That's what they said about this...
...before Tommy Daschle and his fellow kleptocrats "existed" it.
Just sayin'.
Posted on 01/29/2013 12:09:58 AM PST by neverdem
The existence of these extralegal alphabet agencies is one of the gravest threats to our nation. What’s to stop them from “mandating” that all citrus be grown with loudspeakers playing classical music if they want? Answer: nothing. Anything that puts their dictatorial balls in a vice is a good thing in my book. BTW, Elana Kagen loves ‘em, since they allow the executive to do an end-run around any sort of oversight.
Good.
The occasional blow for sanity in this country is welcome indeed.
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Gun Control: A Failed American Experiment (The United States has had gun control from its founding)
Proof the Left Wants All Guns Outlawed
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The existence of these extralegal alphabet agencies is one of the gravest threats to our nation. WOW
I’m considering stealing and adapting as a new tag line . With your approval, of course.
If the EPA demands fuel be made from Gossamer Wings, Unicorn Horn, Dragon Teeth, or the Eye of Newt -- so be it. COMPLY your GREEDY Corporatists. It's 'for the children'!!!
[so let it be written, so let it be done]
“But if those plants falter, it could send an already troubled industry reeling.”
The dirty little secret is that there is no “industry”. This whole farce from pseudo companies to all the “science” backing it up is due to billions of dollars of taxpayer subsidies.
No where in the world does this “industry” exist. It is unicorn glitter encased in a sno-globe up on a bookshelf for all to admire, but worthless in its entirety.
Bush made a mistake in this initiative. Obama insists on doubling down on stupid. Its what government does best.
Actually he didn't make a "mistake." Since anyone with an IQ higher than room temperature knows ethanol as a fuel is a fraud, and Bush is smarter than that, he knew it was all smoke and mirrors from the get go - but it put taxpayer dollars in the pockets of some big Republican backers and THAT was the goal.
“..No where in the world does this “industry” exist...”
Actually, it does. BP has a R&D/demonstration cellulosic ethanol plant that uses baggasse waste from the local sugar cane farming in SW Louisiana. It’s located just east of Jennings, LA on Hwy. 90 on the west bank of the Mermentau River. Google Map: 30.200333,-92.598451 and that is it. As far as I know, they’ve never made any ethanol for commercial usage. It’s all been a huge R&D effort for the past several years. BP was planning on using the technology developed from this R&D plant to construct commercial plants in several areas. One in Florida and another in east Texas. The one in Florida was supposedly pretty much under construction. However, I’ve heard recent rumors that are going to quench all the biofuels effort. BTW, if you think it’s tough to get a gallon of gas out of crude oil, try getting a gallon of ethanol out of baggasse. It’s way more costly and time-consuming. Don’t ask me how I know....lol
Thanks for the ping!
This actually supports my claim - the demo plants are built either with subsidies or for tax breaks. Because not a drop of cellulosic ethanol has been produced confirms that there is no “industry”. There is “effort” driven by tax dollars, but no industry.
I’m familiar with the cellulosic ethanol yields from the Texas A&M pilot plant. The results are consistent throughout.
I’ll assume you might mean corn ethanol? There is a huge difference between fermenting grain sugars and trying to ferment the breakdown products of cellulose.
The extralegal alphabet agencies are Obama’s tools for aggravating Whitey. Obama is laughing at us all, as he destroys our industries.
[There is a huge difference between fermenting grain sugars and trying to ferment the breakdown products of cellulose.]
Will that make a difference to the grifters who will profit from constructing the fiasco?
I expect it will be as profitable a boondoggle as Ethanol is... to some.
There is a difference. Let’s at least agree that ethanol is a liquid fuel that can be used in a diluted state in internal combustion engines. It has a lot of problems, but it is a fuel.
Ethanol is a profitable product of grain fermentation when the DDGS are part of the economic equation. The main problem is that it is still being heavily subsidized.
“Cellulosic ethanol” is a scam. The yield of ethanol is miniscule to barely existent, and there are no useful co-products. The more ethanol on the market, the cheaper it becomes and the more important co-products become.
Between cost of feedstock production, transportation, storage, processing, fermentation, and storage, there is no equation that will bring the process into the black. It is a scam of monumental proportions.
>>“Cellulosic ethanol” is a scam.
I get the impression from the neighbors of some folks who’ve been conned into literally betting the Farm on Tommy Daschle’s Ethanol bidness that Corn ethanol is a scam too.
It certainly would not be profitable without subsidization AND government mandate for its consumption.
Yeah, it is hard to come up with a firm market value for the EtOH if there was not a mandate. The market value for DDGS is based on its nutritional content, but prices are low due to the flood on the market.
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