bttt.


49 posted on 01/18/2013 6:46:37 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (My greatest fear is that when I'm gone my wife will sell my guns for what I told her I paid for them)
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To: paratrooper82

50 posted on 01/25/2013 6:17:24 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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