Skip to comments.New super PAC hopes to give cover to pro-immigration Republicans (Bush, Romney, Rove RINOS)
Posted on 01/29/2013 4:58:08 AM PST by jimbo123
Prominent Republicans are launching a new super PAC they hope will help begin repairing the political damage left by years of anti-illegal-immigrant rhetoric that has dominated GOP primaries and alienated crucial Hispanic voters.
The organization, to be called Republicans for Immigration Reform, aims to undermine what organizers call the extremists who have pushed party nominees to stake out far-right positions such as opposing a pathway to legalization for millions of illegal workers, students and children.
Spies said the new PAC will most likely favor whatever immigration plans are backed by House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) and Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.),
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Karl rove and Big Ag and National grocery chains trying to destroy the USA !
Actually letting a writer use the term "illegal immigrant" is going to cost someone their job.
Actually letting a writer use the term "illegal immigrant" is going to cost someone their job.
Charlie Spies sounds dangerous,
he ran that PAC accusing Romney's rivals of supporting amnesty, now he is joining this PAC to get Rs in congress to support amnesty in a bill.
Prominent republicans had better get used to the idea that they will get elected to squat if they continue to ignore their base. The illegals will never vote for them, as Senator McAmnesty how it worked out for him to be carrying their water for years and have them totally bury him at the polls.
Well, this is one of those times ~ it apparently is the case that the purpose off the GOP-e is to keep unemployment high and wages and salaries low. This last election they looked around and saw entirely too many compassionate and serious minded Conservatives prepared to knock them out of their leadership roles This enticed one of their own kind, Romney, another rich guy who actually supports homosexual orgies to come out and run ~ his son says he didn't really want to win, but it's pretty clear now he simply wanted to move all those bothersome traditional moralists aside.
We really do need to act on this and DISPOSE of the GOP-e immediately.
Note, this ties into the problems at the BSA National Council ~ there the same rich guys in the background of the GOP-e ambition to keep our young people unemployed are behind turning the pedophiles loose on the Boy Scout local councils around the country.
OK, for the sake of argument let’s say they actually bring in some money with these pro-illegal alien PACS, but where do they think they are going to get the actual voters to support their pro-illegal RINO candidates?
Here are the House RINOs most likely to vote with Boner and RATS for Amnesty:
Lou Barletta (R-Pa.), Dan Benishek (R-Mich.), Jeff Denham (R-Calif.), Chris Gibson (R-N.Y.), Michael Grimm (R-N.Y.), Richard Hanna (R-N.Y.), Joe Heck (R-Nev.), Jamie Herrera Beutler (R-Wash.), Bill Johnson (R-Ohio), Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.), Tom Marino (R-Pa.), Tom Meehan (R-Pa.), Kristi Noem (R-S.D.), Tom Reed (R-N.Y.), Reid Ribble (R-Wis.), John Runyan (R-N.J.), Steve Womack (R-Ark.).Rodney Alexander (R-La.), John Boehner (R-Ohio), Kevin Brady (R-Texas), Vern Buchanan (R-Fla.), Kevin Calvert (R-Calif.), Dave Camp (R-Mich.), Howard Coble (R-N.C.), Tom Cole (R-Okla.), Anders Crenshaw (R-Fla.), Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), Lincoln Diaz-Balart (R-Fla.), Mike Fitzpatrick (R-Pa.), Jeff Fortenberry (R-Neb.), Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-N.J.),Jim Gerlach (R-Pa.), Peter King (R-N.Y.), Jon Kline (R-Minn.), Leonard Lance (R-N.J.), Bob Latta (R-Ohio), Frank LoBiondo (R-N.J.), Frank Lucas (R-Okla), Blaine Luetkemeyer (R-Mo), Buck McKeon (R-Ca), Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-Wash.), Candice Miller (R-Mich.), Gary Miller (R-Calif.), Tim Murphy (R-Pa.), Joe Pitts (R-Pa.), Todd Platts (R-Pa.), Dave Reichert (R-Wash.), Hal Rogers (R-Ky.), Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Calif.), Ed Royce (R-Calif.), Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), Aaron Schock (R-Ill.), Bud Schuster (R-Pa.), John Shimkus (R-Ill.), Mike Simpson (R-Idaho), Chris Smith (R-N.J.), Lamar Smith (R-Texas), Steve Stivers (R-Ohio), Glenn Thompson (R-Pa.), Mac Thornberry (R-Ga.), Pat Tiberi (R-Ohio), Fred Upton (R-Mich.), Greg Walden (R-Ore.), Bill Young (R-Fla.), Don Young (R-Alaska).
Conservatism is a disease, according to these people.
There may be a firing over at the Compost over telling the truth !
Jeb Bush and Rove with there bought off hacks like Rubio and Grahamnasty !
We need to primary grahamnasty,
Cantor, and Ryan .
Grahamnasty is the most destructive K st crook of them all .
"McCains message was obvious, the source continued: After bucking his party on immigration, he had no sympathy for Hispanics who are dissatisfied with President Obamas pace on the issue. He threw out [the words] You people you people made your choice. You made your choice during the election, the source said. It was almost as if [he was saying] Youre cut off! We felt very uncomfortable when we walked away from the meeting because of that.
I will call the fl offices except that Diaz crony !
He is all but a Dem .
A big problem here are businesses that want to employ illegals, but not citizens. They want to do so because illegals are cheaper, do not get seniority or promotion, and are often willing to give kickbacks for their job.
Oddly enough, and bite my tongue for saying it, but Obama’s two pronged approach, if repulsive, will probably get the best result.
That is, throw all the effort into capturing and deporting the criminal offender illegals, instead of all illegals, and offer the fully integrated illegals some means to stay here legally, for a while, with work permits.
The reason this will get the best results is first of all, the criminal illegals cause a LOT more trouble than the non-criminal illegals. In his shoes, I would build special prisons just north of the border, to “outprocess” them back to Mexico at a rate the Mexican government can handle, to try and keep them from immediately joining the cartels. These prisons would be in an “international border area”, so would not be subject to a lot of interference by lawyers.
They cannot be just thrown across the border, or they will turn around and come right back or heat up the drug wars, so they would need to be put on a “con-air” flight to southern Mexico. To Mexican prisons that can slowly “inprocess” them for release in Mexico.
As far as work permits for young Mexicans that are fully integrated, this also is a good idea, for the simple reason that they are already “de facto” Americans, just not “de jure” Americans. They were raised and educated in the US, and Mexico is a foreign country to them. So allowing them to stay until they are adults and can take care of themselves makes sense. Otherwise deporting them is intolerably cruel.
The most important reason that these two techniques are best right now is because there are lots of swinish people in authority who make millions off the status quo, and want no change, but pretend to be opposed to illegal aliens so they can interfere with there being *any* conclusion to this mess.
If they can be overcome, US emigration needs serious reforms, to permit achieving citizenship once someone is in the US, that does not take 10 or 20 years, and is once again “quota” based, since immigrants are not equal in what they can offer the US, and we have zero need to import uneducated, primitive peoples.
We had 16 announced candidates. Only 3 of them were lifelong Conservative Republicans. The other 13 were, in some cases, not even Republicans, or they had Democrat histories including being elected to office as Democrats, or making major donations to Democrat candidates! Some had been Democrat campaign workers.
The subtle element was simple ~ discounting the 3 conservatives, all of them getting a good 22 to 30 percent of the total vote in primaries, we had that one Leftwingtard and he got barely 20% ~ he would have looked bad in any primary where he faced only the three real Conservatives. Instead, there were always those 'others' pulling in 1% to 12% or so, and they made his 20% look Good to the uninformed.
In fact, it made him look like he was up there with the three real Conservatives.
Some of our major donors are not really well practiced in the nuances of REAL Republican party politics. Romney's top 5 donors all have questionable or weak connections with Republican rank and file folks. See for yourself:
1. Sheldon Adelson
2. Harold Simmons
3. Bob J. Perry
4. Robert Rowling,
5. William Koch
Several of them appear to have bought into Romney's own unicorn which is, lo and behold, that there's an undecided middle 10% of undecided voter to be gotten in a campaign. Actually, there's no middle, and the purpose of the campaign is to get your own followers out to vote! You even have to say bad things about the opponent ~ hoping against hope itself that some of his followers will skip over his name or stay home. Obama lost 4 million voters ~ and I am sure more were to be had.
Your average Chinese, or Hindu is going to give you a similar answer.
For a Mexican raised in the USA, a visit to his own home country of Mexico is simply not going to seem very different at all.
The GOP-e, at most, gets out 15% of the vote ~ they can be disposed of and replaced with currently unregistered Republican voters. There are 90 million adult Americans who don’t vote. Time to bring them on board, and without the GOP-e we should be able to do that.
I disagree completely. A large number of young children were brought to the US in their infancy, have no experience of Mexico at all, no remaining relations in Mexico, and speak almost exclusively English.
Skin color is utterly meaningless in this debate, for example taking a white American high school student and putting them in Russia, with a hearty, you’ll be fine, Russians are white people, too. They would be utterly lost, and would fall prey to the first villain they encountered.
Add to this that many families are mixed, with some illegal and some US citizens. I have known several such families, where grandparents, parents and children are illegal or legal with no rhyme or reason. Often citizens know minimal English, were educated or not in Mexico, and are entirely “old world”, where their illegal grandchildren speak English fluently, attended school in the US, and are wholly integrated.
It would be incredibly cruel to deport integrated people to what for them is a foreign country, splitting up families, taking children away from their parents and vice versa. There has to be a better way.
Those kids have an advantage over all of us ~ they grew up in households where people spoke Spanish and talked about Mexico and it's quaint folkways!
SEND THEM BACK HOME!
Wow, a whole day. Imagine if you had gone there by yourself, knew nobody, didn’t speak Spanish very well, and had to live there for a year or more, without help, or a whole lot of money.
You don’t even have, nor can probably afford, a room for the night. You would be desperate to get back to the US in any way you could, because you would otherwise be dead or a slave within a month.
You can’t “send them home” when here is their home. The only home they’ve ever known. Me, I’m not into brutalizing children. I’m willing to look at some alternative to doing that.
you have a strawman argument with little foundation. those kids grow up in mexican families and they hear spanish all the time ~ they are not without knowledge.
odds are good they ALL have relatives somewhere there.
obviously we should be deporting them along with grandma, grandpa, mom, dad, brothers and sisters ~ cousins, aunts, uncles ~ the whole crowd.
they want to be here, time to get in line.
Remember, these kids are not like WWII refugees ~ they, in fact, have citizenship somewhere ~ and if it's mexico, that's the world's 8th largest economy. there are well over 100 other countries in this world which are guaranteed to be far worse places to be.
Sounds like a great challenge, for you. Give it a month, and try to keep it under $500. Granted you will need a passport to go there and come back. You should have a blast.
But remember, you have no transportation, and you’re in something of a war zone, so be careful not to get kidnapped. No fair getting help from the US embassy, either, though if you can bum off your fellow Americans that is fine.
As you say, you’ve been in nastier places. Well, so have I, though I didn’t have fun like you did. But just take a month there, and then you’ll have some credibility with kicking those damned dirty kids back to where they came from, when they were two or three years old.
Remember, your life won’t be any good until theirs is a whole lot worse.
The kids aren't going to be deported by themselves ~ they have relatives here who are just as illegal ~ SEND THEM TOGETHER!
Let them drive there in their own motor vehicles. Give them some time to unload their real estate and other property.
I am not bigoted against Mexico. You are bigoted against Mexicans. What you have been proclaiming is basically ethnic cleansing, and while I have tried to be diplomatic about it, it is increasingly offensive.
These are individual human beings we are talking about, not “them” as opposed to “us”. Please stop.
So, you have it backwards. The Mexicans are engaged in ethnic cleansing ~ we need to put a stop to it.
Hispanics still don’t vote Republican even though Reagan gave illegals amnesty.
Greed must make people really stupid.
I have seen Guiterrez on tv numerous times discussing immigration but I have never seen him have an honest, balanced, open discussion of illegal immigration. It is always a closed panel and the audience is also closed to opposing views. And this guy has the nerve to keep calling us the “extremists”. Let them eat cake, Guiterrez.
...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said. [Rand Paul: Time for GOP to soften war stance Posted on 01/31/2013 5:08:50 PM PST]