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A Question for "conservatives" (Zot!)

Posted on 01/25/2013 8:05:16 AM PST by The_Freemason

I have a serious question for the "conservatives" on here. Why do you assume the GOP is conservative and why do you continue to support them? In he past 10 years the GOP has done nothing to prove they are a conservative alternative to the leftist democrats. They crow about fiscal restraint but GWB pushed the national debt to 10 trillion( don't throw out the Obama raised it 16, we know and it's not an answer). He started wars without congressional approval, gave us the TSA, Patriot act, warrantless wiretaps, drones flying over the country. Expanded medicare the list goes on. The current GOP is on the same bandwagon but does the same as the D's do. The GOP complains that the D's want a nanny state but they are no less intrusive. It's just that they want to control and determine your morals and values. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS, Please.

The GOP claims to be for smaller gov't and personal freedom but I haven't seen either. If you truly believe in these ideals, IMHO the GOP is lying to you. I have been a Libertarian member for years. Only the LP actually believes in the idea of leaving you alone to live your life as YOU see fit. The LP would cut the budget into balance TODAY not 10 years from now (aka NEVER).

Maybe if more "conservatives" would stop worrying about what I ingest, who I marry and the like and examine what their party represents there could be a sea change in the country with 2 true competing visions for America. One based on free people, free minds and free markets and one based on planned markets, less freedom.

Ok, discuss amongst yourselves.


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To: JustSayNoToNannies
You [the pro-drug crowd] says government doesn’t have the right or power one way or the other

Wrong as usual - what government has no right to make illegal, it has a positive obligation to keep legal.

Let me rephrase that (with no change in intended meaning): Government has the power to ban drugs - because it obviously has done so - but does not have the right or authority to do so, but it does have the right and authority and power to lift that ban, which is what I call on it to do.

181 posted on 01/25/2013 1:38:15 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

No, not wrong.
How would it be rescinded except by the exercise of authority TO rescind?
You’re saying that it doesn’t have the authority to begin with.
If not, then it wouldn’t have the authority to rescind either.
Then what happens?
It is still an exercise of government authority.
And you’re still appealing to them to legalize.
You still have not explained how you think that works in light of your position that they don’t have the authority.
It is illogical and contradictory to appeal to the government to legalize drugs if you believe they don’t have thw power to do so one way or the other.


182 posted on 01/25/2013 1:38:45 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: fattigermaster

She says that what used to be a dime bag of marijuana is now selling in Whatcom County for $300.00.


183 posted on 01/25/2013 1:39:45 PM PST by Eva
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Talking to yourself is a sign of impending mental collapse.

Goodnight, I have to go to work.


184 posted on 01/25/2013 1:39:52 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Darksheare
You [the pro-drug crowd] says government doesn’t have the right or power one way or the other

Wrong as usual - what government has no right to make illegal, it has a positive obligation to keep legal.

Let me rephrase that (with no change in intended meaning): Government has the power to ban drugs - because it obviously has done so - but does not have the right or authority to do so, but it does have the right and authority and power to lift that ban, which is what I call on it to do.

Talking to yourself is a sign of impending mental collapse.

Goodnight, I have to go to work.

My rephrasing yanked Darksheare's word games out from under him, so he's tossing an insult over his shoulder while fleeing. So like a Drug Warrior.

185 posted on 01/25/2013 1:42:59 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

No matter how often you say I am wrong, you are STILL appealing to government power to do “something.”

I see that it bothers you to point that out.


186 posted on 01/25/2013 1:44:15 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

It’s not worth wasting your time with this freak.


187 posted on 01/25/2013 1:44:23 PM PST by fattigermaster
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To: Darksheare
if you believe they don’t have thw power to do so one way or the other.

That is not and never has been my position, as I explain in post #181.

188 posted on 01/25/2013 1:44:23 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: Darksheare
Government has the power to ban drugs - because it obviously has done so - but does not have the right or authority to do so, but it does have the right and authority and power to lift that ban, which is what I call on it to do.

you are STILL appealing to government power to do “something.”

Yes, to lift a ban that it had no right or authority to impose. What of it?

189 posted on 01/25/2013 1:46:01 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: fattigermaster
When I'm satisfied that no remotely sane or intelligent person could think he had a valid point, I'll sign off.
190 posted on 01/25/2013 1:47:25 PM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: editor-surveyor

Bull FR was all in for Bush in 99! JimRob included! Huge purge in 99. Ask the Pat B folks, I was a big Steve Forbes supporter and I still am.


191 posted on 01/25/2013 2:58:34 PM PST by jpsb
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To: jpsb

You’ve really forgotten the “I won’t vote for that Coke addict” days?

Selective memory?

At the end, yes we held our noses and went for W; we always do, huh?


192 posted on 01/25/2013 3:06:29 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Bush vrs Al Gore, no brainer, but Steve Forbes was was a much better choice.


193 posted on 01/25/2013 3:14:12 PM PST by jpsb
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Didn’t want to answer the other question, huh?


194 posted on 01/25/2013 4:18:49 PM PST by EricT. (The Second Amendment is Tyrant Control.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

So all those new federal agencies, departments, budget deficits, and new entitlements showed up under Republican presidents because the Senate wasn’t filibuster proof?

Good grief.


195 posted on 01/25/2013 4:22:46 PM PST by EricT. (The Second Amendment is Tyrant Control.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

Right now they are legal. (Booze and tobacco) Seems to me the answer is not to heap more problems on society by legalizing drugs. We don’t need drugs laying around for kids to have easier access to than they already do. If we keep accelerating the problems the liberals are always happy to have another crisis program to launder money through. Legalize abortion and promote it and then give them tax dollars for the poors abortion then the abotion industry donates to the Democrat party. Same with unions.
I guess the best way that works to get rid of poor behavior is to tax it out of easy reach, but then it is the government that receives it.
My point is that giving up and legalizing any dangerous behavior only leads to new laws and taxes societal problems. It is the nature of the world to tend toward chaos and self destruction, but I’d like to stop it or slow it down, somehow.


196 posted on 01/25/2013 6:48:11 PM PST by spudville
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To: EricT.

You debate like a liberal child, pulling little quotelets out of context and thinking you made a big point. I can never overcome your ignorance.


197 posted on 01/25/2013 8:16:24 PM PST by C. Edmund Wright
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To: The_Freemason; jazusamo; humblegunner; darkwing104; 50mm; Arrowhead1952; LUV W; Eaker; Old Sarge; ..

So long, The_Freemason (Posting History)
Hat Tip to jazusamo
Arrogant "libertarian" troublemaker advocates perversion and drugs, and ends up a pile of smoking meat and ashes



"Libertarian" does not mean "Libertine"



FReepmail TheOldLady to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list.

198 posted on 01/25/2013 8:40:58 PM PST by TheOldLady
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To: cripplecreek

That’s it! I’m quitting my job! I miss out on everything! A liberaltarian gets the ZOT! and I missed it.

:(


199 posted on 01/25/2013 8:47:20 PM PST by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: TheOldLady

Serves him right for impersonating a conservative! Kitties weren’t happy! :)


200 posted on 01/25/2013 8:51:16 PM PST by luvie (All my heroes wear camos!)
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