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The black market for unskilled, low cost migrant work is a consequence of the minimum wage and Welfare state. There is nothing that can be done about it without reforming those two things.
1 posted on 01/30/2013 4:23:17 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen

I’ll go with what Mark Levin had to say last night.
‘Chacnes are good no plan will be approved by Congress.’
That’s my guess as well.


2 posted on 01/30/2013 4:28:07 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: IbJensen

This author misses the point, I dont care if they want to come here to work but we cant afford them :

1) on government handouts, will they make the 47% the 55%?
2) Voting

What tax rates will they pay?


3 posted on 01/30/2013 4:34:56 AM PST by sickoflibs (Losing to Dems and Obama is not a principle! Its just losing.)
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To: IbJensen

“Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.”

A very true statement.

Regan gave blanket amnesty to illegals during his term and the result up to now is that millions more have come to this country because they were certain that another major amnesty would be granted in the future...and here it is!

Now, we repeat history again and after this amnesty many more millions will come across the border in order to be in place for them in the next 20 years or so.

Amnesty is simply WRONG! It is a “kick in the teeth” for those who played by the rules of legal citizenship in our country and those who are still in the legal immigration “pipeline.”

However, with the Brave New World Society, who plays by the rules anyway? That stupid old Constitution is nothing more than an outdated rule book and should be either thrown away or changed so that all may be happy and not weighted down by law. The morality of our society has already been destroyed so what the hell...........


4 posted on 01/30/2013 4:41:39 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: IbJensen

Erickson, McCain, Graham, Rubio/Flake are not Conservatives in any sense, they are the worst sort of Republicans, worthless appeasers and should be run out of office or in Erickson’s case ridiculed as a fat fraud!


5 posted on 01/30/2013 4:42:29 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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“It does nothing to deal with the long delays in the present immigration system. It does nothing to actually solve our immigration problems,..”

Why are there long delays? Could it be too many people are being let in, and we need to reduce the number of immigrants we let in to the country.

As to solving our immigration problems, it is simple: cut back on the number of immigrants let in, and vary the nations so not one nation or area of the world dominates.

This will allow new immigrants to assimilate rather than congregate in a region and drive out other races or ethnic groups, as is happening right now in southern California.

Sometimes the common sense route is right there in front of us and with a track record (as it has been done before here in this nation). What we have to avoid is doing a politically driven reform unsupported by the majority of citizens.


6 posted on 01/30/2013 4:43:23 AM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: IbJensen

Why is Rubio aligning himself with the McCain, Grahamnesty, Schumer, Menendez, Durbin criminal gang?

There cannot possibly be anything good behind this.


12 posted on 01/30/2013 5:37:37 AM PST by iowamark
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There is NO incentive whatsoever for illegals to step forward and grab their citizenship reward, unless it is to head out to vote.

The "rights" illegals enjoy as "undocumented migrants" are far too many to give up:

If using stolen ID, citizens can be found guilty of a felony, illegal aliens are not;

Other such crimes are not punished equally for citizens and non-citizens;

As for other government benefits, housing, food stamps, etc. illegal aliens seem to be doing quite well in that category already, healthcare is free now, dittos education for the kiddies, especially in the states that grant driver's licenses to illegal aliens for the DMV is where one also signs up for those benefits at the same time.

Lastly, as to those pesky voting "rights," all one needs is a driver's license, dittos voting, i.e. "Motor/Votor Laws!"

14 posted on 01/30/2013 5:51:36 AM PST by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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Fix legal immigration and cut off welfare benefits for illegals. Then go to a Swiss style system of citizenship. Problem solved in three steps.

http://www.bfm.admin.ch/content/bfm/en/home/themen/buergerrecht/einbuergerung/ordentliche_einbuergerung.html


15 posted on 01/30/2013 5:52:13 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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Any plan that does not include E-Verify is a fake plan.


17 posted on 01/30/2013 5:58:02 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (TYRANNY: When the people fear the politicians. LIBERTY: When the politicians fear the people.)
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To: IbJensen

Anything the grand zero likes is bad for America.


19 posted on 01/30/2013 6:00:42 AM PST by huldah1776
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To: IbJensen

The only thing that is clear to me in all this is that Obama does not give a rat’s arse about Mexican illegals or what happens to them. He only wants this as a wedge issue to destroy the Republican Party.


22 posted on 01/30/2013 6:20:02 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: IbJensen
I think it is CRITICAL that an Immigration Reform Package be put forth by Congress and that it have a Republican face on it and Marco Rubio’s is the best one to put there.

Obama WILL put forward his OWN, flawed and defective plan. We MUST lay ours out there FIRST.

Having said that, a secure border is NOT an impossibility. The Israelis have done it and the Russians did it - over a much longer border.

“Guest Worker” programs are POISON. They create a permanent underclass of hostile, unassimilable ethnic enclaves with no investment in the American dream. There should be NO SHORTAGE of people WANTING and WILLING to come here to work and become Americans. That has ALWAYS been OUR model, NOT the flawed European adventure with the damn Muslims.

The “Guest Worker” program is a special sop to business interests which helped create this mess in the first place by deliberately recruiting and importing illegals.

ANY Immigration Reform package needs to address the children of illegals raised here who consider themselves American citizens - we can't deport them, the American Public would never stand for a mass Elian Gonzalez scenario.

Any Immigration Reform package must expedite processing of new citizens.

Any Immigration Reform package must mandate fluency in English.

Any Immigration Reform package should ELIMINATE “dual citizenship”.

Any Immigration Reform Package MUST impose draconian penalties on future illegals.

Any Immigration Reform Package MUST impose draconian penalties on any business which knowingly hires or recruits illegals.

Any Immigration Reform Package MUST eliminate “refuge cities”.

Any Immigration Reform Package must BAR future illegals from ANY benefits under American social support systems.

Any Immigration Reform Package MUST bar any but immediate emergency medical care to future illegals.

Any Immigration Reform Package MUST carry penalties for other countries which actively aid and abet violations of our immigration laws.

24 posted on 01/30/2013 7:16:28 AM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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