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US representative calls for outlawing 3-D printed gun magazines.
NBC News Technology ^ | 1/19/13 | Devin Coldewey , NBC News

Posted on 01/19/2013 12:44:11 PM PST by Carriage Hill

U.S. Representative Steve Israel (D-Huntington, N.Y.) plans to propose a ban on creating gun magazines with 3-D printers. The bill is still in the drafting stage, but Israel intends to make sure existing legislation includes consideration for this new kind of homemade firearm.

Last month, Rep. Israel proposed to renew the Undetectable Firearms Act, which was adopted in 1988 and will expire in December of this year. Israel suggested that the act, which requires all guns to be detectable by such devices as X-ray machines and metal detectors, is more relevant than ever.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 3d; banglist; mags; newyork; printing
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To: lurk

It will start with registration and common sense ban on assault 3d printers.


21 posted on 01/19/2013 1:41:48 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Dan Cooper

IIRC, those printed plastic ‘springs’ didn’t last very long. And I think the feed lips also had some cracking problems.


22 posted on 01/19/2013 1:42:36 PM PST by Carriage Hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: Yo-Yo

That’s too sensible for the lib-dems; they want to regulate and tax it and the printers. I can see a Dept of Technology becoming a cabinet-level post, soon. Actually surprised we’re not there, already.


23 posted on 01/19/2013 1:45:39 PM PST by Carriage Hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: Renegade

FUSI!


24 posted on 01/19/2013 1:46:51 PM PST by Carriage Hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: Vince Ferrer

Points well-taken.

Your point #3 reminds me of the proliferation of “designer drugs” being mfg’d by simply changing a chemical formula, in someone’s garage lab, thereby getting around the DEA/FDA laws and causing them to scramble to pass new regs/laws.

Run, rabbit run!


25 posted on 01/19/2013 1:51:29 PM PST by Carriage Hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: VanDeKoik

There almost always is a way around something.


26 posted on 01/19/2013 1:52:54 PM PST by Carriage Hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: carriage_hill
What if you called it a 3D-printed toothpick dispenser instead?
27 posted on 01/19/2013 1:53:35 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: Dan Cooper
Plastic Springs
28 posted on 01/19/2013 1:58:14 PM PST by vbmoneyspender
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To: carriage_hill
Expect some sort of required, built-in software in all future 3-D printers that recognizes what you are trying to print and then refuses to complete the job (similar to the technology that keeps your printer from printing anything that looks like U.S. paper currency.)
29 posted on 01/19/2013 2:00:03 PM PST by GizmosAndGadgets (How Free Are You In America Today?)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

That moves it into the FDA/dental hygiene area now, and they’d be all over it like a cheap suit. Ban, or regulate and tax; it’s what the lib-dem do.


30 posted on 01/19/2013 2:01:10 PM PST by Carriage Hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: GizmosAndGadgets

“... keeps your printer from printing anything that looks like U.S. paper currency.”

They can do that now? Wow.


31 posted on 01/19/2013 2:20:58 PM PST by Carriage Hill (AR-10s/15s are the 21st Century's Muskets. Self-Defense is The First Human Right.)
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To: lurk
Isn’t the creation of undetectable stuff sort of...the point?

We’re just going to have to outlaw all 3D printers.

That was my thought, I thought the whole point to the 3D printing was to give people a way of always being able to get gun parts and and magazines if the Government bans them outright. Hence a ban on printing such devices would be rather superfluous...

32 posted on 01/19/2013 2:24:50 PM PST by apillar
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To: Dan Cooper
[Plastic magazines aren’t undetectable, they still need metal springs.]

And they'd be detectable when they were loaded. Unloaded they pose no danger.

33 posted on 01/19/2013 2:28:06 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: carriage_hill
Typical commie, this Israel guy imagines he can have a law passed that will stop technological advance.

The commies actually tried to hold back xerography. Fat lot of good that did them.

Fortunately R&D is pushing right ahead with ARMS ~

34 posted on 01/19/2013 2:36:15 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: carriage_hill

Steve’s a real nimrod he is! Just another in a long line of useless, pedantic, democrat asses desperate to get their names on any piece of legislation.


35 posted on 01/19/2013 2:37:37 PM PST by rex regnum insanit (falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus)
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To: Dan Cooper

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=plastic+springs+material&oq=plastic+springs&gs_l=hp.1.1.0l3j0i30.0.0.1.500.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.p5N_508x6VM&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.41248874,d.b2U&fp=e33da1aae51909f2&biw=1600&bih=778 ~ huge bunch of things about plastic springs.


36 posted on 01/19/2013 2:39:52 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Vince Ferrer
Back in the day when the Damascus barrel was top of the line all you needed was a small forge that could melt steel ~ an anvil with a rod for wrapping the steel around, and a 2 pound hammer.

Soon, you'll need an Android cellphone to use as your base, and some cheap plastic pipe to stuff small rockets with miniature guidance systems into ~

Those early armories looked a lot like livery stables with resident ironsmiths. The future armories will look a lot like a kid on a cellphone with plumbing parts.

37 posted on 01/19/2013 2:49:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Kozak
Actually since we have incredibly advanced and accurate targeting systems (right there inside the aps on your cellphone) we will go to miniature rockets ~ with limited range but intense accuracy. Toss in some green lasers and you will be carrying around the equivalent of a full Infantry platoon's worth of effective firepower ~ none of it visible or detectable by current technology.
38 posted on 01/19/2013 2:53:43 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: carriage_hill

Only a Demolshevik can read “unalienable rights” and think “but 63% say...”.

Only a Demolshevik can read “shall NOT be infringed” and think “let’s limit them to two or three bullets”.

These people treat the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution like toilet paper. They are the single greatest threat in the world to our liberty.


39 posted on 01/19/2013 2:56:11 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: carriage_hill
That had to do with the printing density ~ although your typical laser printer could really lay down some pixels, the federales simply required them to limit the density ~ but smart guys know how to overcome that ~ which is why the federales began adding a coded metalic thread to money.

I have an old friend who is undoubtedly working on that stumbling block ~ he has his counterfeiting convictions to prove his interest.

40 posted on 01/19/2013 2:57:19 PM PST by muawiyah
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