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Homeschooler's neighbor sparks social services case
WorldNetDaily ^ | Jan 20, 2013 | Alyssa Farah

Posted on 01/20/2013 9:49:27 AM PST by wesagain

A Colorado homeschooling mother has won a social-services case sparked by a neighbor’s complaint about the family that escalated when a social worker did a “drive-by” and concluded they were planning to flee.

A neighbor of the single mother, whose identity has been withheld to protect her family’s privacy, tipped off social services that the mother had been homeschooling several children, according to the Home School Legal Defense Association.

When an investigator arrived at her door in the fall of 2011, the mother immediately contacted the HSLDA, the nation’s premiere legal defense fund dedicated to parents’ right to home educate.

The mother was instructed by HSLDA attorney Mike Donnelly to ask the social worker to leave, and the social worker complied. But this was only the beginning of the mother’s ordeal.

The social worker did not close the case and continued to investigate the mother’s right to homeschool on the grounds that some of her children have learning disabilities that public schools would be better suited to handle.

Donnelly argued against social services’ assertion that a traditional school setting is better equipped to meet the needs of special-needs children.

“Many families homeschool their children who have learning disabilities because they find that the children’s needs are better met in a one-on-one homeschool .............

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: indoctrination; littleredschoolhouse; parentalrights; teachersunion
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From the gestapo......"Things took a turn for the worse when the social worker drove by the home and erroneously concluded that the family was attempting to the flee the state. Social services obtained a verbal order from the court to take the woman’s children into state custody pending a full investigation."
1 posted on 01/20/2013 9:49:35 AM PST by wesagain
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To: wesagain

Idiocy, simple idiocy.

Social service agencies have FAR too much power that needs to be curbed, drastically, if not done away with altogether and started from scratch.


2 posted on 01/20/2013 9:51:59 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: wesagain

Social workers ... hmmmm ... that is a fine profession <sarc


3 posted on 01/20/2013 9:55:25 AM PST by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe)
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To: wesagain

I couldn’t believe my eyes when I read about the “verbal order” to remove someone’s children from their home. Where is the signed Search Warrant? Does anyone know where in Colorado this happened?


4 posted on 01/20/2013 9:56:15 AM PST by Sioux-san
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To: wesagain

Since it is legal to home school in Colorado, there should have never been an issue.
I say the busy-body neighbor lied to cps.


5 posted on 01/20/2013 10:01:06 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: Sioux-san

It’s the federal Safe Families Act, not a criminal case. When they call it the “prosecutor” it is still not a criminal case. It is a huge, huge problem, because, for the most part, these “credentials” of “MSW” and other assorted initials possessed by these “social workers” represent no real accomplishments or expertise when it comes to families, it is just a huge welfare program giving unqualified people state “jobs” to represent the states’ parental interests in having the children be safe.

Oh, and if you are not a liberal Democrat, you can’t possibly qualify to do the work.


6 posted on 01/20/2013 10:03:54 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: wesagain
THIIIISSSSSS-s--sssss.....
............IS VERRRY DANGED SKEEERYYYY

Social services obtained...
....A VERBAL ORDER (?!?!???) from the court to take the woman’s children into state custody
.... pending a full investigation.

Where is the greater context of the 4th Amendment....
....If you can't be served /review/ contest a written warrant or complaint...

...BEFORE YOU TAKE SOMEONE'S CHILD INTO STATE CUSTODY.!!!!!

I can see a well-prepared parent/ family choosing to defend their home, their rights, and THEIR CHILD against this type of seizure on "verbal court order"....

FR Legal Eagles.... please enlighten & advise...

Sheeeeshhh...

Just wonderin'

7 posted on 01/20/2013 10:08:56 AM PST by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: wesagain

“neighbor of the single mother, whose identity has been withheld to protect her family’s privacy”

Its ok to spy on and rat out your neighbor, but then have the nerve to demand your OWN privacy???


8 posted on 01/20/2013 10:10:39 AM PST by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: yldstrk
People become surety for the debt by a number of different ways. One way is by a Birth Certificate when the baby's footprint is placed thereon before it touches the land. The certificate is recorded at a County Recorder, then sent to a Secretary of State which sends it to the Bureau of Census of the Commerce Department. This process converts a man's life, labor, and property to an asset of the US government when this person receives a benefit from the government such as a drivers license, food stamps, free mail delivery, etc. This person becomes a fictional persona in commerce. The Birth Certificate is an unrevealed "Trust Instrument" originally designed for the children of the newly freed black slaves after the 14th Amendment. The US has the ability to tax and regulate commerce.

http://www.usavsus.info/

9 posted on 01/20/2013 10:12:11 AM PST by B4Ranch (When democracy turns to tyranny, we still get to vote. We just won't use voting booths to do it.)
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To: wesagain

Family and Children services is the only government entity that is not bound by the constitution.


10 posted on 01/20/2013 10:28:30 AM PST by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: B4Ranch

I believe this is also the same process implied for registration of a vehicle. Its a title transfer via trust instrument. So legally we are all sold into servitude by our parents at birth. At gunpoint I might add.

The question to ask is how does someone op out of this contract?


11 posted on 01/20/2013 10:31:22 AM PST by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: metmom

Ping.


12 posted on 01/20/2013 10:35:40 AM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: wesagain
“This victory is important for all homeschooling parents, because it strengthens the idea that all children have the right to be homeschooled and the need for HSLDA,”

So....NOW can the nosey busy-body neighbor be identified?

13 posted on 01/20/2013 10:42:19 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Humans have eliminated natural selection. Morons are now a protected species. They breed and vote.)
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To: wesagain

home schooling is legal... flee the state? you mean .. move?


14 posted on 01/20/2013 10:51:18 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: wesagain

“When an investigator arrived at her door in the fall of 2011, the mother immediately contacted the HSLDA, the nation’s premiere legal defense fund dedicated to parents’ right to home educate.”

I love HSLDA, but this babe’s journalism is counterproductive - it sounds just like the New York Times gushing about Stalin, in the 1930s and 1940s.

She could just write: “...HSLDA, an organization that works to support homeschoolers...”

Anyway...no big deal.


15 posted on 01/20/2013 11:01:00 AM PST by BobL
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To: autumnraine
Family and Children services is the only government entity that is not bound by the constitution.

Ummm... are any government agencies bound by the Constitution?

16 posted on 01/20/2013 11:04:54 AM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: PJammers

Declare yourself sovereign and refuse to participate in their system. It’s a time consuming issue that many don’t wish to learn about.


17 posted on 01/20/2013 11:05:27 AM PST by B4Ranch (When democracy turns to tyranny, we still get to vote. We just won't use voting booths to do it.)
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To: PJammers
how does someone op out of this contract?

Ask Obama.

18 posted on 01/20/2013 11:12:30 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: BobL
I love HSLDA, but this babe’s journalism is counterproductive - it sounds just like the New York Times gushing about Stalin, in the 1930s and 1940s.

Noting counterproductive about it in the least.........

She could just write: “...HSLDA, an organization that works to support homeschoolers...”

Yes, she could - but THAT would be counterproductive.

This was is direct, and intentional, hit on HSLDA specifically and homeschoolers in general. While I do not appreciate how those of us who have kids in public school or work in them are often treated around here by some homeschoolers, even we know a direct attack when we see one. And this definitely fits in that category.

19 posted on 01/20/2013 11:16:51 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Social workers...

I've been known to remark that in the US we have both Social Democrats (communists) and National Socialists (Nazis).

A prime example of the latter are the evil DHHS witches.

20 posted on 01/20/2013 11:19:53 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month)
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To: Gabz; All

I was about to say that it was funny that the local FR teacher’s union hadn’t shown up with pitchforks and torches as they do for most homeschooling issue threads.

But the victim card is always a weapon of last resort.


21 posted on 01/20/2013 11:29:50 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: wesagain; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; adopt4Christ; Aggie Mama; ...

HOMESCHOOL PING

This ping list is for articles of interest to homeschoolers. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping List. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added or removed from either list, or both.

The keyword for the FREE REPUBLIC HOMESCHOOLERS’ FORUM is frhf.

22 posted on 01/20/2013 11:33:48 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: wesagain; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; adopt4Christ; Aggie Mama; ...

HOMESCHOOL PING

This ping list is for articles of interest to homeschoolers. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping List. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added or removed from either list, or both.

The keyword for the FREE REPUBLIC HOMESCHOOLERS’ FORUM is frhf.

23 posted on 01/20/2013 11:34:51 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: wesagain
Naturally, the incentive among the social worker tribe is to scoop up "special needs" students to reap a windfall of federal money.

Does a social worker have any incentive to reduce their workloads?

24 posted on 01/20/2013 11:35:37 AM PST by Prospero
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To: fattigermaster

What in heaven’s name are you talking about? I clearly stated this was a direct and intentional it piece (based on the journalist’s choice of words) against homescooling.

I don’t play the victim card, in fact I was the first person to comment on this thread and my only pitchforks in that post were for social workers...........


25 posted on 01/20/2013 11:35:37 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

“This was is direct, and intentional, hit on HSLDA specifically and homeschoolers in general.

You’re confusing me. Her last name is Farah...she’s got to be the daughter of the founder of WND...a legendary website.

I think that she was trying to play-up HSDLA...which is not necessary - as everyone that has anything to do with home schooling knows who they are. I’m just saying that it looks tacky.


26 posted on 01/20/2013 11:36:07 AM PST by BobL
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To: wesagain

And they are using taxpayers money to do this.


27 posted on 01/20/2013 11:36:34 AM PST by Essie
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To: BobL

You could be right, but “tacky” was not how I took it, nor did I take it as playing up to HSDLA. I thought the choice of wording was over the top and, obviously, could be taken the wrong way.

I could very well be wrong, and I truly hope you are correct, but over time I have just read far too many hit pieces on HSLDA and home schoolers and I’m a cynic, so it is possible I saw a hit where there wasn’t one.


28 posted on 01/20/2013 11:44:48 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: wesagain

“neighbor of the single mother, whose identity has been withheld to protect her family’s privacy”

Its ok to spy on and rat out your neighbor, but then have the nerve to demand your OWN privacy???


29 posted on 01/20/2013 11:45:16 AM PST by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: fattigermaster

“...the local FR teacher’s union”

HYSTERICAL!!!

You wouldn’t be, by any chance, referring to the “Amalgamated Teachers Local” ‘FRcom’” per chance. They are a nasty bunch and will do all they can to get you EXPELLED from this site if you say something as evil as kids don’t do quite as well in public schools in the US as in Singapore (i.e., where teachers are held accountable).


30 posted on 01/20/2013 11:46:45 AM PST by BobL
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To: Gabz

I said exactly what I meant, and you understood fully what I said. Ping your harpies if you wish, your game is boring.


31 posted on 01/20/2013 11:48:27 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: Gabz

If not for her last name, I might agree (Farah is not a common name...at least for non-terrorists). But I just think she was being overly supportive.


32 posted on 01/20/2013 11:49:20 AM PST by BobL
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To: BobL

I will stand corrected, then. No harm, no foul.

As I said, I’’m a cynic and anymore it is very easy to read more into something because so many groups and organizations created solely to protects rights are under constant attack, usually for made up reasons.


33 posted on 01/20/2013 11:52:53 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: fattigermaster

Aw, someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.


34 posted on 01/20/2013 11:54:58 AM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: wesagain

-— “Many families homeschool their children who have learning disabilities because they find that the children’s needs are better met in a one-on-one homeschool ——

Having a mildly autistic daghter who has been schooled and homeschooled, I can confirm this. No school has the resources for one-on-one instruction, or can provide a familiy’s love, fancy IEPs notwithstanding.


35 posted on 01/20/2013 11:57:22 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: B4Ranch

Gordon Kahl, is that you?


36 posted on 01/20/2013 12:03:55 PM PST by Melas (u)
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To: Gabz

Oh, well played. Do share your victory with your coven.


37 posted on 01/20/2013 12:05:40 PM PST by fattigermaster
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To: ObozoMustGo2012
Its ok to spy on and rat out your neighbor, but then have the nerve to demand your OWN privacy???

I know. Expect more of these "busybodies" as govt intrudes more and more into our everyday lives.
38 posted on 01/20/2013 12:06:41 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Gabz

“I will stand corrected, then. No harm, no foul...as I said, I’’m a cynic...”

Very fair. Being a cynic today is PERFECTLY UNDERSTANDABLE, considering what we have to deal with.


39 posted on 01/20/2013 12:21:12 PM PST by BobL
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To: Gabz
Dear Gabz,

This is why homeschoolers can get a little... testy around here in education threads.

Not too many public school parents have been threatened with jail, kidnapping of their children by the state, loss of parental rights, for the great crime of teaching their children.

Many, many homeschoolers, myself included, have been so threatened. Homeschoolers must often deal, in person, under threat of sanction, with the jackals of public education.

Homeschoolers deserve, at minimum, one order of magnitude of leeway in terms of rhetorical excess when discussing educational issues with non-homeschoolers.


sitetest

40 posted on 01/20/2013 12:24:04 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
My older Democrat neighbor once informed me that his generation had worked very hard to assure the success of the public school system, that my children were high achievers, and that to ensure the continued success of the system I should send my children to public school.

I didn't know where to begin answering him. It was a moment before I could think to close my mouth.

41 posted on 01/20/2013 12:34:57 PM PST by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: B4Ranch

what?


42 posted on 01/20/2013 1:25:25 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012

the identity of the “reporter” is protected by confidentiality statutes.


43 posted on 01/20/2013 1:26:47 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: sitetest

Dear sitetest,

I understand a little testy, and have been giving leeway toward homes schoolers on these threads for years, as have most of the others who have been called (at various times) evil, child abusers, witches, harpies, and a host of other inflammatory names (I only listed the nicer ones.) Heaven forbid, however we are to be granted even the slightest bit of common courtesy in return.

It has gone beyond time where a bit of respect should have been granted in return. For pete’s sake, I was attacked on this thread, WHILE I was defending the home schoolers. I’m sorry to say, but there seems to be a contingent of alleged home school supporters on FR that are hell bent on giving the rest of you a really bad name. I don’t know when open season on those of us with ties to public schools began, but it sure is obvious there are some here who fell free to call others anything they so choose and to make up any kind of facts and figures without proof of any of it.

Of course many of them are fairly new to this site and thus should be given a bit of a chance to understand how discourse and discussion take place - but they have all been here long enough to understand rules of common courtesy - something extremely lacking in the faction to which I refer.

While it is unfortunate you have had to deal with such jackals in public education in your life, I have yet to see any of them on these threads - the only jackals I have seen on these threads come from your side -— which is not good for what otherwise is a very worthy cause.

Have a peasant afternoon. (GO RAVENS)


44 posted on 01/20/2013 1:33:46 PM PST by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Wings-n-Wind

Listen, it is bad, very bad. When the social workers from children’s services come to take the kids, the kids are screaming, the parents are crying, and the worst part is that the kids can easily end up in foster care that is abusive. If there is a family friend or grandparent that can get there asap, children’s services may do a kinship placement. Then there is a 72 hour meeting, then there is a hearing a “protective custody” hearing where often the legal custody of the children is transferred to the state for “appropriate placement” It is all very quick and technical and you have to get an attorney that is familiar with it or you may be in deep trouble.

The parent then has to do EVERYTHING the social services agency demands, whether it is a hair test for drug use, a psychological evaluation (which you can easily pass if you act calm and not emotional), “parenting” classes, intensive in home services, nutrition classes, and show up to all your court dates, act calm.

Always let the social services into your house, which should have a bed for every child, (even if you do the family bed thing) tons of food in the cupboards and fridge, toys, books, tables, paper and colored pencils, you get the drift.

The house has to have running utilities, clean sheets and pillows, no dog poop on the floor, no evidence of illegal drug use and be reasonably neat and clean.

once all this is checked out, you will be on your way shortly.


45 posted on 01/20/2013 1:38:18 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: wesagain

I was contacted by a clever, concerned neighbor about me homeschooling my son.

He is a liberal lawyer and called me under the pretext of having a friend who was thinking about homeschooling. He had questioned my son about be out of herdschool, walking the dog earlier in the week.

The first thing I told him was to have his “friend” become a member of the Homeschool’s defense lawyers group so in case anyone decided to harrass them, they would be protected.

It was a short conversation.


46 posted on 01/20/2013 1:51:45 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: wesagain

If someone wants an entire lowdown on a similar case from Omaha, NE, freep mail me. Invasive big govt, tried to take my grandchildren in 2008.

This goes on everyday and most folks are scared to death to talk about it publicly for fear they will lose their children faster. A case worker is allowed by law TO LIE to parents. I heard a judge say this.


47 posted on 01/20/2013 1:57:49 PM PST by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: yldstrk

The corporate government system requires:
Registration of babies, cars, real estate and guns.
Means to bring them into the corporate registrar.
Then becomes the property of the corporate government, and that is why they can take them at any time.


48 posted on 01/20/2013 2:20:46 PM PST by B4Ranch (When democracy turns to tyranny, we still get to vote. We just won't use voting booths to do it.)
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To: wesagain

How does a single mom support herself without a job?


49 posted on 01/20/2013 2:24:06 PM PST by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: B4Ranch

I do not agree with your assessment. People are not property. You seem bright. Maybe you should go to law school and then you could help fight the battle. The word and terms you are using make little sense.


50 posted on 01/20/2013 2:45:00 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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